A player sent us a correction regarding yesterday’s article on GoonSwarm Federation’s Thundercat.

Hi Riverini,

The CFC uses 10mn AB Tengus (PL Fit), not 100mn AB Tengus.

He was also kind enough to submit the following videos depicting de carnage:

ThunderCats Perspective:

Alphafleet Perspective:

Cool stuff.

– R


  1. Allah Akbar

    lol Well done CFC finally learnt how to fly Tengus,althoug garanteed 90% of them will be T1 fit with lv3 Subsystems.
    At the same time though 1500+ blobs of Tengus & Meals is going to be impossible to counter unless NC. BL. PL. Evoke + more team up,all those noobs cannot be beat with just a couple of quality pvp alliances now.
    Sad day for Eve =(

    June 22, 2012 at 3:10 pm Reply
    1. Boy star

      Nah, we'll blast them down so many times their skill points go to negative.

      June 22, 2012 at 3:30 pm Reply
      1. Cedarbridge

        Obviously the CFC Tengu losses were massive in that battle there.

        June 24, 2012 at 11:00 am Reply
    2. ugodown

      how many times nc. or bl somes with muninns or zealots fights against drakes and it's all fine, but when cfc reships to tengus it's a terrible disaster

      June 22, 2012 at 3:53 pm Reply
    3. sadfs

      What are you talking about? The average goon has at least one fully skilled tengu-botting-alt )))

      June 22, 2012 at 4:01 pm Reply
    4. Bagehi

      I'm sorry, what? Do you realize how many goons have been playing since around 2005? There are a lot of high sp characters in goons.

      June 22, 2012 at 4:18 pm Reply
      1. Enochia Starr

        10 is not a lot Bagehi. All the pilots are terrible, they may have high skill points but they will still get killed time and time again.

        June 22, 2012 at 4:59 pm Reply
        1. Bagehi

          Yes, because goons are all terrible at this game, can barely fly rifters, only PVE, control half the map, manipulate all the markets, don't have any supers, have half the supers in the game, don't have any isk, control all the technetium, are hated by CCP, and control CCP.

          I'm going to have to invest in a tinfoil hat one of these days to understand the logic of the goon-tinfoil-hattery, because the tinfoil all seems contradictory.

          June 22, 2012 at 5:15 pm Reply
          1. reba

            Nobody bothers to question what they hear from their friends.. they just repeat it as if it's fact, just like with rl politics.

            June 22, 2012 at 6:21 pm
          2. Allah Akbar

            Yes 95% of cfc is terrible, they usually speaking get raped against decent alliances unless they have more than 3 to 1 odds, that's been proven time an again, but what will never change is the fact that they have strength through numbers not quality of pilots. You can give a noob a 150mill sp pilot, but will not be able to take the noob out of the equation, you put that scrub up against a dude in PL. NC. BL. Etc with half the skill points an that scrub will get raped. This is generally speaking for the huge majority of cfc pilots.

            June 23, 2012 at 12:27 am
          3. Hench

            Hahaha I can't even begin to understand your logic here. It's legitimately funny.

            June 23, 2012 at 2:19 am
          4. Lorren

            It's below us to even try

            June 23, 2012 at 2:54 am
          5. R U Sitting Quietly?

            No big surprise there, you're a Goon. Makes perfect sense to me, let me spell it out for you.

            Who would win in a cruiser fight:
            a 3 years deep player playing on a 2 month old character,
            a 2 months deep player playing on a 3 year old character?

            If you chose the 2 months deep player I'm afraid it suggests that you don't have the first clue on how to actually fly any of your ships.

            June 23, 2012 at 9:31 am
          6. TestGruntBestGrunt

            The 1 month old player playing on a 1 month old character.

            Oh, sorry. I stand corrected:

            The one thousands 1 month old players playing one thousands 1 month old character.

            What you ~elitepvp~ I'm-better-than-you-so-I-should-win fail to understand is that this is a Massively Multiplayer Online RPG. You pull out the Massively Multiplayer from the equation, requiring every pilot of yours to have 50M SP, a personal carrier and a couple jewing alts, and you will always be curbstomped by the thousand idiots steamrolling your elite skills.

            You are too few to compete. This game is about massive numbers. Your (objectively superior) skills are no match for the real goal of the endgame: huge battles with huge numbers, filling the icelandic pockets.

            A balanced cruiser fight may be something for the Alliance Tournament, but if you look for it in a (truly) MMORPG, then your analyst did a dirt poor job.

            June 23, 2012 at 1:04 pm
          7. derrrrrrp

            What did he train for three years?

            Mining and industry?

            If so a two month combat toon will crush his face and swim in his ocean of tears.

            Also, time in game doesn't mean you know how to play it well.

            June 23, 2012 at 5:20 pm
          8. Lorren

            Fucking golden

            June 23, 2012 at 2:54 am
          9. Qwerty4812

            they'll control the tinfoil market soon

            June 23, 2012 at 3:57 am
        2. Lorren

          You do realize the best blackops pilots in the game, EO are goons? (yes they're in pl now, but they're still goons)

          June 22, 2012 at 7:14 pm Reply
    5. A_Southerner

      Goonswarm Leadership is not stupid. It has been several years now and their playerbase has enough 15-20 mil SP toons now to support running these kinds of fleets. They have used perma MWD drake fleets until their playerbase could use tengus. They used Alpha Canes until their playerbase could use Alpha Maels. Goonswarm is a very clever opponent. You can never underestimate what their leadership is cooking up. Their leadership are the chess masters, their FCs the Kings and Queens, their grunts the pawns.
      It seems now their grunts are no longer the pawns, but the bishops and knights. Soon, we may see their entire fleets based around another more complex doctrine ( sentry carriers perhaps ) but they have shown an almost linear progression in terms of their fleet doctrines from my experience fighting them.

      June 22, 2012 at 5:19 pm Reply
      1. Scar

        This thought pattern is the exact thought pattern that leads to defeat for those who fight goons. You're remembering the goons of 2007/2008 and not the goons of today. Sure back in the day Goons were noobs, and counted on noob fleet doctrines to win fights, but today Goons have just as many skillpoints at the core as any other alliance. What sets Goons apart though is the constant influx of noobie pilots to keep the lower mid-end sp pilots there for when the vets burnout. Alliances like NCdot/PL and the like slowly burn through the higher vet pilots and their fleets over the course of months/years shrink until the alliance die from lack of participation.

        June 22, 2012 at 5:26 pm Reply
        1. lol

          yet still use massive swarms of noobs to win fights…

          June 22, 2012 at 6:45 pm Reply
          1. herpderp

            If it aint broke, dont fix it

            June 22, 2012 at 7:36 pm
          2. Scar

            If this is such a simple task maybe the other side should do it to. Only problem is the variety of other sides are too busy being greedy, in-fighting, or one of a million other reasons to form any sort of resistance against the CFC.

            June 22, 2012 at 10:44 pm
          3. Lorren

            Or they're too damn elitist to allow newbros

            June 23, 2012 at 2:53 am
          4. hurr durr

            Or they dont want a huge napfest

            June 27, 2012 at 12:20 am
          5. cfc ally

            there are different ways to "win" this game. one is to have a very good leadership, dont dont piss off your grunts and your allys and let new players in. this way you are able to form big blobs and keep them motivated. this is what goons do.

            goons let in lot of (highly motivated) noobs. they are the ones who login and form full fleets in 10minutes after a jabber ping. not the old bitter vets. i cant understand whats wrong in beeing a new player. why do ppl thinknew players are not worth to participate in what this game is all about: pvp ?

            if alliances are whining that they are not able to form big blobs they should think about their social skills, their deplomatics and their attitude towards newer players. you should not blame anyone but yourselfes if you are too 1337 to have fun in this game.

            June 23, 2012 at 10:27 am
          6. Easterner

            This is pretty much the way to win eve. 1000 okay pilots in alliance fit ships is better than 200 elite ones if you're going for sov warfare.

            June 24, 2012 at 5:56 am
      2. Blazingbunny

        Finally and enemy we have that isn't all, "goons r bad" and all that stupid shit. May we have gf's in the future.

        June 22, 2012 at 9:47 pm Reply
        1. with love from S2N!

          There will never be gfs with Goonswarm when spawning 1500 man fleets.

          June 25, 2012 at 8:41 am Reply
      3. Max

        And the Goons are the Most. MODEST. Alliance. EVAH!!!!

        June 22, 2012 at 9:51 pm Reply
    6. guest

      DrakeVoke will handle it. They've got enough money left for suiciding carebears in Maelstroms since they backstabbed Raiden. and saved all the precious Tech.

      June 22, 2012 at 6:23 pm Reply
      1. mad guest

        u mad?

        June 22, 2012 at 8:10 pm Reply
      2. Truthseeker

        So, being reset by Raiden is backstabbing them?

        And all they had to defend their tech was the biggest Supercapfleet in the game. Poor them.

        June 24, 2012 at 11:01 am Reply
    7. msnmsnsn

      PL is pets of goons learn that and eve opens up

      June 22, 2012 at 7:06 pm Reply
      1. Marcus_McTavish

        Of course, Non-Invasive-Pact = Butt-buddies, like the non-GSF CFC alliances.

        Right now there are the following groups:
        1: CFC (GSF and Pets)
        2: PL + Test
        3: Solar Fleet
        4: NC. + BL + Evoke
        5: AAA + ROL
        6: S2N? (They might go with AAA though)
        7: Misc. New North-Eastern Alliances

        Those are the big groups that you hear about a lot. Notice how PL and Test are crashing on Nulli's couch, yea, they can fight by themselves. They dont need 500 drakes to win, or tengus as the case may now be.

        June 22, 2012 at 9:30 pm Reply
        1. TestGruntBestGrunt

          Add 5 and 6 together, please.

          Ah, throw RA+pets in the sum, too.

          June 23, 2012 at 12:54 pm Reply
    8. Scar

      People talk as if flying a max skilled Tengu is hard. From 0 to sitting in a Tengu is 70ish days. From there to being decent is another 30 or so days. Since most people are not starting at 0 flying an ok Tengu with level 4 subs is probably a month or so at most. Organization is the hard part and Goons are nothing if not organized. Forming 5 full fleets and actually being able to use them effectively requires organization regardless of what people think of the CFC.

      June 22, 2012 at 10:49 pm Reply
    9. Imigo

      GUaranteed, you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

      June 26, 2012 at 2:21 am Reply
  2. CFC Grunt

    No alliance reimbursment for underskilled pilots and fail fits, fyi. And since we're being paid like 500M for each tengu loss, the incentive to do stuff right is more than enough.

    June 22, 2012 at 3:27 pm Reply
    1. Chef

      Paid as in over what a new tengu costs

      June 22, 2012 at 5:03 pm Reply
      1. reba

        ur maths r bad

        June 22, 2012 at 6:19 pm Reply
    2. -A- FC

      Being paid isk for ship loss is not good, getting ship subsystem and required faction kit is the only way to avoid issues long term, cause you will lose them.

      Looking forward to goon tengus getting bombed for the first time due to FC failure and the whining can begin (Ill bring the cheese and the void bombs).

      Fully active fit tengus.. with a 10mn AB.. what could go wrong …LOL

      June 22, 2012 at 7:25 pm Reply
      1. Eas_

        Yea you think they would learn from the bombing runs you guys lost 100+ tengus to.

        June 22, 2012 at 11:37 pm Reply
      2. somedude

        i assume you mean active hardners? if not youre a hopeless scrub. well you are anyway since you thinkk void bombs work…..

        June 23, 2012 at 2:44 am Reply
        1. Lorren

          void bombs work, but he's still retarded as are you

          June 23, 2012 at 2:47 am Reply
          1. somedude

            void bombs are hopeless against tengus, fine youll nuke the cap but it'll have recharged before you're hardners cycle

            June 23, 2012 at 10:08 am
      3. Lorren

        Being from -A- you should know about loosing Tengus since it is Makalu and -A- who holds the record for lost Tengus (123 in a day).

        And oh yes, tell us more about passive 100mn Chickencats that literally suck in every way except in the one area -A- excels at – which is of course running away.

        June 23, 2012 at 2:49 am Reply
    3. fuck goons

      if only they had thought of this months ago they wouldn't have cried to CCP for months to nerf supers and titans, guess its a good thing considering they already field 200-300 dreads soon enough it would have been supers, now nobody wants em.

      June 22, 2012 at 7:29 pm Reply
  3. Gentlegoon

    Bummed I wasn't in on this. Keep firing Assholes!

    June 22, 2012 at 3:53 pm Reply
  4. FCON Troll

    I bet your are also surprised when the CFC comes at you with 250 strong Cap fleet. You think they spend all that tech money on booze and hookers?

    June 22, 2012 at 4:49 pm Reply
    1. lol

      part of it, yes

      June 22, 2012 at 6:20 pm Reply
  5. oHnOES

    A fleet of Tengus, their Maelstroms and usually support will own, CFC can have their wicked way with however they want.

    BL and formidable fighting force was squashed by sheer numbers, and nc.dot and evoke make arrangements such as the OTEC crap, Why coz CFC would and could take all the tech if they wanted too, but to keep their CFC hoards happy, nice to have someone close by to shoot.

    Just keep to the NiP OTEC deal, as we see fit.

    Mittani I salute you dear Lord and my saviour.

    June 22, 2012 at 5:02 pm Reply
    1. NullSecNoob

      Indeed it was smart of Mittani to bring the other tech alliances together. It creates a mutual support network, it gives the appearance of not hoarding (all) the Tech, and they get to set the prices. If you are non-OTECH would you sell your tech at 50% or 25% of what they are asking? No cause you would makes less isk, so you set your price the same.

      Mittani is Hitler, no Goebbels, no Goring, no Fritz Thyssen yeah that's the ticket.

      June 22, 2012 at 8:53 pm Reply
      1. Hur


        June 23, 2012 at 5:48 am Reply
  6. Somedude

    Tengu's so 2011 😛

    June 22, 2012 at 5:24 pm Reply
  7. Gumpin

    In under 60 days you can go from nobody new guy to low sp tengu pilot if that is all you train. Technically TEST could field these.

    Just sayin.

    June 22, 2012 at 5:39 pm Reply
    1. Lorren

      m8 we already loose a tengu a day to wheniaminspaaaaaaaaaaaaaace

      June 22, 2012 at 7:19 pm Reply
      1. Lorren

        or those damn serpentis guys

        June 22, 2012 at 7:19 pm Reply
        1. Gumpin

          okay? Thank you for proving that even TEST has tengus?

          June 22, 2012 at 7:33 pm Reply
          1. hnnnnnng

            Even TEST? What? We could field a tengu fleet too if we had a reason to.

            June 23, 2012 at 2:24 am
          2. Gumpin

            way to not read my initial comment saying that TEST could field tengus if they wanted to?

            Are you two just shit poasting for a highscore?

            June 23, 2012 at 5:41 am
  8. test suck

    How do you get your broadcasts to come out ontop of the overview list?

    June 22, 2012 at 5:50 pm Reply
  9. Anonamouse

    I find it tiresome to see so many Goonswarm entitled articles that should actualy be CFC. Goonswarm sure get a lot of praise for CFC actions, lets just look at the fleet comp of the above battle.

    Pilot Numbers :

    Fatal Ascension9234%
    Goonswarm Federation8130%

    Tengu breakdown.

    Goonswarm Federation2937%

    FA, who get ragged on a lot, provided more people but Goonswarm clearly provided the most tengu pilots but still only a meagre 37% – i would have listed the other alliances but this chat box wouldnt post the message with them all.

    When people realise that Goonswarm are nothing without the CFC and in turn the CFC is nothing without Goonswarm, it will be a glorious day in eve.

    June 22, 2012 at 6:59 pm Reply
    1. Lorren

      If the cfc died tomorrow the GSF would still be arguably the strongest alliance in the game. The only thing lost would be numbers and the GSF has easily pulled 500+ dudes when it needs to. TEST+Goons would be a powerbloc all on their own.

      June 22, 2012 at 7:18 pm Reply
    2. Gumpin

      What does FA not want to be a second banana to the swarm and test anymore?

      Would match the pattern of all their neighbors winding up getting a sudden beat down.

      Only neighbor left is the swarm?

      June 22, 2012 at 7:35 pm Reply
      1. Poastin Toaster

        Because FA sucks. They left their "let do this alone" campaign and ended up in Venal helping the rest of the CFC.

        June 22, 2012 at 8:37 pm Reply
    3. shutupOuFACE

      Yo we know who wags the tail, if you don't like it move on..

      I guess not?

      June 22, 2012 at 11:58 pm Reply
  10. Skill Yourself

    Had the tengu just not all the skill reqs so i missed out : (

    June 22, 2012 at 7:46 pm Reply
  11. Shiny!

    From my perspective, like them or hate them Goons are a formidable force regardless of what anyone thinks the pilots that fly under the banner of the CFC are a serious threat to those who oppose them.

    BUT EvE is a harsh place, even the most formidable enemy can be beaten, I am very much looking forward to a force capable of countering the Goons, and when that happens I hope you will all join me with my popcorn =)

    June 22, 2012 at 7:47 pm Reply
    1. Random CFC Grunt

      I sure will, will be flying my scimi as well.

      June 22, 2012 at 7:52 pm Reply
  12. Poastin Toaster

    Sorry fell asleep during the first one. I fail to see why this is news worthy. 300 people vs. 90 isnt very exciting to watch and pretty much proves the fact that the CFC cannot do anything on their own.

    June 22, 2012 at 8:33 pm Reply
    1. uhhh

      Why should they, and who does…

      June 23, 2012 at 12:07 am Reply
  13. Marcus_McTavish

    A drake costs like 80-90 million isk to fit and rig.
    A Tengu costs like 600 million.

    Goons are going to be careful with this fleet concept at first, because one 25 tengu reimbursments is one tech moon. An entire Tengu Fleet Whelped, that would be a heavy loss, plus the massive shitposting that would follow would cripple morale.

    Goons have the combination of a leader that can motivate large numbers of players to follow their every command, and have the brains to think and take advantage of parts of the game.

    Honestly if it was just Goons it would be fine and fun, its the supper-pubbie-swagger-shitposting-pets that piss me off.

    June 22, 2012 at 9:37 pm Reply
    1. Blazingbunny

      I agree with the first part about cost, but not the second about morale. You can't crush goon morale. Not possible.

      June 22, 2012 at 9:42 pm Reply
      1. Max

        >You can't crush goon morale. Not possible.

        * Above comment only applicable when Goon leadership pays its bills on time.

        June 22, 2012 at 9:48 pm Reply
  14. T3 user

    Tengus are amazing ships, but considering that a single tengu loss is equal to 10 drake kills if not faction fitted, would it be a wise move to field in massive fleets where alpha is king?

    But I suppose perhaps when you have a whole fleet of them you'll pretty much curbstomp the same number of lower class ships.

    June 22, 2012 at 11:18 pm Reply
    1. Hench

      Tengus cost 1b when not faction fitted? TIL

      June 23, 2012 at 2:22 am Reply
      1. lol

        where the hell are you buying your tengus from?

        June 23, 2012 at 5:08 am Reply
    2. Lorren

      Tengu cost effectiveness has increased since the drone regions changes which is a major reason behind the switch.

      June 23, 2012 at 2:51 am Reply
    3. The Observer

      Cost doesn't really matter, to be frank. Especially when you're making tens of billions a month just from tech moons. And if the FW exploit is true, goons may have 100% SRP for them, so the ISK argument is kind of moot. The SP loss is also moot, as in one week, you can have your skills back up again to where they were.

      June 23, 2012 at 2:55 am Reply
    4. Easterner

      It would matter in a long, drawn out conflict but goons can easily cover day-to-day tengu losses in eve's current climate.

      June 24, 2012 at 6:02 am Reply
  15. CFC

    VFK by February

    June 23, 2012 at 12:41 am Reply
  16. anonymous

    Instead of posting 2 articles on how goons finally started flying tech 3's can you please try to find us some information on what is going on in the East and write an article about that?

    June 23, 2012 at 1:38 am Reply
    1. somedude

      Solar are renting out systems, renter pubbies are renting them and irc are in the corner being terrible. Same old same old.

      June 23, 2012 at 2:38 am Reply
      1. anonymous

        Well if you Eve News would write about it you would know there is a major war going on over there between Solar and friends vs Nc./Evoke which all started with that nc. carrier welp that they also didn't post about.

        June 23, 2012 at 3:38 pm Reply
  17. Goony Montana

    What you lookin' at? You all a bunch of fuckin' assholes. You know why? You don't have the guts to be what you wanna be? You need people like me. You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." So… what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie. Me, I don't have that problem. Me, I always tell the truth. Even when I lie. So say good night to the bad guy! Come on. The last time you gonna see a bad guy like this again, let me tell you. Come on. Make way for the bad guy. There's a bad guy comin' through! Better get outta his way!

    June 24, 2012 at 12:32 am Reply
  18. Iwish

    Lokis (possible being worked on Legion) and Proteus 2012.

    All these bad boys toys are great as long as it not you who we gets called primary and have to train what ever skillset you lost. To rejoin fleet. Look-ward to cheap fit counter that small/cheap guy can use

    June 25, 2012 at 1:54 pm Reply
  19. some goon

    You're still calling them Thundercats.

    June 27, 2012 at 4:41 pm Reply

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