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Jester’s Trek: Quote of the Week – Taking EVE too seriously

I’m gonna do a theme QOTW this week, because it was too hard to pick just one.  Instead, I’m going to do a theme: “people who take EVE too seriously.”

Our first candidate is a response to the Alliance Tournament X drama that I wrote about last week.  Writing about that drama, Tyrus Tenebros on FHC says:

I guess if the tournament has turned in to who can produce the most tears through metagaming, I’m going to say so far we’re looking at CCP Victor.

Hydra cries more than a ganked hulk pilot.

And if you read the EVE Online forum threads I linked last week, you know this to be true.  But if you want to see even more examples, look no farther than the Intigo and Duncan posts on the FHC thread in question.  Because there’s lots and lots to be found.  So, they’re my first candidates for people who take EVE too seriously.

My second candidate for people who take EVE too seriously is Oddball Six.  Oddball managed to lose a Hulk and a pod in Hulkageddon yesterday.  The Hulk was a terribad fit.  The pod was a +5 implant pod with all the trimmings.  Oddball could have taken the least interest in EVE’s meta game enough to stay informed about Hulkageddon and staying docked during it.  Oddball could have been actually sitting by his keyboard so as to avoid losing his pod when his ship was destroyed.  Oddball could have even been philosophical about his loss and gone on with his life.  He chose none of those options.  Instead, he wrote a small novel badly arguing for his play-style at the expense of all other play-styles.  Among the :words: of the novel was this interesting quote…

I petition CCP to consider the policy and natural violations that the inaction to date represent, and also suggest a system of natural Consequences which may be of use in curbing such competitions like ‘hulkageddon’ – or at least limit them to the low- and null-sec systems where they belong.

Uhhh… OK.  Oddball seems to argue that Hulkageddon is somehow a violation of the EULA/TOS and then argues for the removal of high-sec ganking from the game.

Funnily enough, my third candidate for people who take EVE too seriously is Oddball’s killer, Kaeda Maxwell.  Now of course, in the discussion between gankers and ganked, I’m going to take the position of the gankers every time.  Managing risk and occasionally getting blown up when you fail to do that or are simply unlucky is part of EVE and if you don’t want to deal with it, there are other MMOs out there.  Still, I’m not sure Oddball’s rant deserved a step-by-step explanation of how he died and a justification for it.  But in case you’re interested in such things, Kaeda obviously took a great deal of time to provide it.

You don’t however see me going onto the forums and writing some wall of text quoting the EULA to try and get CCP to remove mining from the sandbox because I don’t consider it fun or entertaining, I’d appreciate it if you’d at least consider providing us ‘griefers’ the same courtesy.

That’s probably more thought than Oddball’s post deserves, but it’s quite fun to read Kaeda’s defense of the “griefer” play-style.  Kaeda’s an extremely infrequent blogger, but the last few posts have gone into quite a lot of detail backing the points in the EVE-O post if you’re interested…

Finally, I’d be remiss in a post about “taking EVE too seriously” if I didn’t point to this interesting article at IGN.  It’s a terrific outsider’s perspective on the insane asylum that we’re all spending so much time in.  Amusingly, the author manages to make pretty much every EVE player sound insane.  Even more amusingly, CCP roundly promoted the piece on Twitter and  Facebook, and it’ll probably be pointed to in the next EVE Newsletter even though it makes all of us sound insane!  Writing about Fanfest, the author says…

Once a day, the CEO of CCP Hilmar Petursson stands up and gives keynote speeches in front of this massive audience, addressing players about the forthcoming changes and improvements to the game and the future vision of the company, and (almost) everything he says is met with eruptions of delighted cheering. At one point, during one of these presentations, people were literally cheering an image of a floating rock.

Emphasis mine.  So the fourth candidate for “people who take EVE too seriously” is all the rest of us.  😉

And yeah, I include myself.  How could I not?

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  1. seany1212

    How can you create a report complaining how one guy told another to go play another game because he didnt like the fact pvp was everywhere and then you create this one containing whines of the week. Your entire last report should get first place.

    May 29, 2012 at 5:44 pm Reply
    1. The Observer
      May 29, 2012 at 8:12 pm Reply
      1. The Observer

        sry, forget that. damn copy pasta…

        more like this http://i.imgur.com/phOcC.gif

        May 29, 2012 at 8:13 pm Reply
    2. M1k3y

      Suicide ganking isn't really "PvP"

      Its more, DIE YOU MINER DIE!!! Like sitting on a gate in a smartbomb Rokh popping all the pods, not really PVP unless they can shoot back imo.

      May 29, 2012 at 8:28 pm Reply
      1. the REAL pvp

        PVP means Player versus Player, it doesnt mean player versus player who can fight back. So saying something where player shoots another player is not real pvp, is just stupid.

        May 30, 2012 at 2:02 pm Reply
  2. CareBearStares

    Serious bidness.

    May 29, 2012 at 5:45 pm Reply
  3. "Internet spaceships are serious business"

    May 29, 2012 at 6:07 pm Reply
  4. Anon

    I don't think the Hydra thing is an example of taking Eve too seriously. The Alliance Tournament is a major Eve-wide event, and they have been among the best competitors in it for several years now.

    For Hydra, being kicked out of the tournament is sort of like Goonswarm being told they can't run Hulkageddon or PL being told they can't hot-drop people's capitals – it totally robs them of one of their greatest pleasures in the game.

    Whether or not they are rule-breakers, and I think it's very debatable, I think that CCP's handling of their situation would make anyone in their situation mad. They pretty much are being punished this year for last-year's behavior, and their email to CCP took forever to get replied to even though Red v.s. Blue was able to get an answer (and solution) to their situation in a couple days.

    May 29, 2012 at 6:09 pm Reply
    1. The Observer

      Not debatable, they admitted it and are now crying because CCP actually took action against them for cheating. Also, nothing is new here. If a team in a REAL sport is caught doing something after the fact, there are usually repercussions for the next season (See NCAA University of Kentucky basketball)

      May 29, 2012 at 6:39 pm Reply
      1. Karbox Delacroix

        They admitted to what? Not breaking the rules last year or seeking clarification and getting a positive response this year?

        May 29, 2012 at 6:59 pm Reply
      2. Anon

        All they admitted to doing was sharing a corp on SISI because they were practicing together and it made things much easier.

        They asked for permission to do that ahead of time, but since CCP didn't reply to the email, they asked a GM in-game who ended up being clueless and giving them a false sense of permission.

        Red v.s. Blue is FAR MORE of single entity than Hydra and Outbreak, but yet they were able to get an answer from CCP, who gladly helped them work out a solution. Why couldn't CCP reply to Hydra and Outbreak with a yes/no answer to their question, let alone the kind of customized solution they made for RvB?

        It's plain and simple retaliation for what they did last year, which was completely within the rules that year.

        May 29, 2012 at 9:18 pm Reply
      3. Smarter than you.

        There are plenty of sports were this happens regularly. Formula 1 being a prime example where a driver will concede his position to another driver for the sake of championship points. They compete as indviduals but are essientially one team. Go figure.

        May 30, 2012 at 1:13 am Reply
    2. Cerneus


      May 29, 2012 at 7:26 pm Reply
    3. .M.

      Hydra should have been told they couldn't take part in AT10 the moment they ruined AT9's final. The community would have stood behind ccp.

      May 29, 2012 at 7:44 pm Reply
  5. SgtSimons

    nerd rage = best rage!

    May 29, 2012 at 6:22 pm Reply
    1. The Observer

      Eve tears; Best tears

      May 29, 2012 at 6:33 pm Reply
      1. German giggles, best giggles… B)

        May 29, 2012 at 7:31 pm Reply
        1. M1k3y

          Ductape, best tape.

          May 29, 2012 at 8:27 pm Reply
          1. bringer'

            Fag Fleet Best Fleet

            May 30, 2012 at 12:52 am
  6. unsatisfied reader

    BLoggers that take blogging too seriously….

    May 29, 2012 at 7:13 pm Reply
  7. David_Star

    The FHC thread Jester refers to is pretty epic and oh, so full of tears…..

    May 29, 2012 at 8:37 pm Reply
  8. Random Miner

    Even I don't argue that gankings should be impossible…. I actually get fun out of tanking my hulks to 43k, and enjoy the anticipation when a neg 10 pilot enters the system. The increase in prices are also cool obviously :)
    I just often feel for buddies who don't have the skills yet to tank for shit and can barely afford to replace much of anything. I have seen players come and go becasue these events, I just want it to be a little harder to do. For the noobs yall!

    May 29, 2012 at 10:20 pm Reply
    1. Devore

      Why would you feel for them? Whatever happened to EVE rule #1: don't fly what you cannot afford to lose. Newbs who farm isk them immediately buy their Hulk or BS as soon as they can scrounge up the funds, then fit it terribly, and invariably lose it (either in Hulkageddon or in a mission), and come crying for justice? Yeah, it's too bad they leave the game, but then again would they have been happy in the long term playing it? Better to find out you're bad at something before you invest too much into it.

      May 30, 2012 at 2:01 am Reply
      1. Random Miner

        i never cried for justice. why so serious?

        May 30, 2012 at 2:10 am Reply
  9. Habib

    Let me condense this article for your pleasure.
    [youtube hTOKJTRHMdw&hd=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTOKJTRHMdw&hd=1 youtube]

    May 30, 2012 at 12:41 am Reply
  10. Oddball

    Goonswarm has just declared war on Oddball's corp

    That is all

    May 30, 2012 at 7:09 am Reply
    1. K-A


      May 30, 2012 at 11:37 pm Reply
  11. taimoposo

    nice nice..

    February 23, 2013 at 9:46 am Reply

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