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Drama began to rear its ugly head yesterday, after the first 32 teams were drawn for the tournament.  If you were brave (or foolhardy) enough to have jumped into the comments section on the E-O forums, you will have seen the complaints about how many “unknown” teams making it, while “known” teams did not.  There are a few more threads about variations on this theme on the forums.  Some purged, some locked, some still ongoing.

Two hours ago, Sreegs posted this.  Highlights from his post include the title of the post:

Teams Removed From Competition

In the wake of the universally disliked final battle of AT9:

CCP Sreegs bluntly stated that AT10 would not allow B, C, etc teams.  True to his word, the space police have cracked down on this practice.  Sreegs, on the topic of Hydra/Outbreak, said the following:

It was widely known after the finals last year that Hydra Reloaded and Outbreak. had worked together as a single unit in order to game the competition. It was our hope that they would take their winnings and enter this year’s tournament as separate entities without having to consider a replay of last year. They are both individually highly competitive teams and when they are working in their own interests they are among the best. Unfortunately Hydra and Outbreak are working from the same playbook as last year, practicing together in a single corporation on the test server in a single wormhole. We view them as they represent themselves, which mirrors how they represented themselves last year, as a single entity. For that reason they are barred from competition having entered the tournament masquerading as two units while functioning in reality as one.

So, Hydra and Outbreak will NOT be participating in AT10.  I’m sure they were on thin ice after last year, and may have been of the opinion that the threat was without teeth.  Sreegs wasn’t having any of that.  Sreegs wasn’t done though.  The question had been asked “where is PL?”  and he laid out some condemnation for them as well:

YOUR VOTES DON’T COUNT is an alliance consisting of a holding corporation and Sniggwaffe, which is widely known as the farm team for Sniggerdly. This is a fact which they openly admit. Unfortunately given that fact, and given the fact that the team captain and CEO bounce regularly between or have alts in Pandemic Legion, we cannot consider them anything other than a B team for Pandemic Legion and as such have to remove them from eligibility for competition.

Not exactly sure how to interpret that.  It seems like PL will still be allowed to bid in the auction for a spot, and only VOTES will be removed as a viable candidate.  Sreegs closed it out with a warning that HE IS WATCHING:

I also want to note that we will be continuing these investigations throughout the tournament and there may at later stages be teams that choose to game the system. Should that occur we will edit this thread and include additional information related to their removal.

So, the current banned list is:

Hydra Reloaded
Outbreak.
YOUR VOTES DON’T COUNT

Fast forward to now.  The auction has begun.  The first bid was pushed all the way up to 46 PLEX for a slot.  That’s nearly 21 billion isk.  This is turning out to be a rather hotly contested competition… and the competition hasn’t even begun yet.  Hopefully the tournament lives up to the drama.

Bagehi – eating popcorn & reading tears

EDIT: Garmon responded before the thread was locked. Turns out they had sent in petitions asking if they could train together and were given approval from a GM. PL and the Waffles also had sent in petitions asking if they could both try to get spots in the tournament. Goons and Test also asked by petition if they could train on SISI against each other. CCP was silent for a while and left everyone to argue it out. CCP Loxy chimed in with a “the GM response to the petition was not brought to the attention of the Alliance Tournament team and should not have been sent, this was an error that we will investigate further.” before the thread was locked. We’ll have to wait and see what comes of all of this.

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117 Comments

  1. Battlereport Says...

    lol, CCP Sreegs inventing a whole new banhammer to smash people with.

    May 24, 2012 at 9:22 pm Reply
    1. Bagehi

      Bam. Don't cross Sreegs.

      May 24, 2012 at 9:28 pm Reply
    2. most likely not

      Extreme whack-a-mole, internet spaceships style.

      May 24, 2012 at 9:40 pm Reply
  2. DarthNefarius

    NERF the Alliance Tournaments!!!!!

    May 24, 2012 at 9:27 pm Reply
    1. Val_V

      Screw AT – nerf l33t pvp alliances, clearly they are OP.

      May 24, 2012 at 9:41 pm Reply
    2. Lan

      Why are we having alliance tournament while the children of incursion runners are sleeping hungry !

      May 24, 2012 at 11:20 pm Reply
  3. ?_?

    Will this also apply to renters/pets like the alliances living under goon rule?

    May 24, 2012 at 9:34 pm Reply
    1. most likely not

      probably not, because they are independent entities (albeit heavily related) and the players in the renter and landlord groups are different and therefor shouldn't be considered the same.

      What makes the problem with PL and YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT different is that they are not separate groups of players, they are both units players of PL trying to get two teams into the tournament.

      May 24, 2012 at 9:39 pm Reply
      1. Bagehi

        VOTES was not training with PL, which is why (I think) PL didn't get the ban hammer that Hydra/Outbreak got hit with. Otherwise, I cannot fathom why PL wasn't also banned.

        May 24, 2012 at 9:43 pm Reply
        1. duuuuude

          Because PL didn't try to cheat the system last year

          May 25, 2012 at 2:38 am Reply
        2. PL member

          No theorycrafting was shared and all practising and logistics between the PL and Swigg was separate. Nothing was shared and they even created their own forums to theorycraft on away from PL admins.

          May 25, 2012 at 4:09 am Reply
    2. Bagehi

      The wording they used was "share leadership" "well known to have characters in both alliances" "practice for the tournament together" and, of course, "are well known to be A/B/C teams."

      Since renters/pets/allies are common throughout ALL of null sec, I highly doubt they would single out goons.

      I think a better question is how will CCP handle "buying" wins (paying for the other team to self destruct).

      May 24, 2012 at 9:39 pm Reply
      1. Allo

        Basically they have walked into a shit storm. If they really want to clean the tourny up they should have started the day hydra and outbreak pulled there shit. A fast response like yanking the prizes out of there hands would have sent a big message.

        As far as buying wins, I don't really see a way for them to stop that sadly : /. And I see A/B/C teams being kept a lot more on the hush hush now. Really though the real threat is buying wins, working together dos not assure both teams will make it to the finales. But buying the alliance tournament is more then possible, especially for some one like goons (who I don't think would think twice about doing it).

        Both Hydra and Outbreak made it to the finales on there own. It was only the last fight when they faced off, did they pull there bs.

        May 25, 2012 at 12:07 am Reply
        1. BillyBob

          They made it to the finals by what some would call meta-gaming, while others call it flat out cheating. However you cut, they orchestrated their way to the finals.

          May 25, 2012 at 1:30 am Reply
          1. Dup

            That's right – they did make the whole tourney lesser.

            May 25, 2012 at 7:45 am
        2. duuuuude

          As much as I think the CFC block is a group of dog piling faggots, I don't think they'd want to win the tourny by paying their way.

          May 25, 2012 at 2:30 am Reply
      2. Random Miner

        Are the winners of these really looked at as so awesome that they really need to pay others to fail?

        it really always seems like the big nully ruins everything in this game…

        May 25, 2012 at 6:26 am Reply
    3. The Observer

      I wouldn't think so. Alliances like Gentleman's Agreement, RAZER, and Fatal Ascension are part of the same coalition, but they don't share members (much), CEOs, Directors, etc.

      May 24, 2012 at 9:45 pm Reply
      1. lol the day the likes of gentlemen's agreement entier the alliance tourney, that's the day hell freezes over. I think they're too busing running plexs & anoms & squabbling with the neighbours over ratting/mining in their space in branch to bother putting a team together.

        May 25, 2012 at 12:42 am Reply
    4. rasz

      Of course not, Sreegs is a goon = they are safe.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:57 pm Reply
  4. duhhhh

    Sreegs, good work is all i can say its true i mean did they not think CCP was watching lol, they were already practicing together in WH on SISI lmfao

    May 24, 2012 at 9:36 pm Reply
    1. HiHi

      Because they were told they could by a GM they had sent a petition in. Now CCP says yes with one hand then slaps with the other? While that is pretty funny imo, it sure as fuck is not right. And you qq'ing like you know some shit is fucking hilarious ^_^

      May 24, 2012 at 11:59 pm Reply
      1. Addrake

        Pretty big difference between practicing together, and making everyone join the same corp on sisi to facilitate training in a WH. Make it extremely obvious you're in this together (a/b teams) eh?

        May 25, 2012 at 8:17 am Reply
  5. Wolol

    I still look at that vid an think who we're they trying to fool, not whole eve community is as stupid as cfc!

    May 24, 2012 at 9:37 pm Reply
  6. Anomaly

    $700 USD to participate in the AT. Hell…

    May 24, 2012 at 9:39 pm Reply
    1. The Observer

      Didn't you know? Internet space ships is SERIOUS BUSINESS!

      May 24, 2012 at 9:41 pm Reply
  7. NC. Member

    no don't ban goons, its always fun watching them getting smoked

    May 24, 2012 at 9:40 pm Reply
    1. CFC > IRC > NCDOT

      Greetings obvious 1337 PVP'er. Your alliance is clearly so skilled at this game. You profit from the Russian invasion of the north, and then loose all your tech in venal to the CFC. But since you are so 1337 you don't care about tech. Your losses aren't because you are bad at the game but because CFC out blobbed you.

      Let me enlighten you. There are many aspects to eve. Business, War, espionage, diplomacy, etc. All of these aspects play their roles in winning wars, tech, and internet space glory. What the CFC excels in more than ANY other coalition, is diplomacy. While we are working together towards a common goal as relative equals, you and the rest of your elitist douche canoe alliances treat your allies like pets and meat shields.

      I have been on both sides of this war and I know full well what it's like to be allied to NCdot, and I have to say, the CFC is 1000x more fun. No wonder you cant form a proper fleet you elitist, douchey, stupid, horrible, yeast encrusted, warty, twat pickle of a pilot.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:25 am Reply
      1. NC. scrub

        U mad brah?
        Goon tears, best tears.

        <3 delusional cfc fodder :)

        May 25, 2012 at 1:36 am Reply
      2. Jimfromtherestrooms

        Your alliance is obviously so 31337 that it mastered all aspects of eve, which makes you feel entitled to lecture lesser eve pilots about. How does that feel mr. elite pvp? Joining the winning team is pretty elite too you scrub 😀

        Also: U mad brah?

        May 27, 2012 at 4:10 pm Reply
  8. duhhhh

    i still cant belive Hydra and Outbreak pulled that obvious crap last year and thought CCP wouldn't retaliate

    May 24, 2012 at 9:41 pm Reply
    1. Pee boy

      This was so well deserved after last year's pissing on everyone…

      May 24, 2012 at 10:13 pm Reply
    2. buggrit

      Stupid asses didn't even PRETEND. Serves them right.

      May 25, 2012 at 5:44 pm Reply
    3. No one important

      I still thought it was some of the best meta-gaming ever done in EVE. Honestly, it was EVE at it's finest.

      May 25, 2012 at 10:48 pm Reply
      1. Urziel99

        Metagaming is apparently not permitted in Polaris.

        May 26, 2012 at 7:11 pm Reply
  9. Youaskedforit

    Wow.. good work CCP :) Finally you stopped being pussy's and started to kick some ass. as some has said before.. the sandbox has walls to.. ban those fucking cheaters! Keep up the good work!

    May 24, 2012 at 9:47 pm Reply
    1. trousers

      Yeah, CCP is slowly getting respect again. Moves like this and banning bothers and RMTers is showing everyone who wears the pants.

      May 26, 2012 at 8:53 am Reply
  10. Just Bob

    Stupid…..

    May 24, 2012 at 10:13 pm Reply
  11. MASTER MIND

    Remember, these guys were responsible for the biggest disappointment of alliance tournaments ever. Good riddance this year.

    May 24, 2012 at 10:14 pm Reply
    1. -A-

      And ccp allowed it to happen and did nothing in response last year. Would have made sense if they had come out with a heavy response last year right after it happened. Something like disqualifying the 2 teams and setting up a re run between the 3rd and 4th place teams. Or not giving out prizes and instead a warning that next time the 2 teams get banned.. But no they cause a bunch of drama this year just before the AT10… Well fumbled CCP well fumbled.

      May 24, 2012 at 11:52 pm Reply
  12. Random CFC Grunt

    I'm so fucking loving this, I'd also love to see Garmon's face when he read that post.

    May 24, 2012 at 10:16 pm Reply
    1. Dildo

      Because you are tired of being shit at eve right? Don't worry you can leave the blob and come do some real pvp, it's not that scary.

      May 24, 2012 at 11:54 pm Reply
      1. Random CFC Grunt

        Leetpvp tears – best tears

        May 25, 2012 at 1:59 am Reply
  13. Carlos

    While i like hydra and outbreak, i think ban was the right decision. They made a mockery of last years tournament by match fixing it.

    May 24, 2012 at 10:20 pm Reply
    1. Dice

      But, was it in the rules that they could not? If that wasn't stipulated in the rules, then surely they were within their rights to do it. It is, after all, a sandbox. Take nothing from them: Hydra smashed everyone at last year's AT, and yes, they used some questionable tactics to do so – but it wasn't against the EULA or the AT10 rules.

      And now they are being banned from competing for something which a GM said they could do? That seems a bit silly to me. If it was clearly stated in the AT11 rules that no "combined-teams" were allowed, then it'd be fine for them to be banned. IMO, of course.

      May 24, 2012 at 10:44 pm Reply
      1. Dice

        Err, I meant AT9 and AT10, not AT10 and AT11 of course. Haven't had my morning coffee yet.

        May 24, 2012 at 10:45 pm Reply
      2. Allo

        Sadly people will down vote this just cause there mad at Hydra and Outbreak for doing what they did last year. But the truth is, your 100% right. Where in the rules did it say they could not do this? And banning them is going to do nothing but take away from the game, I'm not going to watch a bunch of no name plebs battle it out. I want to see the best pvp'ers fighting it out for top prize.

        What would be more effective is taking away both outbreaks and hydras AT prizes from last year. And informing them that if they are caught doing that again then they will be perma banned from alliance tournaments.

        This would have sent a clear message to them that CCP is not going to take this lightly and allow the top tier teams to still compete. Of course it would have been more effective to have done this last year when this whole mess started. But ccp dragged it out and now pull this bs? There was no clear response from CCP last year on how they viewed what happened. If they had wanted to stamp this out they should have done something immediately. Instead they show a massive lack of direction and forward planning when it comes to the Alliance tournament.

        May 24, 2012 at 11:45 pm Reply
        1. DRF is fun

          Its called sportmanship, and fair play. Otherwize next year Goons create 40 alt alliances in hopes to get into the lotery with 10 of them. All 10 teams populated with their "mail" team alts

          May 25, 2012 at 2:22 pm Reply
          1. DRF is fun

            Main team alts*

            May 25, 2012 at 2:23 pm
        2. ...

          B and C teams weren't against the rules last year, so why would CCP take away last years prizes? The teams that were punished were punished because of this years rules. RVB only entered one team because of this, so it's not beyond comprehension for people to actually read.

          May 25, 2012 at 4:41 pm Reply
      3. TestGruntBestGrunt

        You and Allo below you wrote indeed insightful points.

        But in your own posts there are the very answers you seek.

        The past year there was no rule against secondary teams. And so the ATIX went the way we know and loved to hate. They played within the rules, their prizes were awarded, chapter closed.

        This year there is an explicit rule against enlisting with secondary teams, with the punishment being BOTH teams being removed from the roster. So, pulling the same crap (valid on ATIX) this year will not and did not work.

        @Allo: if you want to see the best pvp'ers FIGHTING it out to top prize, you automatically remove from your desire the embarassing excuse for a final that was the ATIX one.

        May 25, 2012 at 12:20 pm Reply
        1. Allo

          So if BOTH teams are removed then why was only PL's b team dropped? and not PL?

          May 25, 2012 at 10:04 pm Reply
    2. Dip

      Exactly. Bye bye, see you next year.

      May 24, 2012 at 10:45 pm Reply
  14. Space troll

    Say it isn't so CCP….

    May 24, 2012 at 10:47 pm Reply
  15. Tee Hee

    Loving all the tears from the so-called PvP elite. Alliance Tourney has always been a joke. Anyone that's been playing for any length of time knows the winners do so through straight up pay-offs, meta-gaming or outright cheating. I might actually pay attention to this year's competition now.

    May 24, 2012 at 10:54 pm Reply
    1. Dildo

      You seriously think it will be any different? Really? You are that fucking stupid?

      May 24, 2012 at 11:56 pm Reply
    2. blood

      yes last years tourney was a disappointment – who want so see 2 gladiators hug in the ring? We want some blood!

      May 26, 2012 at 8:51 am Reply
  16. Maid

    When I read Sreegs post, it made me smile. Seeing the qq from Hydra and outbreak was the Icing on the cake, especially because they did it unto themselves. If they wouldn't be spoilsports last year, they could have teamed up again this year without anyone caring.

    May 24, 2012 at 11:20 pm Reply
  17. herdurp

    Hydra and outbreak are faggots. Good riddance, sincerely, a guy who shits on you daily

    May 25, 2012 at 12:06 am Reply
  18. NC. scrub

    At first I was like, fuck yeah, the final of last years AT was a shambles. The AT is as much for the teams competing as it is for the rest of eve watching, and hydra/outbreak made a mockery of it. It's true their metagaming was superior and within all eula and AT rules, but it was terrible to watch from a spectators perspective.

    HOWEVER, after reading Garmon's post and seeing the emails and petitions they sent to various CCP staff prior to AT:X, I can't help but think CCP is the one in the wrong here. When a team asks the tournament holders for clarification on the rules many weeks in advance, and a staff member of the tournament holders confirms they are complying with the rules, what exactly did hydra/0utbreak do wrong?

    CCP, you have once again made yourselves look both inept and vindictive. Didn't think it was possible.

    Simple solution, allow either 0utbreak or Hydra to compete, but not both. Trying to give some sort of ultimatum or stop them from theorycrafting/testing together would be stupid. They wanted to skirt the very edge of the rules in order to win first and second last year and ruined the alliance tourney finals as a result, which is unacceptable for CCP who is trying to promote the AT as an event which all of Eve can enjoy. Forever after Hydra/0utbreak should be considered one team, NOT BANNED, just one team. Simple.

    May 25, 2012 at 12:14 am Reply
    1. _Bob

      Garmon has spouted so much BS and hypocrisy lately that im inclined to side with ccp just because he's trying to weasel out of repurcussions. Again.

      May 25, 2012 at 10:38 am Reply
    2. silver

      "Forever after Hydra/0utbreak should be considered one team, NOT BANNED, just one team. Simple."

      Right it is simple but the fault lies at hydra/outbreak not ccp. it was stated clearly that no a and b team are allowed. if they had joined as one team no one would have got the ban and they would be in.

      But no, they needed to try it also they KNEW already that it is most likely not rule conform

      May 25, 2012 at 12:49 pm Reply
      1. Allo

        PL IS STILL IN.. SO FUCK THE RULES SAY THIS…… IF THEY ARE REAL RULES THEY APPLY TO ALL…..

        Just sayin… Obv's ccp fuck up again…

        May 25, 2012 at 10:17 pm Reply
        1. ex-waffle

          PL's AT team never shared any training info/tips with Sniggwaffles AT team. They even have separate forums. This has been the status quo for many years now.

          May 25, 2012 at 11:00 pm Reply
  19. guest

    Bro IM Mad.
    Waffles has like 3 PL people in it as directers, they don't run the tourney team and PL doesn't practice with them.
    Trust me on this, Waffles DREAM of fighting Pl in the alliance tourny, it would be a very competitive match, PL team would'nt want to lose becuase of the sheer embarrassment, waffles would want to win so as to gain a measure of smug unheard of in any other mmo, plus it couldn't hurt chance of getting into PL.
    Waffles is a recruitment corp for PL that is administered by Pl but not really "run by' Pl, It's where would be "Leet Pvpers" prove their ability to be usefull.

    May 25, 2012 at 12:26 am Reply
  20. Hazeatron9000

    For those who get off on Hydra/0utbreak getting kicked, you do realise they can still compete and profit, right? There's already people working as ringers, now you've got the best players in EVE available and we know they like their $$$. Account sharing in EVE never happens though, right? VPN's, how do they work? How do I paypal (because why settle for ISK).

    Protip: You can't stop the metagame, it will be as rife as ever in this AT. But I guess it will be sufficiently hidden that the pubbies are oblivious and proclaim this as a fair and e-honorable tournament, despite the fact the final is going to be even more hollow than last years, what with the eventual winner ('sup Darkside) never having bested the existing champion(s).

    May 25, 2012 at 12:28 am Reply
  21. Bocephus_Morgen

    I'm OK with this, it is very fishy that the top two teams from last year would share secrets on any level. If they were truly competing they'd be doing everything they can to hide from each other.

    May 25, 2012 at 12:53 am Reply
  22. Lykouleon

    I could care less about the competitors, I'm watching this tournament for Zastrow :swoon:

    May 25, 2012 at 12:54 am Reply
  23. Marcus_McTavish

    I hope they realize this whole this is very subjective! Its all based on CCPs interpretation of it.

    There should be a definite rule, or non at all. If its a farse like last year, drop them at the end, and have a second final match.

    Better yet, if that happens, its CCP vs the Winner!!!

    May 25, 2012 at 12:58 am Reply
  24. ITS MAGICS!

    GMs =/= CCP

    May 25, 2012 at 1:21 am Reply
  25. Exakt785

    Well for 1, I think CCP is going in the right directions not allowing B and C teams. They are keeping an eye on the training done in SiSi. I don't know why the alliances absolutely want to train with a "friendly" alliance. AFAIK, Pro teams in multiple sports don't train with competing teams, why should EVE be the exception to a concept that is so much in deep in the sports community. As it was before it was almost as if the Packers and the Patriots would have train together before the SuperBowl playoffs and then upon the final day just play against each other without as much as an effort to truly play the game. Train more people within your alliance, make them become better at small scale PvP and use them, promote them into your elite AT team if they are truly better than an old vet past his prime. Status Quo is bad, CCP changed the rules to evolve the AT, the teams need to learn and evolve too.

    May 25, 2012 at 1:26 am Reply
    1. Sivere

      if u don't have enough people to setup trainings, there's not much choice left, and always would chose people you trust rather than some random guys.

      May 25, 2012 at 1:59 pm Reply
      1. Devore

        Choose people you trust who will not be playing against you in a competitive tournament?

        May 26, 2012 at 12:26 am Reply
    2. Ardyvee

      I'm sure eSports isn't the same as "Sports". I'm sure you can find ctf, tdm teams (name the game) fighting against each other in a match to see how well they are doing. While I don't disagree with your point of view — they should do it within themselves, if possible — variety is also a key to winning. Fighting the same thing again and again makes you less than good against other things.

      All in all, I don't think training against other alliances is BAD. What's bad is that they worked as one team. Curiously, had they trained together yet worked as separated entities, I think the result would have been mostly the same, except for the final match (which would have been more exciting). Each team did beat the opponents fair and square (at least we believe so). They just forgot to act the last match (or perhaps somebody forgot to keep shut about the coin toss).

      May 25, 2012 at 11:06 pm Reply
    3. agree

      10x's thumbs up. Great post.

      May 26, 2012 at 8:42 am Reply
    4. dani lizardov

      old vets (farts) yeap we all know em :)
      They will aways tell, you how greate they were!
      How ever the game is changing and evolving and how greate you were 2 years ago, does not matter :)

      *The game is old!
      *The fresh blood is rare.
      * Even that CCP is trying its not possible, for a new player to get the max performance for just few mounts in the game :) … They might have more fun, then the old farts but skills are skils and you cant just skip em.

      I think it is good that we see new faces on the AT :)

      May 26, 2012 at 9:08 am Reply
  26. No surprise

    After what Hydra and Outbreak pulled off, CCP decided that this was crap. They couldn't confiscate the prizes because there were no specific rules against it and it wouldn't be fair to change the rules when the tournament was over.

    CCP clearly stated A/B/C team and buying into victory was not acceptable. It really would be no surprise they would have kept a close eye on Hydra and Outbreak. When they found out that they were gonna pull a similar crap as last year, they banned them because this time they did break the rules laid out for this years tournament.

    The Alliance tournament is not also entertainment, but marketing for EVE online. No one like a crappy fixed match where the other team was obviously bribed to lose. AT9 was a joke put on CCP and EVE.

    May 25, 2012 at 2:39 am Reply
  27. 1dayyou'llgetit

    I say survival of the fittest. If they can form 2 teams that are better than all the others, and get both to the finals, they deserve to win. Besides, even if they were both in it this year, they would get smashed. This tournament has a "dark horse" and they are going to win the tourney with or without Garmon's involvement. All of eve is about to learn what a farce these so called "elite pvp'ers" are. Most of these guys are actually shit at eve, and only win fights by stacking the odds in their favor before the first shot is fired. On an even playing field they are trash. This year will prove it. I hope you all are ready to for your first glimpses of true elite pvp'rs. Because there the team that is going to win is on an entirely different level than anything that has come before. It's really a shame garmon won't be there to get his ass handed to him in front of all of new eden. Because we will surely hear his crying afterwards that he is better than the winners.

    May 25, 2012 at 7:27 am Reply
    1. Allo

      OMGZ A DARK HORSE FROM AFAR… IT MUSSST BEEEEE THE BEEEEE…..

      May 25, 2012 at 10:14 pm Reply
    2. StevieTopSiders

      We both have Verge of Collapse in mind, right?

      May 27, 2012 at 6:24 am Reply
  28. Dont Care

    damn cool, should have done it last year but it wasnt in the rules so CCP couldnt do anything….running around claiming GM said it was ok…..what a lot of crock….you knew it was wrong went and kept asking till they got someone who was buddy buddy to sign off(jester trek)….what BS…well deserved to be banned from the AT10……

    May 25, 2012 at 7:44 am Reply
  29. droljica

    geymaster ccp shreegs sad alota bulshitt & lies… Well ccp, what happened with "players driven game" ?

    If at9 finale was (and it was) fixed between Hydra and Outbreak, its players driven, not himmlers driven ffs. And whats the point of at prices if u can have it for 30 bil, but its way to much for ccptards to understand.

    May 25, 2012 at 7:58 am Reply
    1. buggrit

      If it were a player run contest, then players would have to deal with it.

      As it is, is like the olympic commission laying the smackdown.

      May 25, 2012 at 5:46 pm Reply
  30. MoarATearsX

    Ohh boy thats low, exploiting a GM -whos normally not involved in AT- to circumvent the AT rules…..
    ….they should be banned for AT X just for trying with that nervy attitude of theirs…

    May 25, 2012 at 10:00 am Reply
  31. MoarATearsX

    Ohh boy thats low, exploiting a GM -whos normally not involved in AT- to circumvent the AT rules…..

    May 25, 2012 at 10:08 am Reply
  32. MoarATearsX

    Ohh boy thats low, exploiting a GM -whos normally not involved in AT- to circumvent the AT rules..they should be banned from AT X just for trying with their nervy attitude of theirs

    May 25, 2012 at 10:17 am Reply
  33. harry

    i will save this year a lot of time in not watching the cheater AT X . after AT IX it has lost its magical fascination.

    thank you hydra and outbreak

    May 25, 2012 at 10:22 am Reply
    1. whats the point

      at least in AT9 they needed to beat the rest to get to the final, ATX just became little league , i hope the eventual winners enjoy their hollow victory..poor bastards

      May 25, 2012 at 8:38 pm Reply
      1. nah

        training together is gay. I'm glad they're out.

        May 26, 2012 at 8:46 am Reply
  34. Zentar

    IMO, it's a healthy move by CCP when it comes to the AT. Otherwise at AT15 we'd see very few individual teams as the brackets would be filled with alternates and there would in reality only be like… 3 teams! To…maybe exaggerate a bit. Besides that, it also lowers the sporting aspect of the competition. You're no longer trying to beat the other team with superior tatctics and fits, you're just trying to have as many teams as possible which lowers and stagnates the level of competition. For example, if it had been common practice to have massive teamplay inbetween opposing-participants since the beginning, in all likelyhood we would never have seen the spider-tank's popularity rise to as much as it did. So… yeah… last year was a perfect example of what a fan would never wanna see, anyways… Anticipating that final where the two best teams in eve compete in an erruption display of tactics and firepower! And then it turns out to be worked. (LOL! See what I did there?)

    May 25, 2012 at 12:43 pm Reply
  35. doh

    very very well done CCP, after last years complete and blantant cheating final, AT become a joke… trouble is im sure that some of those other alliances just might have alts of the bigger alliances in them anway… but for now good move..

    however does this mean that outbreak and co are going to be banned forever? as whats stopping them next year doing it?

    May 25, 2012 at 12:57 pm Reply
  36. x-x-x

    go to youtube and see which matches are watched the most !! oh yes the matches from the guys u banned…

    great job ccp.. ;(

    May 25, 2012 at 5:23 pm Reply
    1. -_-

      No the banning was correct. Whats the point of a tournament manipulated by cheaters. We all want a proper tournament.

      May 25, 2012 at 9:52 pm Reply
  37. buggrit

    They're paying for stupid in ATIX.

    Smart money would have PRETENDED to have a fight, not make a full-blown mockery of it.

    May 25, 2012 at 5:43 pm Reply
  38. -_-

    They should apply the same rules to PL and their alt Voting alliance.
    Ban PL.

    May 25, 2012 at 9:54 pm Reply
  39. So Low

    Funny how Hydra and Outbreak were working together, and because of such teamwork CHEATED their way to the final.

    No.

    They beat everyone to get to the final, they gamed everyone. They didnt cheat to win, they just beat everyone.

    Barring them from competition now makes this tournament not a best of the best, but rather just a scrum where the less skilled team can win.

    Lame

    May 25, 2012 at 9:55 pm Reply
  40. Azule

    I don't see the problem, eve is a game where scamming, lying, and cheating are the norm. Why should the AT be any different? If CCP wants an AT where the best of eve is showcased, then they got exactly what they wanted last year. And multiple teams would only mean higher auction prices. Sell those plex, cause isn't that what the game is about really?

    May 25, 2012 at 11:29 pm Reply
    1. ze german

      this. seems tho CCP and the player community does not want to swallow this bitter medicine. creating a game wich allows scamming, lying and cheating and then banning exactly this from a "fair sports contest"?

      it will never be a fair contest as long as ISK is involved so why bother taking the scamming, lying and cheating out?

      I saw last yers final round and thought:"This is an exact mirror of what CCP created!"

      Interesting…

      May 26, 2012 at 7:55 am Reply
  41. dani lizardov

    I think the ban was a desition.
    The way it was executed… meh CCP way, aways a drama :)
    A game company that could not even plan a patch to its game after 9 years. LOL

    It`s good that this time we will see some fresh faces on the Tournament. I am looking forward to it.
    And I hope we will see some fresh fleet composition and ideas as well.

    As for the Elit PvP'ers, there is no such thing in eve! There are:
    – Stats hore
    – EFT warriors
    – people having fun
    – people that think they have fun
    and carebrears 😀

    I like this type is the best : "people having fun"
    This mean undock look for a fight, get what is trown at you and have a good time 😀

    I hope we will see more of this in AT10… We all have seen the ELIT and the eft warriors before
    you can only find em there, or docked somewhere hahaha :)

    May 26, 2012 at 8:29 am Reply
  42. awerage player

    I hope Outbreak and Hydra will sell intel about other teams, just to ruin this fake AT.
    Also i hope Outbreak and Hydra will teach some1, and i hope some1 is going to ask them for that.
    Still they are best, and such power must be used.

    May 26, 2012 at 10:41 am Reply
  43. uxiz

    outbreak/hydra should have been banned from entering for what they did last year and an alliance with a name like 'your votes dont count' is obviously a b team

    well done to ccp for finally doing something good wiht alliance tournement

    May 26, 2012 at 11:15 am Reply
  44. MisterNick

    Sreegs doesn't mess around 😉

    May 26, 2012 at 11:27 am Reply
  45. yarr

    CCP out-metagaming Hydra. LOL

    May 26, 2012 at 2:11 pm Reply
  46. jan polak

    now maybe its worth watching the AT… last year explains how big en meta eve is, but it also shows how lame ass it can be once too many polaks(read PL) sit together in a circle and stroke the guy to the rights manhood..

    May 26, 2012 at 2:52 pm Reply
  47. so FAIL

    This year will be the first year were i will not see the AT
    Last final was lame, but you can t just deny to partecipate to the fuckin best ally, it' s like playing in asport were the best team is not playing.

    May 26, 2012 at 3:35 pm Reply
    1. jan polak

      because that team was caught cheating?????? if brazil cheats in a WC final do you think they would be in the next football world cup??? no, go cry u mad whatever

      May 26, 2012 at 3:41 pm Reply
  48. Lem

    They don't even deny throwing the last match. I love the folk who have this unshakeable belief that they would never have done anything as dubious as manipulating any of the previous matches and therefore are clear winners anyway.

    Nah, they didn't fight straight up, the extent is unknown, therefore they finished last / disqualified IMO. I honestly think it's a shame they chose to throw away the chance to prove they were best, but I guess that shows that they didn't have confidence in it themselves.

    May 27, 2012 at 11:35 am Reply
  49. ex-waffle

    exactly

    May 27, 2012 at 10:12 pm Reply
  50. your point? they read the rules then asked the staff if they could practice together, and got the go ahead.

    My soccer team has a weekly scrimmage against another squad in our league, and do combined practices regularly to mix things up and keep it fresh. Does this make us the same team? (hint, you're implying it does)

    May 25, 2012 at 4:07 am Reply
  51. Anon

    Good! I am sick of bullshit final matches that are rigged.

    May 25, 2012 at 5:28 am Reply
  52. Allo

    Perfect, I guess the only question now is if Outbreak and Hydra really where told they could train together.

    May 25, 2012 at 10:02 pm Reply
  53. skullair

    YOUR VOTES DON’T COUNT is an alliance consisting of a holding corporation and Sniggwaffe, which is widely known as the farm team for Sniggerdly. This is a fact which they openly admit. Unfortunately given that fact, and given the fact that the team captain and CEO bounce regularly between or have alts in Pandemic Legion, we cannot consider them anything other than a B team for Pandemic Legion and as such have to remove them from eligibility for competition.

    PL didnt get banned for trying to field 2 teams

    Hydra should be allowed 1 team in aswell in this case OR ban PL aswell

    May 25, 2012 at 7:36 am Reply
  54. Allo

    "We will be actively removing those alliances that try and add a ‘B’ or ‘C’ team. We want everyone to have a fair chance but stacking the deck in this manner will not be permitted. This removal will also include the main alliance if we detect anyone trying to field more than one team."

    From that stupid link you keep linking like you know something. Guess what, read the fucking last sentence. Now take into account PL was spotted trying to sneak a B team in, why are they still fucking in. If those rules mean a damn fucking thing then PL should be banned to. Nuff said…

    May 25, 2012 at 10:20 pm Reply
  55. TestGruntBestGrunt

    Practicing with your sparring partner is NOT the same as enlisting for the tournament with said partner.

    Hydra can practice with Outbreak till their eyes bleed mountain dew. There's no rule against locking yourself in a wormhole and duke it out 23.5/7.

    However, this year rules prohibit Hydra and its sparring partner to BOTH enroll for the tournament. It was the biggest difference in the ruleset from the previous year – and guess why it was introduced?

    Training = yes
    Participating = no

    What kind of metal riveted and marble reinforced skull you must have not to understand the difference?

    May 25, 2012 at 12:24 pm Reply
  56. Silver

    Thats exactly the point.
    since Hydra and Outbreak. work so close together they can join as ONE team but not as two teams and that was made clear in the rules.

    There would have been no trouble if they had said: "we practice together and we fight as one team together"
    But no, we need to do it like last time and try to go in as team A and B.

    Those the ban is deserved.

    May 25, 2012 at 12:40 pm Reply
  57. Allo

    MUST WIN ALL DA ARGUMENTS ON DA INTERWEBZ n0w!1!!11!!!!111!!

    SHUT UP STUPID HEAD YOU KNOW NUTING!!!!!!

    May 25, 2012 at 10:09 pm Reply
  58. Urziel99

    Ya mad bro? Must be one of the hydra members who got banned as he's been sperging like a true neckbeard all over this article.

    May 26, 2012 at 7:15 pm Reply

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