Viper Rum is a notorious Eve News24 commenter who – from time to time – send us insights on pressing Eve Online issues.

Viper Rum: A Modest Proposal to the Technetium Problem

In a word, alchemy. Right now prices for technetium are sky high and the Mittani seems to be intent on creating a cartel to control just about all of the technetium production so prices could conceivably go even higher. Now, if this situation is viewed by CCP as an imbalance then a very modest proposal that could address the problem would be to introduce a new alchemy reaction, one for platinum technite.

Right now to produce platinum technite you need 100 units of platinum and 100 units of technetium. With alchemy you usually bypass the more expensive input—i.e. technetium. Instead you’d use a Rarity 32 moon mineral like vanadium or chromium. So for example suppose you have the new alchemy platinum technite reaction use 1,000 units of chromium and 100 units of platinum and that this results in 1 unit of unrefined platinum technite that can be refined into 40 units of platinum technite and 80 units of platinum. At current market prices at the end of 30 days (assuming you keep the process running that entire time) you’d make enough platinum technite to sell for around 1.37 billion isk. Back out 370 million for running the tower and you are at around a billion isk a month for minimal work once the set-up is done. This would scale linearly as you add towers.

Run 4 of them and you’ll make 4 billion and fuelling 4 towers and running them isn’t that much harder than 1 if they are all in the same system.

For null sec alliances if they can get a moon with chromium and or platinum they in effect have a technetium moon. For those that don’t, just go buy the materials and react them. The market would of course not stay where it is. People would flood the market with platinum technite and the price would drop…but so would the price of technetium. In theory, the price would drop to the point to where alchemy is just barely profitable; a quick back of the envelope calculation would indicate a price 74,000 isk/unit, or slightly over a 30% drop in prices (assuming the price of inputs do not increase).

This would also likely lead to a drop in the price of technetium as well since the only refine product from technetium is platinum technite. This in turn reduce the incentive to stay in the OTEC for its members, especially the smaller ones and it would increase the desire by members to “chisel” on the production quota agreements (“chisel” means to sell more than your allotted amount since cartels often try to control the price by controlling the quantity on the market).

This is a very simple “fix” to the “problem” of technetium prices. It could be done without any major patching, no new nonsense like mining planet rings or finding technetium is special exploration site asteroids, or making moon materials move around randomly from moon to moon.

–Viper Rum

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126 Comments

  1. guest

    They have already made a solution to the problem. Please refer to ring mining and how moon mining will work in Inferno

    May 13, 2012 at 1:41 pm Reply
    1. concerned citizen

      Ring mining is not in Inferno – said to be after it some time.

      May 13, 2012 at 1:53 pm Reply
      1. Jason

        What sometime means to CCP is, they'll do it in the next two years, maybe if they don't change there minds. In the meantime they should just ninja nerf it one downtime by add a handful of techmoons to all the regions outside of of the northwest, they don't need to be in the northwest part of the map to be a conflict drive. Infact we have seen that the tech in the northwest atm isn't a conflict driver atm….. all the tech holders have NIP'd eachother, and a large portion of them are NAP'd with a title of goonpets they wear with pride.

        I won't be holding my breath for us to see it even within 2012, but who knows, they my surprise me.

        May 13, 2012 at 4:57 pm Reply
        1. Obtuse is obvious

          Ya tech in the north isnt much of a conflict driver it only caused warfare over 3 regions and the stompage of two former power alliances. Ask White Noise and Raiden about how sedate their tech holdings have been in the last 4 months.

          May 13, 2012 at 7:56 pm Reply
    2. Dino

      is it ready for inferno?

      May 13, 2012 at 1:54 pm Reply
  2. nulab

    Anything to spread some iskies into the hands of the masses and away from the giant power block rmt old guard is good.

    May 13, 2012 at 1:42 pm Reply
    1. some goon

      "RMT old guard". Ha. you're funny.

      May 13, 2012 at 7:56 pm Reply
  3. daggda

    Really, your solution to a sandbox game i to patch out the people who are winning?

    May 13, 2012 at 2:42 pm Reply
    1. wolfe

      Cus the goons never promote stuff like hurting supers for there benifit do they

      May 13, 2012 at 2:53 pm Reply
    2. LGND

      Tech, was OP from the start. Goons didn't win eve. They backstabbed their friends in NC to control more of the Tech. All they are doing is making it more OP than it already is. The fact its been 2 years and CCP still hasn't fixed tech, is pretty dam bad on CCP's part to leave the game broken for 2 years.

      May 13, 2012 at 2:56 pm Reply
      1. im so proud

        lol

        May 14, 2012 at 1:13 am Reply
        1. Tallian

          Check out the old Dyspro/Prom moon cartels.

          Tech wasn't an issue til they rebalanced those 2 moons(for exactly the same reasons). They just made another problem just as bad when they did that.

          They appear to be tackling this imbalance in another way. Planetary rings will mean we will still control all the tech, but you can ninja mine it, or you can come in with small gangs and prevent it from being harvested. This will maintain the competition to control scarce resources, but it will give people a way to reduce the power imbalance it causes.

          Plus, I bet CCP sees forcing goons to mine for their iskies as a hilarious troll.

          May 14, 2012 at 9:07 am Reply
    3. Corteztk

      your problem is that you don't understand the concept of a sandbox game. Just because it's a sandbox doesn't mean you let broken concepts stand just for the sake of it. The goons along with people like myself pushed for a titan nerf and got it. Now and rightfully so many people in this game want it so not all tech is controlled in one area of the game especially because of how many things tech builds. Seems similar to the titan nerf so many requested.

      May 13, 2012 at 3:02 pm Reply
      1. tjjt

        Titans were unstoppable. Tech is only OP because the people who control it are resourceful and have made a great use of it. The way to stop that? Take the tech moons yourself. The way to stop titans? …?

        I understand the concept of a sandbox game very well, the issue is that I take it to it's natural conclusion whilst some want a sandbox-lite version.

        May 13, 2012 at 3:57 pm Reply
        1. Works both ways

          Titans were OP because people who had them were resourceful and made good use of them. the way to stop that? build your own titans?

          May 13, 2012 at 4:06 pm Reply
          1. Tallian

            Tech doesn't blap rifters.

            You can kill tech with rifters(it might take a while).

            Tech != Titans.

            However, tech still needs to be changed somehow.

            May 14, 2012 at 9:04 am
      2. stop whining

        and while we're at ait lets make sure that most the oil isnt in the middle east, and all the rich countries share their money with the third world. the fact is that in order to make a game more realistic there should be areas that have unique resources and if anyone wants those resources they either have to trade at the owners prices or take them by force.

        May 13, 2012 at 4:06 pm Reply
        1. Mara Rinn

          All oil isn't in the Middle East. There are plenty of sand and shale oil reserves, so as the price of oil goes up it becomes economically viable to exploit these other reserves. The catch with moon goo is that you either have it or you don't. There is no alternative. Alchemy addresses this problem to some extent, but making moon mining more like PI would be a better option (short of moving all moon goo to asteroids, which I am not particularly fond of).

          May 14, 2012 at 2:45 am Reply
        2. Northener

          Did you just say the word "realistic" talking about my internet spaceships game?

          OK, then let's make this more realistic and let the people of EVE invent alternative technologies to reduce its galaxy's Technetium footprint!

          There you go. Tech nerf justified through real world analogies.

          May 14, 2012 at 4:12 am Reply
        3. Corteztk

          If the middle east disappeared tomorrow life would go on. Things would be more expensive but we would find ways around a lack of oil.

          If tech disappeared from EVE tomorrow half the ships and modules would no longer be produced and slowly disappear from the game forever. See the difference. The fact that there are not alternatives to tech and it's only available in a small number of places and is able to be controlled by one huge entity is a problem. It doesn't make sense, there is no way there are no alternatives to tech.

          May 14, 2012 at 8:06 pm Reply
    4. Jokus

      Actually it's like driving a dumper truck to the sandbox and get another ton of sand in there. More options = sandier sandbox.

      May 13, 2012 at 3:30 pm Reply
  4. M1k3y

    OR,

    Remove technetium from T2 production and moons.

    Done.

    May 13, 2012 at 3:21 pm Reply
    1. just a goon

      Sounds like a great way to completely reverse the unfair afvantage, rather than remove it.

      May 13, 2012 at 8:04 pm Reply
      1. M1k3y

        Reverse the unfair advantage? In favor of who?

        May 13, 2012 at 11:48 pm Reply
  5. Well, lately when CCP says they are thinking of doing something, it's already but done and implemented with intent to release in next iteration.

    This time it's the moving of T2 Production entirely to Low and Null. The solution here is no help for that certainly.

    Anyway, this and many other reason are why I have withdrawn my 6 toons and $800 a year to CCP this past week. From the dev responses about the cancellation reasons, they listen to nothing now. It's pretty much over. Definitely over for me.

    Have 'fun' dealing with this nonsense.

    May 13, 2012 at 3:33 pm Reply
    1. Biife Stuhe

      Can I have your stuff?

      May 13, 2012 at 3:38 pm Reply
      1. Dudger

        I already have his stuff.

        May 13, 2012 at 4:02 pm Reply
        1. Can you share some of his stuff with us? Or are you forming an Organization of Attikusf's-Stuff Exporting Corporations to screw us all?

          May 14, 2012 at 12:45 am Reply
          1. Captain Salmon

            The StuffTEC stuff monopoly is ruining eve.

            May 14, 2012 at 11:50 am
    2. Dark Motoko

      Can I have your stuff?

      May 13, 2012 at 3:56 pm Reply
    3. Imigo

      I don't do much of it myself, but as I understand it Reactions Arrays are limited to 0.3 and below anyway right? What's the difference?

      May 14, 2012 at 1:41 am Reply
  6. uxiz

    even simpler fix: delete tech

    May 13, 2012 at 3:54 pm Reply
  7. Cletus VanDamme

    CCP doesnt meddle with politics. They believe rightly so that the game world is self correcting. Eventually mittani will make enough enemies that the whole game will join against him. once he manages to piss off the last few people that are still neutral in the matter we will see the whole game rise up and stamp out his neo-bob empire.

    May 13, 2012 at 3:57 pm Reply
    1. Kratisto

      Everyone agrees technetium is both broken and overpowered. The Mittani agrees. Technetium should have been fixed a long time ago; I cannot wait.

      May 13, 2012 at 4:25 pm Reply
    2. ...

      So you're saying The Mittani is Sansha and everyone needs to band together to kill him? They didn't do very well at stopping his incursion into Jita.

      May 13, 2012 at 7:26 pm Reply
      1. Stator Thog

        Because most of us could care less about Jita burning!

        May 13, 2012 at 8:20 pm Reply
    3. wuup

      There is something you do not understand. The South can not hold their territory without T2 stuff, and with the speed CCP is doing, things nothing will happen before 2013. it will mean that you don't have anyone to fight with, then jita will have to to burn everyday for you to have something to do.

      May 13, 2012 at 7:54 pm Reply
    4. gooncursions

      i would run them

      May 13, 2012 at 10:16 pm Reply
    5. Random Miner

      almost every nerf and every buff ever made disputes your opening thought

      May 14, 2012 at 4:23 am Reply
    6. Historian

      "CCP doesn't meddle with politics" – you do realise the entire reason the tech moons were placed in the North were political in the first place?

      May 14, 2012 at 4:37 am Reply
  8. Clusterfucker

    no, no, no, no, no. Alchemy doesnt belong in a futuristic setting.

    May 13, 2012 at 4:37 pm Reply
    1. Aher

      Agreed , the correct words are "nuclear transmutation". Search wiki :)

      May 13, 2012 at 7:23 pm Reply
    2. Ashesofempires

      This is an entirely appropriate technique, for this particular situation. Calling it alchemy is somewhat misleading.

      Scientifically speaking, Technetium is an unstable element. It decays into something else over time. Mining Tech is technically impossible, because of this decay. Only trace amounts exist naturally, anywhere. Again, because of the instability of the element, it decays.

      It can however, be synthetically created as a by-product of uranium fission, or neutron capture of molybdenum. Therefore, it is entirely feasible for enriched uranium from PI to be used in a reaction to make technetium.

      Really the only objection to this would be to call it alchemy, instead of nuclear fission synthesis or some other futuristic name.

      May 13, 2012 at 7:24 pm Reply
      1. Aher

        Funny thing … so my Falcon should decay into a a Blackbird over time , no ? :)

        JOKING !

        May 13, 2012 at 7:31 pm Reply
      2. Random Miner

        ……. DAAAAAMN! You got mad skills bro. Time to go put ice on my head

        May 14, 2012 at 4:28 am Reply
  9. EveManiac

    If CCP corrects the Tech a new bottleneck in production will appear and The Mittani and the sorts like him will seek to control it. Welcome to the Sandbox. So if you want to correct that you either have to kill the Sandbox, not a good idea. Or you ban individuals like The Mittani, very interesting but not so feasible course of action. And in all honesty, people like The Mittani make the Sandbox interesting as well.

    In that Eve is reflecting real life. Read the papers, the world is not an honest place. Deal with it or go play another game.

    May 13, 2012 at 4:51 pm Reply
    1. Silver

      Sure there will be a new bottleneck but it will stop this static. The issue with tech seems to be that it is all in "close" space. If it was more spread out it gets harder to control. Currently the goon fleet can travel to any tech moon within an hour or less.

      You don't need to change the sandbox or kill mittani, the only thing you need is to provide flexibility and alternatives. The reaction would be a good way but never the less the problem with moon minerals in current state stays: The demand will rise through more eve players. But the supply will remain the same since no new moons get introduced.

      To counter that there needs to come a scalable system for moon minerals. Reaction is a short term fix but in the long run a player driven moon goo harvesting will be necessary.

      May 16, 2012 at 10:13 am Reply
  10. wuup

    CFC and the North won eve. They control all the technetium, and if they choose to not sell it then we will be flying t1 stuff within a month. Even if they chose to sell it they can keep the price so high that we would bleed out. It is not only the technetium is also such things as the new wardeck system that gives them a great advantage. CCP could easily change it but I would not count on it, so GG to all.

    May 13, 2012 at 4:58 pm Reply
    1. Anonymouse

      And what's wrong with tech 1?

      May 14, 2012 at 2:03 am Reply
      1. wuup

        Just one word is sufficient, Logi!

        May 14, 2012 at 1:29 pm Reply
    2. Tallian

      No one can fly Tech 3?

      Or fit faction gear?

      May 14, 2012 at 9:10 am Reply
      1. wuup

        so you want to make a fleet with faction fit guns, good luck with that.

        May 14, 2012 at 1:32 pm Reply
        1. Tallian

          I haz tech, so I don't need to just yet 😉

          May 14, 2012 at 4:32 pm Reply
    3. dani lizardov

      ah its good then, that cfc drop there gear so easy :)

      May 14, 2012 at 3:38 pm Reply
  11. eve pilot

    just introduce tech astroids and bingo end of any cartel with mittani at its head doing his best to break the game which has been his objecive since the beginning.

    May 13, 2012 at 5:17 pm Reply
  12. PL BLUE

    This is not wow. We have no preists its called remote rep. We have no alchemy its called Industry. We have no Rogues its called Piracy.

    May 13, 2012 at 5:18 pm Reply
    1. ivan

      Umm, <insert a failpic here>, alchemy has been a part of eve for more than 3 years

      May 13, 2012 at 6:46 pm Reply
    2. Tallian

      Cyno me closer so I can hit him with my sword!

      May 14, 2012 at 9:18 am Reply
  13. Carlos

    You knows whats funny….The mittani used to cry about all the techtonium that needed a nerfand used to call some of them team tech. Now there is no cry about getting it nerfed from his hands. Now that all in his hands, nerf is not needed right?

    May 13, 2012 at 5:36 pm Reply
    1. Dutchman

      The mittani is still advocating a tech nerf. The OTEC is a measure to raise awareness so that CCP may act more swiftly. Just like when they used MWD drakes against titans to get CCP to nerf titan tracking.

      May 13, 2012 at 7:21 pm Reply
      1. The14th

        The drake thing only affected those pilots, in this case he is profiteering off of the galactic market. It's hard for me to see this as a noble stand when the Goons are going to walk with the biggest Tech payout right before it gets fixed. Especially after they orchestrated/backed two events to help deplete the market (Burn Jita and Hulkageaddon2012) It really fits into the Goon motto of "Ruining YOUR game".

        May 13, 2012 at 8:00 pm Reply
        1. Dutchman

          Ofcourse. I'm not saying they're not profiteering hugely from this. But to say that GSF is now against a tech nerf is false.

          May 13, 2012 at 8:15 pm Reply
        2. Testie

          Nobody is claiming its a noble stand. Goons have been advocating a tech-nerf for a while and I believe they still are. Now that they're being successfull in creating a cartel with little to no resistance from the rest of the playerbase, a lot of people start crying foul and calling for CCP to intervene. I'm fine if CCP does or does not nerf tech. The combination of a lack of restistance from the playerbase and some great effort/leadership/teamwork from goons&co I believe they deserve the insane payout.

          May 13, 2012 at 8:23 pm Reply
          1. Memory

            Actually the last time he spoke out against the technetium issue was well BEFORE the goons held the moons. Since goons have held most of them its been crickets on the tech imbalance.

            May 14, 2012 at 4:40 am
          2. Imigo

            Maybe you should take the crickets out of your ears then. I've heard The Mittani mention that tech needs a nerf plenty of times since Goons held tech moons.

            May 14, 2012 at 5:35 am
          3. Jarlexly

            The question is : does mitani loves this game and he honestly doing all these propaganda things, or he has so failed in his real life that he is trying to satisfy his ego with this game.

            So what, he is trying to force a game company what He think is right, not our right . He is bullying other players with his politics to gain more influence over ccp, over us. Dont you all think that, if he is so succesful about influencing human beings, doesnt he should be successfull about his real life? But no instead of it, he İs spending his real life time on eve politics and going his bed how he successfully fed his ego.

            You cant tell anyone about your internet space empire success at work, in a friends meeting, in a party ect ect, no one gives a shit about it, so your only listeners are the ones playing this game in your space empire.

            Dont you think you are wasting your life time about a game politics. The difference between him and us we (players) just spending 3-4 hours in a day to just have fun blowing things up and move on our lifes. The point is " Getting fun without much thinking"

            Thats all folks.

            May 14, 2012 at 6:56 pm
          4. Imigo

            "Getting fun without much thinking"

            If that's what you want in a game, can I recommend that you check out Big Fish Games. They have a huge library of games that aren't taxing but are designed to make you *feel* smart.

            To me, EVE's appeal is precisely that thinking gives you an advantage, and that you're not simply playing against the game, you're playing with and against the other players, and the politics that comes with that. The Mittani shows a clear grasp of this concept so I don't give a damn whether he does what he does because he "loves this game" or because "he has so failed in his real life that he is trying to satisfy his ego with this game".

            You just seem to be reaching for something you would like to be the case so you can feel better about yourself, much like a Big Fish Games Hidden Object game could provide.

            May 15, 2012 at 10:51 am
        3. Cunty

          Goons have never ruined my game.. In fact I had a ball during burn Jita and my mining fleets is parked for the month out of respect for my alliance. – I can tank/rep em, but we don't lose barges this time of year…….
          I enjoy surviving and thriving for 7 years in eve. Nobody has ever ruined my game. If I made a mistake, I make adjustments. I have 9 trained toons in every aspect of eve.. One has issues? Jump to another. Can't mine? More PvpP time….I grab my dessie suicide guys and join in. I would have no interest in eve if it was safe. None.

          I have an acute lack of danger and stress in my life, if I don't have eve, Mittens, Hulkageedon, Burn Jita etc etc..
          I may get into RL mischief.

          May 13, 2012 at 11:39 pm Reply
          1. Allo

            You sound familiar I must know you in game some how?

            Also +1 all the things!!

            May 17, 2012 at 2:19 am
          2. Cunty

            Cheers. I try to call it like the voices tell me. Ask all your in games friends if they are cunty.
            Should give some interesting responses at least. 😉

            May 18, 2012 at 1:07 am
      2. random

        Mittens is indeed an interesting character; you never can tell when he's doing the wrong thing so that you realize it's wrong, or when he's doing the wrong thing so that he gets an advantage over you. Or both.

        May 13, 2012 at 9:23 pm Reply
        1. Tallian

          Its always both.

          Find the weakness, and exploit it ruthlessly and publicly. You win, then later when its fixed the game wins.

          May 14, 2012 at 8:55 am Reply
      3. Cunty

        That's right, most goons are cocksuckers, but Mittens is smart and also tries hard to expose the games weaknesses, he is actually throwing away his tech monopoly (in the long run) by forming OTEC.

        I actually respect and enjoy Mittanis work. I just hate his nut-swingers and buddies.

        He is very good for eve, no question. I just wish some of his minions had his sense of dignity.

        Regards, the Cunt.

        May 13, 2012 at 10:43 pm Reply
      4. Random Miner

        sooo…. by destroying hulks he's advocating a miner buff? What a swell guy.

        I wish every shitty thing I did could be made to look altruistic…

        May 14, 2012 at 4:21 am Reply
        1. Tallian

          L2PR

          He used to be a Washington DC lawyer, he probably had to spin harder than this just to get a law office clerk job.

          May 14, 2012 at 8:54 am Reply
        2. ViperRum

          And we got one BTW. With the nerf to drone poo and mission loot miners got a huge buff. Was it due to hulkageddon? I haven't a clue, but maybe it did put more of a spot light on the issue…or not.

          May 14, 2012 at 5:57 pm Reply
      5. ViperRum

        I think there might be some truth to this. Mittani is not stupid, and he has to know that by forming OTEC it is making the issues with Technetium even more visible.

        May 14, 2012 at 5:58 pm Reply
      6. Morg.

        I would have nerfed mwd drakes tbh .. noone should fleet that kind of crap.

        May 14, 2012 at 9:12 pm Reply
  14. noname

    #OccupyGoonstreet We are the 99%

    May 13, 2012 at 5:56 pm Reply
    1. gewn fag

      Obviously false. We take up at way more than 1% of the player base.

      May 13, 2012 at 8:02 pm Reply
      1. Sreggin Wej

        Everybody know the CFC got over 115k pilots nowadays.

        May 14, 2012 at 12:04 am Reply
  15. trader

    there is no problem with tech. so don't wine

    May 13, 2012 at 6:04 pm Reply
    1. Yarbear

      Why the hate against wine? I'm a lover of good Chiante, and I doth protest!

      May 13, 2012 at 11:11 pm Reply
  16. Random Goon

    Come on now, there's no Technetium problem!

    May 13, 2012 at 7:32 pm Reply
  17. Snake eater

    I can honestly say that I probably dislike the goons more than most here. But tbh, there really is not tech problem… A group has managed to corner the production of one of the materials in the game… Welcome to the sandbox guys.

    ITT: butthurt for everyone, too many people mad about something that happened legitly.

    If you want to solve the "problem" you have to cut the head off this snake. Cut off the head…

    May 13, 2012 at 7:54 pm Reply
  18. EleazarU

    the fix to the "tech problem" lies in the player base, not CCP.

    May 13, 2012 at 7:57 pm Reply
  19. lol

    even simpler take goons moons out stop being carebears and crying about ballence its a pvp game if you can take that space and hold it why not reap the rewards?

    May 13, 2012 at 9:09 pm Reply
    1. M1k3y

      Because if you own all the space there's nobody to shoot.

      May 13, 2012 at 11:12 pm Reply
    2. Sold

      got supers? Oops, got titans? oops. Now what? How you take goon tech moons? Plz tell us. Easier said than done.

      May 14, 2012 at 12:35 am Reply
  20. hakona

    Swift told the Irish parents to eat their children (or sell them as food), you tell us to replace one inflexible bottleneck with a different one.

    Am I supposed to take that seriously?

    May 13, 2012 at 10:05 pm Reply
  21. Banned Droljica

    "This is a very simple “fix” to the “problem” of technetium prices"

    you must be goon payed troll….

    1st. ccp DONT wanna mess with fuerer mitani and goontards, ergo: himmler (ops hilmar /wink) will do shiit about "techetium problem"

    2nd. retard like u, and ur fuerer should know that "technetium problem" is easy solved by, guest what goontard, spreading it all around NewEden

    Basicallly, its walk/dont walk situation

    May 13, 2012 at 10:08 pm Reply
    1. Imigo

      The irony in that post is stunning.

      May 14, 2012 at 1:49 am Reply
      1. goontroll

        When you drop mk320 into 300 civilans you say,,,, "it was mistake, its stunning" ?

        Right?

        May 14, 2012 at 11:34 pm Reply
        1. Imigo

          Sure, dropping Logitech keyboards on people erry day.

          May 15, 2012 at 10:56 am Reply
    2. <3

      You sir are a full retard.

      May 14, 2012 at 2:10 am Reply
  22. L0rd_Lucan

    Tech should have been a good conflict driver.But we've seen with both the old NC and the current Northern masters that instead of being a conflict driver it only drives people into making massive blue coalitions with nips and naps.

    Just because it's a MMO game doesn't mean we're all supposed to hold hands and dance about together,singing songs about rainbows and unicorns and telling everyone how fannytastic we are because we have loads of friends.

    May 13, 2012 at 10:25 pm Reply
    1. Sreggin Wej

      Maybe you missed the parts where
      The old NC got invaded by the DRF.
      The DRF tried to attack the CFC.
      The remains of the DRF planned to re-attack the CFC
      The CFC conquered Branch and fought in Vale.
      The CFC conquered Tenal.
      The CFC led a campaign for Venal's moons.

      Surely, technetium produced no conflicts in the last year.

      May 14, 2012 at 12:02 am Reply
      1. bittervet

        THE OLD NC 80 % of it joined goons , they the same many retards but with better management ,
        eve is broken for too much time , yeah u can have my stuff !!! CCP cant find balance even if get struck by it,

        May 14, 2012 at 3:01 am Reply
      2. some random

        I was There!

        May 14, 2012 at 10:28 pm Reply
  23. Spai

    Haters will hate and keep on hating. Neo-Bob comments and the what-not are the same old tiresome BS year after year.
    A single alliance is SUPPOSED to be a super power in this game. It's what keeps the game interesting.
    You don't like the "Cartel" taking away all your profits? Then take it away from them.
    The straw that is breaking the camel's back is the new war dec system.
    This system is the one that will allow the goons and the "Cartel" to control the market in EvE for a very long time.
    Forget about tech. Deal with the new war dec system. Because if you as the players allow it to happen goons will own the economy of EvE. They will be able to ship their goods to market with impunity, UN-contested, UN-molested. They will destroy all the small fish in the pond until it's nothing but the big fish left and ruin this game.

    May 14, 2012 at 1:54 am Reply
    1. super secret stuff

      do you really think that wardecs affect anything in null sec life? if people have mass quantities of product from nul(tech or mins or ships or anything) i almost guarantee that they are using highsec freighter alts that are not in their alliance as to avoid the war dec. its been happening for years and is common practice, so the new wardec has nothing to do with it.

      May 14, 2012 at 9:44 am Reply
    2. dani lizardov

      You are right about one thing it keeps the game interesting… for few people :)
      The top PVP aliances in this game dont have anything incoment with TECH and 0.0 sov etc.
      Why?

      May 14, 2012 at 1:08 pm Reply
  24. I've been a part of other mmo's and have seen games die and come close to death because of large alliances dominating their enemies through over-recruitment and mass blue lists, it is up to the community to fix this problem, for us to become the police and ensure that alliances we are a part of do not grow to the size which we see goons and some other groups at.

    Simple solution to all of eves problems is a limit of X members per corp/alliance and corps/alliances learning to not blue everyone. We'd all be a lot busier and resources would be changing hands a lot more often.

    May 14, 2012 at 2:14 am Reply
    1. Tallian

      No, we would just maintain out of game blue lists, and you would have effective NIPs across the whole of eve.

      Besides, who are you to tell me how many friends I am allowed to have?

      May 14, 2012 at 9:09 am Reply
  25. Imigo

    I must have missed the dev blog saying that all aspects of T2 production will move to null. Anybody have the link?

    May 14, 2012 at 5:37 am Reply
    1. Random Miner

      i don't know what dev blog did either, i was telling you the difference, because it looked like you didn't know any better…

      May 14, 2012 at 10:11 pm Reply
      1. Imigo

        It's not so much that I don't know any better, I just know what I don't know (as opposed to thinking I know something when I actually don't, which is a pretty common affliction).

        Serious question: How is it that you "know" that CCP plan on moving T2 production to low/null?

        May 15, 2012 at 10:54 am Reply
        1. Random Miner

          I KNOW you can simply look up and see what I wrote. That I don't KNOW what ccp is doing, I only responded to your post
          "Reactions Arrays are limited to 0.3 and below anyway right? What's the difference?" and explained what the difference was between that and actually having to produce tech 2 mods in null would be. If you respond to this post and ask the same damn question in a deifferent way again, I KNOW you're dumb…

          May 15, 2012 at 11:41 pm Reply
          1. Imigo

            OK, so you say you don't know what CCP are doing, but you asserted that "production means anything T2 will have to be MADE there" as if you DO know somehow. Do you see how that doesn't quite make sense?

            The only evidence I have seen to back this up is the statements made by attikusf and you in this thread.

            All I was asking for (hence the "Serious question" bit) is a citation of some sort so I can verify for myself. I prefer not to rely on "some guy on the internet said so". If you don't have one that's fine, I will have to leave it as unconfirmed scuttlebutt in the meantime because I'm not finding anything announced by CCP.

            May 16, 2012 at 1:54 am
          2. Random Miner

            AGAIN, I don't know what they are doing, I never said I did, I was just illustrating the difference between two things for you, because you said "what's the difference?", and I told you. Good day sir

            May 17, 2012 at 2:02 am
          3. Imigo

            Let me clarify my "What's the difference?" question then seeing as it was slightly ambiguous.

            I know the difference between reactions and manufacturing, what I was really asking was : What's the practical difference between having one central and sizeable part of the process limited to low/null and having every part of that process limited in the same way. I simply didn't give it the time to phrase it fully first time around, and it seems I'm paying for that now.

            As I see it, there're a lot of people taking the "let other people gather and move it from the dangerous places for me, I'll just buy it and add value in the safer places" approach to T2 production. In a way it would make sense to move the whole process to the more dangerous places so that people have to get more engaged in the socially interactive aspects of the game to profit from the more valuable activities.

            Again, I'm yet to see anything that shows what CCP's view on this is and I would very much like to see it first hand, if there even is one.

            May 17, 2012 at 5:06 am
          4. Random Miner

            I SAID…. GOOD DAY SIR!!

            May 17, 2012 at 9:16 am
          5. Imigo

            OK Fez.

            May 17, 2012 at 10:14 am
          6. Random Miner

            i don't know what that means, but I'm giving you a plus one for carrying this on for so long, kudos for your persistence.. lol

            May 17, 2012 at 10:43 am
          7. Imigo

            LOL. It's a That 70s Show reference, you said what Fez always says.

            I do have an unnervingly high tolerance for discussing (discussion was the reason for my asking) matters of game design. Good thing too.

            May 17, 2012 at 10:53 am
  26. Mercurface

    i like the planet ring idea due to the fact that it makes sense planet rings in RL are either made of ice and/or they are failed moons so it would make sense to have moon goo in the planet rings but i think it should more like ice mining where it takes some time to get any material out of the ring and CCP could input more modules designed for the ring extraction and probably implement a new ship made with role bonuses specific for planet ring mining. i think this could be done in all sec's of space with little effort and problems to implement this idea and it would solve the unreasonable price hikes that one alliance seems to dictate.

    May 14, 2012 at 6:31 am Reply
  27. Anon

    1) Get at least one alt per person in every hi-sec Corp / Alliance.
    2) Fit Suiside gank ships
    3) Have at least one scanning ship per gate in Jita
    4) Gank EVERYTHING that contains technetium
    ….
    5) $Make Goons Cry$

    Alternitive 3b) Source all areas where Technetium is dumped onto the market (Camp these gates)

    OTEC may be similar to the OPEC however, IRL when you ship your product to a country, the customs office doent shoot you and steal your stuff.

    Eve however is another story.

    May 14, 2012 at 10:26 am Reply
  28. PowerPolitics FTW

    To fix this problem as stated in the above mentioned article would ruin Eve. I don't like the CFC, and I enjoy very much fighting them.

    IRL, if there is a resource monopolized by a region, or country, or whatever, other entities do what they can in order to guarantee supply. Be it through straight forward business dealings, toppling governments, or flat our inciting civil war, the power changes hands.

    GSF have a strong hold over the resource, for now, it may seem like forever, but one day something it will change and it is up to the rest of the players in this game of power politics to take advantage when the opportune moment presents itself.

    May 14, 2012 at 10:53 am Reply
  29. Goons = NC

    Easy as that:

    CCP should remove all existing tech moons and spread them ALL over eve

    OR

    rise value of other moons and lower value of tech in production.

    Having a deal between CFC, PL and NC. to protect their tech will ruin the game – again

    CCP should work on this immeditaly and it is all so clear that guys like Shittani do not work at all in real life as they have a proper nice RMT income…and it rises!

    May 14, 2012 at 12:08 pm Reply
  30. nullsecnoob

    Screw you! Those moons were not given to the CFC (or anyone else) and they they were taken in a short period of time. It took a LONG time before the CFC was strong enough to take them. So now that the CFC and Co. have the lions share of the tech moons it's time to change the rules? Why? I did not hear this talk when WN, Raiden, etc were making isk by the truckload.

    May 14, 2012 at 5:14 pm Reply
  31. Dick Cheezburger

    Only tech problem is for bitches who can't get any. Get fucked.

    May 14, 2012 at 5:21 pm Reply
  32. FA grunt

    Everyone stfu everyone is right and wrong about this. What needs to be done is not the manipulation of the tech cost but shrink of the moons and their locations themselves. So it's still peofitable and its almost impossible for one group to have control. I am in FA and frankly I havnt seen shit about this tech isk going anywhere. So CCP should switch up the moon locations throught eve and make the number of overall moons shrink. But guess what kids CCP won't do that because there just a bunch of computer nerds that think to hard about supply and Demand. Also probly afraid that major groups like goons will disappear because they don't want to play because they can't maintain a alliance…..maybe that is what is needed so smaller groups that will actually fight people instead of hiding in stations.

    May 14, 2012 at 7:50 pm Reply
    1. FA grunt

      Also if no one has noticed there are officially 2 groups in eve the north and the south (technically 3 CVA but they don't do shit) there is also RA but they are falling. If these groups don't fight soon eve as a game is fucked because everyone in null sec will be friends. The tech cartel has made this possible which is bullshit.

      May 14, 2012 at 7:57 pm Reply
  33. Industrial Newbie

    I am just digging into the industrial portion of eve. I have watched the forums for a long time, seen the power shift back and fourth. The people I hear crying about goons owning the majority of tech moons, expecting ccp to fix it. Get off the ccp teat pilots! You want some of your own tech? TAKE IT FROM THEM! What is stopping you from getting all the alliances together (or at least a bunch of large ones) and taking the areas back? Goons aren't invincible ya' know.

    Hell if something like that were to be put together, I would help out as well.

    May 14, 2012 at 9:33 pm Reply
  34. moonshidda

    i poop on tech moons.

    May 14, 2012 at 10:49 pm Reply
  35. Pro-Explosives

    IMO, CCP should make it so to mine tech, you have to go through a more difficult process that has vulnerabilities that can be exploited by DUST Bunnies once it is released.

    Like having to anchor a mining base on the moons surface and the ore can only be held there until it's ready for processing and no longer held in a well defended tower behind the shields.

    That way, if you really want to piss off Mittens, you could hire Dust Bunny Merc's to storm the mining base and simply blow up their supplies before they can get used.

    Sure you don't get the spoils but neither does the enemy.

    Alternately they could change the way that Tech Ore is processed so that there is a very small (but still possible) chance that a chain reaction would occur and the whole thing explodes taking your tower with it. :)

    Or both.

    Either way, it makes Tech mining more dangerous and less profitable for those doing it and easier for those who are not to get revenge for high prices if the cartel's try to raise it artificially. (I.E. if I can't have it no one will.)

    Another possible solution is to have a skill that would allow a highly trained hacker to impersonate an ally ship and slip past the shields of a tower and destroy the silos with the ore still in it.

    There are destructive solutions to almost every problem.

    May 15, 2012 at 3:40 pm Reply

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