Susan Black is a Minmatar Militia pilot, game developer, and blogger.  Her blog can be found here.

GamerChick: Resetting the Warzone – Not Just a Matter of Opinion

On April 20th, Shalee ended a post about how Faction War is going to suck in Inferno with a plea to CCP to reset the warzone.

Very few people took this idea seriously, or said much about it until yesterday when a CSM member made the same suggestion on the EVE Online forums, even saying he would be taking the idea to CCP:

“I also totally agree that with all of the changes on the table for this expansion, the most fair thing to do would be to reset Sov across the board. I’ve already been talking to CCP about this particular issue. ”  –Hans Jagerblitzen

As the CSM member’s remarks was lighting some heated discussion on the forums, Shalee posted an entire article about the issue, saying that “it is only fair” that occupancy be reset come Inferno.

So, should occupancy be reset? Are the changes that CCP is making to Faction War merit a reset across the board?

The first, and most important aspect of this discussion is the impact that a reset would have on the sandbox. Technically speaking, resetting what is ultimately player-driven political content would be as far from sandbox behavior as you can get.

For this reason alone, I would be willing to bet much on the fact that CCP will not even consider the idea, as it goes against everything they are striving to accomplish within the game.

The second consideration is what kind of precedence an action like this would make. A reset would open a whole gray area in EVE, where discussions could be had over how ‘big’ a change needs to be in order to merit a reset.

CCP, as of yet, has made no precedence in resetting in-game politics due to an added feature or changed game mechanic being inconvenient toward one party or the other.
I do not think they will start now.

Faction War
One of the primary arguments you see for an occupancy reset, is that it would be ‘good for Faction War.’ While I think what’s ‘good for Faction War’ dims in importance a little in the face of what’s good for EVE in general, the question of whether it would really be good for Faction War is worth investigating.

Theory 1: It will create more fights, as it means the ‘underdog’ will be more motivated to fight.

Though I can’t speak from the perspective of the Gallente/Caldari warzone, one of the biggest excuses the Amarr give us for not fighting, not undocking, and etc. is that we outnumber them. They claim that they are currently the underdogs in both numbers and activity right now. (I will actually prove them wrong on this matter in a later post, where I analyze some hard mathematical data.)

A reset will not address the Amarr’s numbers issue. Therefore, why do people think it will make them fight more?

What it boils down to is the morale of the underdog. People feel that a reset would essentially make the militias who are currently behind feel as though they have more of a chance.

So essentially what they are asking for is an action by CCP that expressly caters to the feelings and attitudes of specific political parties. This is called asking for favoritism.

Theory 2: It will be fair.

One thing tossed around by the (very few) supporters of a reset is the idea of ‘fairness.’

Since we’ve already established that a reset would go against sandbox ideals, would be an action of favoritism toward specific political parties, and would essentially go against all previous precedence CCP has set in the past, I think it’s safe to say that the idea of a reset being ‘fair’ is a somewhat ludicrous notion.

But, whether or not it’s ‘fair’ aside, the idea that CCP would do something for ‘fairness’ sake is in and of itself a ludicrous notion.

  • What about the idea of fighting over null-sec space, defending and keeping that space, and then having the entire face of that space changed by CCP’s removal of minerals from drones?
  • What about the idea of purchasing 60+ billion isk ships only to have CCP change mechanics that essentially changes the very roles that they play in fleets?
  • What about any nerf, or mechanic change that leaves pilots SOL? Or is good for some and bad for some?

Who are we, as Faction War pilots, to think that we deserve  CCP to make our plight more fair? Are some really that naive?

The Bottom Line
The bottom line is that not only would a reset be bad for Faction War, it would be bad for EVE. 

Maybe I will be proven wrong, but I cannot fathom CCP resetting the warzone.  I cannot begin to imagine the fallout from such an action.

Maybe I have too much faith in CCP when I 100% believe that they will not take an action on player-driven political game content–an action that has purely speculative results.

In her post on the reset, Shalee says,

“I can deal with most anything I think as long as we have a fair shot when the new changes are implemented.”

This is EVE, my dear Amarrian opponent. This is the game where any ‘fair shot’ you might have is determined by you–determined by the effort you put forth, the decisions you make, the friends that you keep, and all actions that you do or do not take.

This is the sandbox.

If you want something different –something less, where GMs try to make things a little less hard, and a little more fair, then I suggest you go back to playing WOW.

– Susan Black

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  1. This post makes a lot of good points. I flew in the warzone for too long. While I love the changes the reset is a big debate in my opinion and I doubt CCP will take action.

    May 6, 2012 at 1:42 am Reply
    1. Urziel99

      oh, they'll take action. Namely telling those who want a reset to go play in traffic.

      May 6, 2012 at 7:06 pm Reply
  2. Just an opinion

    I think the issue however is if these changes are going to affect FW so much, things should be reset not for fairness but to see how these features will change FW. I've never done any FW although I am considering trying out Gallente. If the change won't help Amarr anyways (as you so put it) what do you care? You can just beat Amarr a second time for those systems. That's the point of the game, to play it no?

    May 6, 2012 at 2:19 am Reply
    1. What's a "Goonswarm"

      the Test server is the place for testing changes and features

      May 6, 2012 at 2:27 am Reply
      1. Just an opinion

        It doesn't compare to the actual server though especially for something like this. Seriously why are you guys so butthurt about internet stations.

        May 6, 2012 at 6:13 am Reply
        1. Tallian

          It does when you organize a test with a bunch of people so you can actually see it play out

          May 6, 2012 at 5:47 pm Reply
    2. Horak_Thor

      resetting would be completely bs to the people (ie me) that have spent multiple hours plexing to take certain systems, and annah kitheran would proabably jump out off a very tall building.

      your nil experience of fw and the effort thats put in to take these systems means you should probably move on to something you actually understand and give your opinion there o/

      May 6, 2012 at 7:51 pm Reply
  3. What's a "Goonswarm"

    Are we talking just about the Empire boarder areas where Faction War takes place or are we talking about ALL sov; Nulsec and FactionWar??? I suggest if the later was to happen the game would either die very very quickly as people Rage quit and/or Alliances would be demanding compensation for all their infrustructure this would cause mass inflation and ultimatley would result in Alliances (A lot smaller than before) just putting up new TCUs in pretty much the same places they were to begin with. As for an FW reset (either included in a full reset or on its own); People who have been playing Faction war; grinding complexes and other faction what-not, would feel that all those days and nights of grinding would have been for nothing and would also Rage quit and/or demand refunds for isk spent on their efforts up to that point again pushing up inflation.

    May 6, 2012 at 2:24 am Reply
    1. _Bob

      The reset she is refferring to is for FW systems only

      May 6, 2012 at 5:30 am Reply
  4. har har

    Resetting it would be ridiculous. No real reason for it, you want the space, go take it.

    May 6, 2012 at 2:28 am Reply
  5. corelin

    Arena Seasons come to EvE!

    May 6, 2012 at 2:43 am Reply
    1. Silentskills

      Like every pro, don't waste time losing right after the seasons starts. Wait a week or two for the vets to get bored then grind/punish noobs for those shoulders/sov systems…

      May 6, 2012 at 3:52 am Reply
  6. Paladin

    matar slut crying

    May 6, 2012 at 8:08 am Reply
    1. random noob


      May 6, 2012 at 8:10 am Reply
    2. logic

      Hold on. I thought it was the Amarr that were crying for a reset because the Minnies are making bitches out of them?

      101011001 Logic Error

      May 6, 2012 at 7:32 pm Reply
  7. Darth sideous

    if ccp are gona change the sandbox idea i would like also some stuff changed so the game favours me more i want a ton of isk couple supers and full control of npc ships so i can rule the galaxy

    May 6, 2012 at 10:27 am Reply
  8. droljica

    We just screwed some zero regions like Delve, Tenal, Cobalt etc. pls ccp tards, reset it, its only fair thing…..

    May 6, 2012 at 12:02 pm Reply
  9. NoPrecedents

    They didn't reset null sec when they changed the sovereignty mechanics in Dominion. This shouldn't be, and probably won't be, any different. The sovereignty mechanic change undoubtedly made taking space harder for some and easier for others but that didn't mean the previous ownership, and the efforts that went into gaining that ownership, were negated. Though there were probably some "underdogs" that wished otherwise. All current accomplishments should stand as they are and let the new changes accommodate new accomplishments.

    May 6, 2012 at 12:52 pm Reply
  10. Anon

    If the Amarr militia gets spanked so hard that they cant make the LP they need to fund the pvp they do the price of the Amarr militia LP store items will rise until a entity that can fight the minnie takes over. Markets got to love em. NO resets this is EvE not WoW.

    May 6, 2012 at 6:03 pm Reply
  11. lol

    "CCP, as of yet, has made no precedence in resetting in-game politics due to an added feature or changed game mechanic being inconvenient toward one party or the other.
    I do not think they will start now." um anomaly nerf anyone? JB mechanic nerf? Systems that had 100's of hours of effort and billions of isk invested made comparatively worthless overnight , infact several 0.0 regions made worthless….that certainly didn't completely re-write the politics of 0.0 now did it?

    May 6, 2012 at 8:56 pm Reply
    1. Apples and Oranges

      It didn't rewrite 0.0 politics because you are not talking ab out "political" mechanics.
      A comparable situation would have been a global null-sov-reset along with the deployment of Dominion, or each and every PI setup being removed with the last expansion. And since you just mentioned the anomaly nerf and the "devaluation" of the index levels: That's universally true for every system (of course relative to the system's security), however the index levels themselves weren't reset, or were they?

      May 7, 2012 at 6:30 am Reply
  12. Cearain

    I really think the fact that many of the players are so concerned about a reset just proves that ccp is making faction war occupancy more of grind instead of more fun. If they were making it so the plexing involved more fun quality pvp then no one would care whether there was a reset or not.

    I know I would be looking forward to plexing and getting tons of great pvp if I had thought that is what there changes would accomplish. (and I really wouldn't care who held more systems at the start)

    Instead, the lock outs will make faction war more of a hassle and the long times to flip systems will make plexing even a longer grind. This is why a system reset is such a hot topic to begin with.

    May 7, 2012 at 4:36 pm Reply

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