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Finder & Keepers: Incursion Tears – Welcome Back Mission Runners

I meant to gleefully address this before the patch, but seeing the amount of tears POST release, it just seems so much better now.

Welcome back mission runners; we missed you.

When CCP Affinity released this dev blog concerning the “re-balancing” of incursions, he, predictably, triggered a veritable shit-storm on the forums (and further cemented my suspicions of Affinity’s, er, affinity for garnering tears from Eve players). Every pasty, bleary-eyed, carpel-tunnel-wristed little Incursion grinder in Eve seemed to come out of the woodwork and complain about what they viewed as an unfair nerf to their income. Of course, that was nothing compared to the amazingly blunt patch-day tears so gloriously posted on Reddit/Eve: “Incursions are a fucking waste of time now, good job CCP you fucking assholes

I have an alt that I’ve occasionally used to grind some incursions with. Why? Because despite claims to the contrary, Incursions ARE an isk faucet (also because “know thy enemy”). If you have a free afternoon and feel like making half a billion isk in 5 hours while your eyes bleed, by all means, go join an Incursion fleet. Pre-patch-nerf, Incursions were absurdly easy, with predictable waves, simplistic AI, and repetitive enough that in time, people knew exactly how large a fleet and exactly what ship to fly in order to simply blitz them as fast as possible. I haven’t actually tried one since the Escalation patch, but I’m willing to bet that they’re STILL absurdly easy, they just pay more in tune to what high-sec PvE should be paying now.

Here’s the fun part though: spend 5 minutes in one of the Incursion public channels, and you’ll see that this faucet comes complete with a fully functioning drain. Whats amusing to me, is that most Incursion runners simply spend their easy money almost as fast as they get it; no one is taking this massive isk income and investing or putting it in the bank. Again, spend 5 minutes talking to this particular breed of carebear, and you’ll find that most Incursion runners spend that cash on hugely expensive officer mods, implants, Carrier alts they’ll never use because they’re always in high-sec running Incursions, and all sorts of other shinys.

What most have pretty quickly learned to do in fact, is channel that Incursion cash back into their Incursion ships, a practice that seems to be voraciously encouraged by the community, and one that continues to amuse me. As I mentioned before, Incursions are stupidly easy; the waves can be predicted with your eyes closed, and if you’ve got halfway decent Logi pilots in your fleet, you could almost afk through them. The practice of “building up” or “pimping out” your Incursion ship is a notion that amuses me, because it is in effect the practice of carebears trying to one-up each other. Its not as if getting that faction hardener or those officer guns are necessary to run actually run the Incursion site; what this escalation of “how much isk have you sunk into your Incursion ship” really highlights is peoples willingness to spend money in order to beat each other, not the Sansha rats. The major competition in Incursions isn’t getting through the site, its getting through the site before the other guys do. Its a vicious cycle, where carebears blindly grind through vanguards for cash that they will then spend on being able to grind through more vanguards faster than the other guys. To me, this escalation its almost a perfect amalgamation of PvP and market PvP; a sort of competitive “non-pvp” where everybody is a loser, and I can tell you, there’s nothing quite like standing on the sidelines with a bag of popcorn watching bears go at each other.

As you may have noticed, when Incursions came out, mission running stagnated; and why wouldn’t they? Incursions were new, different, and payed WAY more money. As they got more popular and people figured out how to blitz them, they were then faster AND more rewarding than running level 4s. So now that Incursions are slower and pay less money, will we see a return to mission running? Who knows, but I’ve personally got daydreams of recently jilted bears in gold-dipped PvE ships coming back to the world of missions with a chip on their shoulder and itchy trigger fingers…

 

Aiden

P.s. Now, if someone more in tune with economic trends could explain to me why everything in Eve costs twice as much as it did 2 months ago…

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72 Comments

  1. homie

    first

    May 1, 2012 at 8:03 am Reply
    1. Some Guy

      Last, enjoy the billion negs

      May 1, 2012 at 8:29 am Reply
    2. WhiningFucks

      OMG, idiot internet postings SHOULD HURT THAT BAD PPL WOULD TWIST ON THE GROUND IN PAIN…….also kids under 14 years old should be restricted from internet acces….by LAW (maybe a bit exterme…but would free up more bandwith 😛 )

      May 1, 2012 at 10:46 am Reply
      1. out812

        ^^ should read under 14 year old and people in general who haven't yet learned to type a coherent sentence …

        May 1, 2012 at 5:33 pm Reply
  2. random

    "P.s. Now, if someone more in tune with economic trends could explain to me why everything in Eve costs twice as much as it did 2 months ago…"

    1. Mineral prices (a month or two ago, morphite was around 3k isk/unit, now it's over 14k, for example)
    2. Tech prices (already covered by the news)

    CCP buffed mining, alright. So much that manufacturing is worth shit now and everything is expensive as hell.

    May 1, 2012 at 8:22 am Reply
    1. DangerosoDavo

      "CCP buffed mining, alright. So much that manufacturing is worth shit now and everything is expensive as hell. "

      Manufaturing will be as good as was before after the old stock is gone and new more expensive stock replaces it, you gotta wait for the market to balance, manufaturing is generally behind the curve due to its nature.

      May 1, 2012 at 9:09 am Reply
      1. true also once meta 0 stock dries up and there is feck all meta 1 – 4 loot drops there will be a market for t1 meta 0 stuff again.

        mining didn't really get a buff though… just the market traders will really see any real profit from this as miners will still be losing hulks right left n centre to suicide gankers

        May 2, 2012 at 10:22 am Reply
    2. cfc'er

      no shit sherlock?

      May 1, 2012 at 9:41 am Reply
      1. He forgot speculation.

        May 1, 2012 at 9:43 am Reply
        1. DarthNefarius

          I'm curious how much of the speculation is well founded. The alloy removal Supply Shock is huge. The next 2 months should tell

          May 1, 2012 at 7:10 pm Reply
  3. Captain Salmon

    One interesting trend that I noticed, was null-sec folks complaining about how easy and risk free the high-sec incursion isk faucet was compared to their null-sec anomalies. This is a completely fair argument, but this viewpoint overlooks one potential secondary effect on null-sec incomes generated by this patch. The massive amounts of isk that these incursion runners had, and their willingness to spend on faction/officer/DED-space modules, created a situation where the money supply was high, and supply of these modules in high-sec hubs lower as they were scooped quickly off the markets. I expect to see the prices of special modules produced in null-sec to decrease gradually over the coming months (somewhat, not a major slope).

    May 1, 2012 at 9:26 am Reply
  4. Random Miner

    well, frankly, I thought the whole incursion thing was only gonna last so long anyway. Yeah, some crazy cyborg, enslaving dick head is invading empire and sov space. But that's a story that's gotta have an ending sometime, doesn't it?

    May 1, 2012 at 9:36 am Reply
    1. Yea what about the other factions? Or some kind of story about them? The invasion doesn't seem to go anywhere.

      May 1, 2012 at 8:12 pm Reply
    2. Anonymouse

      May it end soon… I'm kinda tired of the things personally.

      May 1, 2012 at 8:16 pm Reply
    3. DarthNefarius

      It would not take that much efort on CCP's part to have an endgame of the Sansha incursion & bring about a new Incursion… They can't spice things up & restrict the ISK faucet? come on CCP how about an sleeper incursion were therats drop nano ribbons or a drone Incursion that drops moon goo?

      May 2, 2012 at 4:51 am Reply
    4. reerah

      They have said that incursions will stay, but they will not always be sansha. I'm sure we will see the rest of the pirate factions eventually, and probably a new supercarrier for each one.

      Considering the supercarrier blueprint, i doubt they will get rid of sansha incursions so that the reverent can't be gotten anymore when the thing hasn't even been seen in battle. I think that would be too limited and it would be nice if the faction capitals were eventually seen and used on occasion.

      Maybe they will add pirate factions here and there to an "incursion possibility list" and we will see different incursions by different factions around the galaxy at the same time (though i'm sure the carebears would quickly figure out which one's the easiest and ignore the others).

      May 2, 2012 at 8:07 am Reply
      1. dfgdfg

        hopefully ccp won't be so lame as to pretend a pirate faction switch is a whole new expansion basis….

        May 2, 2012 at 8:11 am Reply
  5. Agent

    I have to point out a few flaws in your article:

    1. Spending the ISK on ships and mods and the like is not an isk drain. A proper isk drain/sink removes the ISK from the game. All that does is remove it from one person's pocket and into another. Still more ISK in the game, thus not really a drain.

    2. Unless the twitter pic lies, I think CCP Affinity is a she.

    May 1, 2012 at 10:09 am Reply
    1. Die Carebears

      Yup! CCP Affinity is a she

      May 1, 2012 at 11:39 am Reply
    2. bagehi

      The isk drain is LP+isk trade-ins for faction modules sold to the incursion runners. It is an isk sink, once removed. Though it is more of an LP sink really.

      May 1, 2012 at 3:18 pm Reply
      1. THE GHOST OF ALTAIR

        So demands goes up, Price goes up! and no one can afford shinnies except incursion barons. Is that it?

        May 1, 2012 at 10:02 pm Reply
      2. Agent

        The LP store is a bit of an ISK sink, true, but not officer mods and carrier alts as the poster suggests.

        May 2, 2012 at 6:53 am Reply
  6. Imigo

    "no one is taking this massive isk income and investing or putting it in the bank"

    On that note, I'm opening an EVE Bank that will pay 7.5% on every ISK deposited. Solid as I reckon.

    May 1, 2012 at 10:19 am Reply
  7. Josh27

    It was needed… however I find it interesting that tech moons still remain untouched after so many years. 2 sources of over-income for little effort, and its the incursions they rush to fix. The difference between the 2 is that the incursions don't have the CSM protecting them, hence why tech moons are still yet to be corrected.

    May 1, 2012 at 10:35 am Reply
    1. Devore

      Yes, that's why every Joe and his dog will now be able to get tech from planets.

      May 1, 2012 at 10:45 am Reply
    2. DarthNefarius

      You can tell the CSM's are protecting wormholes too
      You can't argue that tech moons create INCREDIBLE wealth.

      May 2, 2012 at 4:55 am Reply
    3. Tallian

      Tech moons don't create isk. The issue with incursions isn't that people were getting rich, it that the amount of isk being dumped into the economy was too much.

      Also, moongoo is going away anyway, it just takes ALOT more than a simple rebalance to fix that issue, it takes a redesign.

      May 2, 2012 at 12:04 pm Reply
  8. Just a Guy

    The nerf to the Drone Regions was more about slowing the production of supercapitals than anything else. That's why the effort to make it balanced to other areas was half hearted. I mean to be balanced they'd need hauler spawns, officer spawns, some sort of special desired mods that would drop, and higher level complexes as well as more mini profession sites like gas clouds. Not to mention how poor the area is in moons.

    Prices are returning more to what minerals were before the drone regions were introduced. It is not likely there will be enough miners or even enough belts to sustain supercap production at previous levels. Although there will be some stabilization in the market in the next 90 days, I would not expect prices to come down any significant amount without changes to mining mechanics, there simply are not enough miners to bring in the amount of materials drone poo was bringing. However as I pointed out that's what CCP wants, they don't want as many materials because of the supercap blobs.

    May 1, 2012 at 10:42 am Reply
    1. hirrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

      this has done nothing to slow super production, just sayin

      May 1, 2012 at 12:12 pm Reply
      1. not yet cos the mins fron drone alloys has yet to dry up… keep killing those supers and soon you'll start to see the shortfall in minerals

        May 2, 2012 at 10:26 am Reply
        1. ...

          If they want to stop super production… change all existing prints to bpc's and take the bpo's off the market. Then stop seeding any super prints on the market until the number of them comes down.

          May 3, 2012 at 10:20 pm Reply
    2. Just the truth

      Well if their objective is to slow down the super capital production is as easy as multiply x2 or x3 the mineral requirements for their construction and do not fuck the whole market by making EVERYTHING x2 expensive.

      May 7, 2012 at 2:08 pm Reply
  9. Dont Care

    so they nerfed income so badly they are driving carebears back from actually working within eve and learning other players and actually playing in a social aspect and your happy that all those carebears are back in their missions, completely antisocial, still buying their deadspace mods….to make their missions run faster so no change there moron.

    They had to pay more than missions, that was their social score fo forming a fleet,and they earnt less than a NULL SAFE SANCTUM faming in carriers, or heaven forbid your tech moon AFK bankroll. Yeah they could be dull, but i sure enjoyed meeting players after years of just jumping in and do a couple of missions that ARE SO DULL.

    CCP wont see a big drop in subs, but if its the deathknell of incursions, then its going to sad to see all that dev work get binned.

    May 1, 2012 at 11:19 am Reply
    1. Die Carebears
      May 1, 2012 at 11:36 am Reply
    2. Lan

      But now you have more time to "Socialize" in fleets and during sites.

      May 1, 2012 at 3:45 pm Reply
      1. masterochi

        Socialize? You've got to be kidding. Eve is an Anti-Social MMO. I don't trust my corp mates and I doubt they trust me. Eve is designed to destroy trust.

        Everyone has an incentive to stab their corpies in the back everyday.
        Why do you think everybods disses "carebears" for producing anything? I give up on Mining, you lose a Hulk before its even mad your isk back. No more mining for me. And Incursions? Never made a dime off those. I tried and it cost me a billion to replace my Bhagglorn… bastards!

        Anything shiny in Eve is a trap.

        May 1, 2012 at 7:21 pm Reply
        1. Lan

          well they are still clinging to their argument about "socializing aspect of incursions" . Now they have more time to do so 😀

          May 1, 2012 at 8:03 pm Reply
        2. Tallian

          I'm sorry you don't trust your corp mates. Maybe you should find a corp actually worth being in.

          May 2, 2012 at 12:09 pm Reply
        3. OMGFrigates Warpout

          It may not be that you are in a shit corp. I will say that it probally isn't a far stretch to believe your corp thinks you are shit however.

          May 2, 2012 at 6:42 pm Reply
    3. bullshit

      1. Highsec incursions paid out twice as much as running a sanctum in a carrier. And carrier ratting is not safe.

      2. Your average alliance member never sees tech moon profit. Only the alliance leaders who own the moon mining POS get any of it.

      3. People don't socialize in incursions. It's regular grinding, but with some mouth breather saying, "OK everyone shoot the two augas….. now the second deltole" every few minutes

      4. Incursions are still profitable, you don't need to run level 4 missions. They just don't pay out the "OMG 200 mil an hour! 2:40 OTAs!" anymore

      May 1, 2012 at 5:52 pm Reply
  10. Die Carebears

    "If you have a free afternoon and feel like making half a billion isk in 5 hours while your eyes bleed, by all means, go join an Incursion fleet"

    This statement is sooo true after the nerf. Not only are VG's slow as hell, but AS and HQ sites feel terribly slow as well. The change to blitzing and how fast the influence bar moves makes it much harder to complete any kind of site fast enough for a pretty long time.

    You still get more isk compared to lvl 4's post nerf, although i personally prefer hi/null sec plexes when i'm desperate for isk.

    May 1, 2012 at 11:30 am Reply
    1. Morg.

      You mean before the nerf. And those 100 mil an hour were only accessible to shiny fleets, not any random pickup (I do remember making 140 in a very good fleet though) – and in good conditions. Most people doing incursions averaged below 40 including lfg and all.

      May 1, 2012 at 11:59 am Reply
      1. candles.

        legion fleets sustained 130+ mill per hour. with changing lfm and all that shit. even with 5 legions and 3 oneis you sustained 110+ mills.

        May 1, 2012 at 7:05 pm Reply
    2. DarthNefarius

      Making 1 billion in 5 hours in HI SEC Incursions is BULLSHIT thats how I know you don't know what you are talking about. Looks there was l an edit 1/2 a billion over 5 billion was possible & could be exceeded.

      May 1, 2012 at 6:39 pm Reply
  11. Old Vet

    Well, I personally think that these changes are a step in the right direction. I have been in game since '03 and have watched EVE erode from where, in the good old days, getting a new ship meant something… You had to work for it ..
    These days, ISK is so easy that it has really lost a lot of it's meaning. Prices are going through the roof. So what? Everything will re-balance and I think this was a master stroke from CCP. Instead of buffing the shit out of everything, pull the rug out on minerals. Skyrocketing mineral prices achieve so many things in one swing of the nerf bat:
    1) Mining as a profession returns to viability
    2) super cap production comes under control
    3) entire classes of ships in-game become viable again without having to play with any re balancing due to cost
    4) you open up new need for basic Meta 0 modules that are something a new indy to the game can actually produce.

    I for one am looking forward to what Inferno brings and for the first time in a long time I find myself on the edge of my seat waiting to see how this all shakes out :)

    May 1, 2012 at 12:22 pm Reply
  12. Incursion "PvP" is quite real: when you finish the site faster than the other guys, you get all the reward and they don't. That is why there is value in pimping a ship to get through sites 1% faster,

    May 1, 2012 at 12:51 pm Reply
  13. Wombat_King

    Was once told I couldn't fly incursions because I wasn't willing to spend all my isk on shiny things for the sole purpose of running incursions to make ISK…

    The amount of rage when I reveal I'm using meta 4 guns……. its simply delicious.

    May 1, 2012 at 1:35 pm Reply
  14. Pvper/ incursion alt

    I have to say this report is a bit off. Il admit vanguards were out of sync with the rest of eve. However they only became so easy BECAUSE of the logi pilots.
    Also I dont know what the other sites are like now but HQ`s were actually difficult for a logi pilot. Keeping tabs on a 30 man fleet having to switch back and forth, overloading reps to keep certian squishy people alive…. that is not easy mode.
    Also you will find a good number of incursion runners are pvp alts to fund thier pvp addiction.

    May 1, 2012 at 1:52 pm Reply
    1. LFarm

      When the incursion interdiction was going on, we did our last mom fleet with 7 logi and 20 T1 armor battleships (Abaddons, Armageddons and even an armor drake), we did the site and didn't even get paid because we didn't have enough people on site. Our FC was FCing this site for the first time and also our hacker (though they had been tutored by Ammzi, which knew incursions forward and backward).

      May 1, 2012 at 3:43 pm Reply
      1. DarthNefarius

        How long did it take to finish that site?

        May 1, 2012 at 6:36 pm Reply
        1. LFarm

          a good while, but it was a mom site and we wanted to end the incursion anyway.

          Still , I quoted it because he was complaining about having to rep 30 people in fleet. It was doable with a small number of logi/dps ratio.

          May 1, 2012 at 7:51 pm Reply
    2. BillyBob

      Oh dear, you mean they almost have to put in as much work flying logi in an incursion as a real logi pilot does in any other fleet. Oh the humanity.

      May 1, 2012 at 5:00 pm Reply
      1. Stainless

        Incursions are still easy mode for Logi. Lower fleet numbers less primary swapping and very low alpha and above all no bombing runs.

        Wish they left low and null sec Incs alone and just nerfed High sec though.

        May 2, 2012 at 6:39 am Reply
  15. droljica

    hahahahhahahaha….moar tears…..hahahahaha

    And yes, incursions were important income for what, 500 peeps max. ,,, well fuck u now, find a new job

    May 1, 2012 at 2:59 pm Reply
    1. THE GHOST OF ALTAIR

      Cool blooded lmao

      May 1, 2012 at 10:20 pm Reply
  16. anry

    This guy does not know much about incursions, does he? All he did, spend 5 minutes in some strange and unnamed incursion channel.

    May 1, 2012 at 4:18 pm Reply
  17. dod

    Conspicuous consumption.

    May 1, 2012 at 4:23 pm Reply
  18. ViperRum

    P.s. Now, if someone more in tune with economic trends could explain to me why everything in Eve costs twice as much as it did 2 months ago…

    Really? You need an explanation for this after you just wrote a post that points to the reason? Really? Let me see, if we put more money in people's hands, but don't really change the number of goods what happens….hmmmm…I'm gonna guess inflation for $1,000 Alex.

    May 1, 2012 at 5:35 pm Reply
  19. Somedude

    lol ever since the Incursion nerf all i been running is assaults with the guys and girls and i'm making around 200 mil more a day!

    May 1, 2012 at 5:39 pm Reply
    1. DarthNefarius

      2/3rds the Assault sites actually take longer now. CCP lied in the Escalation feature page when they said Assault Invasions were sped up. I expect more lies in the future.

      May 1, 2012 at 8:18 pm Reply
  20. THE GHOST OF ALTAIR

    Its never ceases to amaze me how people jump in and out of real life discussions and examples in order to argue what they want eve to be. You guys are a bunch of whiners all your incursion tears are making me thirsty.

    Damn baller blockers

    May 1, 2012 at 5:58 pm Reply
  21. Toby

    This seems to be part of the same weird elitist point of view i keep hearing from EVE players. These people are complaining for a fair reason, the way they enjoyed playing the game has been changed for the worse in their eyes.

    If the way you enjoyed playing the game was changed im pretty sure you would complain to (there are an awfull ot of examples of null seccers complaiing about mechanic changes). Some people enjoying buying expensive ships and fitting them with the most expensive equipment and some people enjoy fitting ships cheaply for more risky situations such as PVP, neither is right or wrong they are simply doing what makes them happy and these modules do exist for a reason, answer me honestly have you never in your life bought something more expensive that it needed to be simply because of the brand and the association that had with you regardless of the actually known quality of the item.

    There seems to be this weird divide between people who like PVE and people who like PVP, it can become really snobbish and makes allot of you come off sounding like douche bags. Its almost as if the presence of people in high sec mission running/incrusion running/mining offends you and is in some way intoloreble, were it not for high sec there would be far less targets to attack, half as much fun burning Jita and barely any action during hulkageddon.

    By writing an article like this or spending all your time whining about care bears you are essentially as bad as the worst "carebears" themselves, maybe what you should do is spend more time trying to kill them instead of complaining about how they like to play games, find ways to get them invloved in null and low if you think what they are doing is so wrong, educate them and make the game better for everyone.

    May 1, 2012 at 6:36 pm Reply
    1. nullisucks

      Welcome to EVE.

      If they nerf whatever you do it's 'CCP sucks' and 'not fair'

      If they nerf what other ppl do it's 'about time' and 'cry moar'

      May 2, 2012 at 7:06 am Reply
    2. Tallian

      In EVE, if you are not willing to fight for what you have, you do not deserve to keep it. Carebears are generally not willing to fight to keep what they have, and should not be allowed to have those goodies in such a safe way.

      May 2, 2012 at 11:59 am Reply
  22. DarthNefarius

    "P.s. Now, if someone more in tune with economic trends could explain to me why everything in Eve costs twice as much as it did 2 months ago…"
    Well the NERF is probably going to near 1/2 Incursion ISK income and yet I'll bet you bounties will more then make up the loses (curious what % will be from new drone ISK faucet ). Over next 2 months expect to see prices further increase in inflation & CCP Soundwave's threat of a 10% nerf across all BOUNTIES will be instituted. I'm curious why sleeper blue loot wasn't addressed too in his ten ton hammer video but then again maybe he considers them a bounty ( they fauceted more ISK then Incursions over the same period of time in Eve )

    May 1, 2012 at 6:45 pm Reply
  23. anonymous

    As someone who ran incursions I can safely say that your assumption that all incursion runners only put their isk in their incursion ships and did nothing but run incursions all day is so far fetched that it is easy to tell how far removed you are from what many actually did. Many including myself would run a few days or a week and then put that money into pvp. I only put as much into my incursion ship as was required to be competitive which wasn't much. Full officer fittings were unusual and anyone using officer guns is dumb for not realizing t2 does more damage.

    May 1, 2012 at 7:36 pm Reply
    1. Totenkopf

      Fucking this. Quite a significant portion of the incursion runners were alts of (usually 0.0) PvPers who did incursions because it was an effective way to fund PvP, and somewhat less mind-numbing than other things.

      Well, was nice while it lasted, back to staring at POS reactors and market orders.

      May 1, 2012 at 9:29 pm Reply
  24. Bring out your tears

    Oh boy! All these carebear tears are awesome! Let them flow! Is there a market for these?

    May 1, 2012 at 9:00 pm Reply
  25. M1k3y

    So many incursion bear tears… http://static.fjcdn.com/comments/Supplying+_cb26c

    Nerf tech moons so alliance dont have AFK isk to build their supers and EVE will be perfect

    May 1, 2012 at 9:24 pm Reply
  26. Amused

    I find it interesting that this guy over and over refers to incursion runners as carebears. Yes, I get it, a lot of people are simply going to stick to em for their gaming time, which in the end is like mowing the grass only to sit and watch it for a week to wait to mow it again, it serves no purpose outside of simple maintenance. Just how incursions for many of us just serves as quick isk to take care of things before we head off elsewhere. But it remains amusing that in this game, if somebody isn't doing ur brand of gaming, I'm speaking to those who think that you can only be nullsec, you immediately title them as carebear. Ignorance is bliss I guess.

    May 1, 2012 at 9:57 pm Reply
  27. Bob

    PS. Stuff costs more because minerals cost more. A lot of people blame(d) incursions, but yeah.

    May 2, 2012 at 10:02 am Reply
    1. DarthNefarius

      Now that incursins have been nerfed to hell what will all the NULL & W-space whiners blame inflation on next?

      May 2, 2012 at 9:22 pm Reply

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