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Wilhelm Arcturus, he’s played internet spaceship related games since the early days of MegaWars III, and expects to get the hang of things any day now. He reports on EVE from an individual capsuleer’s point of view at TAGN.

TAGN: Six Fleets in Venal

As previously mentioned, after the war in Tenal came to a quick end, the focus of the CFC seemed set to turn on the truce breaking Northern Coalition and their tech moons in the Venal region.

This was confirmed last night (my time) at the State of the Goonion, where The Mittani outlined the plan for the CFC to go for a maximum effort this weekend in Venal to try to start and end this moon war in the north.

Alliances in the North

The call to arms seems to have worked. I got on an hour late and found all the fleets not only out, but pretty much full. I slept in a bit and now I have to wait for a reinforcement fleet.

But from the sound of things on fleet coms, where I spent a brief time this morning, things are going well for the CFC. The Mittani linked to a screen shot of a fleet of 175 dreadnaughts destroying a tower.

Dreadnaughts Attack

It is a wide-screen picture, so you have to click on it to be able to see capital ships clearly. You can also see the soon-to-be-destroyed moon harvesting array in the blast.

A moon harvesting array

So, it may be true that Vince Draken, leader of Northern Coalition, has decided not to contest the moons in Venal given the large forces that the CFC was able to muster.

Or they may be laying low. Since the moons in Venal lay between the two parties, there is the potential for this to turn into a long guerrilla war with each side preying on the moons of the other. And there is still another day to go in the offensive. There is still plenty of time for things to get hot.

Also mentioned in the State of the Goonion was the fact that the CFC is not going to invade Cobalt Edge where Intrepid Crossing lives, though it was promised that if they became involved in the moon war in Venal that the CFC would come in and destroy their capital ship assembly arrays (CSAAs), thus setting back severely any of their capital ship production.

There was also mention of some sort of agreement with Ev0ke, whom the Goons have been fighting with since the dawn of time. This involved them relinquishing some moons that they had previously taken. I was actually on an op last night that was focused on taking back a moon in Pure Blind.

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135 Comments

  1. shadoo

    idiot goons turning this game into a blobfest

    April 16, 2012 at 11:56 pm Reply
    1. Goonman

      Watch and learn

      April 17, 2012 at 12:10 am Reply
      1. He who was there

        It's amazing so many people fail to read the second part in GoonSWARM.

        April 17, 2012 at 2:56 pm Reply
    2. OhReally?

      Seem to recall another blobfest going after the north not to long ago.

      April 17, 2012 at 12:25 am Reply
      1. anonymous

        They had less people then the people they were fighting and their supercaps logged in while the NC's didn't. Numbers during the war were over 50-60k NC members vs 20-25k DRF/PL/NC./Evoke. If you don't believe me go take a look at all the threads from about a year ago.

        April 17, 2012 at 12:29 am Reply
        1. hey

          blobbing is about numbers in fleet, not alts in alliances 😀

          April 17, 2012 at 1:43 am Reply
          1. zef

            err. not rly.

            if im in a 500 man alliance fighting against a 5000 man alliance should i only bring 50 people because i know that the 5000 man alliance cant field anymore?

            not really right?

            April 17, 2012 at 9:20 pm
        2. Goonmoo

          It's really simple: Goons are pussies, period.
          As long as they don't outnumber you at least 3:1 they won't fight.

          Which is really the annoying thing. I mean, there are 500 people in 4 mixed fleets in system all fired up to get killed and our spies tell us the 700 Goons next door are rather jerking off each other in local and go back blueballing.

          What the hell man, don't waste the time of us AND your mindless drones – whatever happened to welping whole Maelstrom fleets? Really too expensive?

          April 17, 2012 at 2:52 am Reply
          1. Jelly

            Blue balling is a strategy that is pulled on both sides. Raiden has done that several times earlier in the war for Tenal. They would reinforce towers. We'd both form up to save but they just sit on their titan for half an hour before standing down. The next day, they'd do the same thing. Wars are sometimes about stamina and getting people riled up towards an overarching goal. If you can't do that on more than one day, you're losing. I don't know how else to put it.

            April 17, 2012 at 4:57 am
          2. Buggrit

            Its a valid tactic. Also it causes your opponent to think it won't be serious the time you actually are. Pisses off the line troopers who burn out.

            April 17, 2012 at 9:08 am
          3. Spangleadesh

            RDN blueballed when was pointless fighting though, lets be fair here. If CFC has 1k in system and know full well 100 dread waiting to jump in your not gonna engage back end of your prime (running into CFC prime) when your 5:1 outnumbers and if engage you get your titan fleet pinned down.

            Goons on the other hand wont engage unless hvae at least 3:1 and even then blueball – the difference is RDN did it as risk was too high, CFC did it because wasnt a certain win even though was wasting 1k of thier own members time.

            April 17, 2012 at 9:38 am
          4. HereWeGo

            lolz Raiden.dot & Pets what a bunch they are so hypercritical, They moan about CFC yet its takes Raiden.dot and their Pets.

            Here goes the Raid's pet list – Pinked, The Jagged Alliance,The Irukandji, Apocalyptic Legion, Ushra'Khan (EVE-UNION ) and Broken Toys. Hold on and when CFC are not beating on NC.dot – NC.dot have the customary cloaky faggots cyno, hot dropping Brix/Mode/S'Effect arse. "Yes" this what they bring because they are out numbered ofc?

            So please Raiden.dot and Co stop crying about blobs you are just being out blobbed like poor old Brix are out blobbled by you whiners and we still jump into your blob and several sc's DON'T we.

            We are having a blast and when you kick us, then we do something else and we will move to NPC space and blob 50 man corp, so stfu and fight till you lose your moons or a few big toys.

            CFC take them ALL their moons, and when you are done, kill us too, Geminate needs more Hostiles.

            April 17, 2012 at 9:54 am
          5. GOON HATER

            HEY FUKER TRY 2 UNDERSTAND THE PARTIS HERE….RAIDEN NEVER TAKE ANY OTHERS PETS IN FLEET . SO ALWAY WE FIGHT U OUTNUMBER AND EVEN SO U RUN LIKE SHIT….SO U CRY LIKE PUSSY FOR NERF AND MORE NERF SO U CAN DO ONLY THING U KNOW ((( BLOW…AND THEN F1)
            FOR WTF CCP MAKE TIDI…FUR FUKING GOONS ….NOB TARD

            April 17, 2012 at 12:19 pm
          6. Imigo

            my eyes hurt now.

            April 18, 2012 at 1:11 am
          7. Warlord

            If Goons are pussies, then why are 2 of the most well known PVP alliances, Evoke and PL, running scared of them and begging for deals from CFC to have peace between them?!?

            April 17, 2012 at 7:37 am
          8. cucubau

            why would PL and evoke beg CFC. What do they have to loose?

            April 17, 2012 at 8:56 am
          9. Warlord

            Dunno, but they have both made deals with CFC to avoid facing them in combat. With the stance against RMT and the removal of ships, I'm guessing their source of never ending ISK and ships have dried up, so they are more afraid of losing their ships now.

            April 17, 2012 at 9:06 am
          10. whyjita

            because nobody likes structure shooting and even worse structure repairing.
            thats why we see those tech treaties

            April 17, 2012 at 10:05 am
          11. trollolo

            i love structure shooting ^^

            a shitload of kills in under 5 minutes.

            April 17, 2012 at 11:27 am
          12. eve idiot

            moons idiot. pixel riches, internet space and other internet space man stuff.

            April 17, 2012 at 1:26 pm
          13. Some Dude

            Well, at the fight in Venal that provoked DBRB into raiding Cobalt Edge, Evoke had a fair sized fleet of their own, and PL had a small, cyno-equipped presence. I wouldn't be so sure that Goons have successfully cowed either group.

            April 17, 2012 at 2:41 pm
          14. Anom

            so DBRB was advancing in another direction as happened to be away from ev0ke fleet and pl cyno?

            *thinking cap*

            April 17, 2012 at 9:28 pm
          15. Mr_Gr3y

            Perhaps you're slow on the uptake but that's been the goon's tactic from the beginning, they out number you, they SWARM you.

            If you have 500 well train well shipped pilots, of course they're not going to take on in Drakefleets.

            If you want a fight, get in decent ships, try to conceal your numbers and fight them on "their" terms.

            April 17, 2012 at 12:52 pm
          16. Round & Round We Go

            They aren't pussies, they just choose to engage in fights that they win. They win the majority of fights otherwise they would be in a state of constant retreat from Delve, to Tenal, to Vale of the Silent.

            I feel people are just angry that the CFC has found a way to play the game that suits them, and win in doing so. So they nitpick things like blobbing. Is blobbing annoying? Of course it is, but then again so is losing. Anytime an entity wins the losing scrubs point to something and say "see that's why they are winning, and its not fair!"

            This happens to EVERYONE. Maybe its PL and their metagaming, Raiden. with superblobs, CFC with subcapblobs, Northern Coalition with its extensive blue list, DRF with its RMT, or <insert whatever my EVE short history has forgotten>.

            Stop complaining about how you are losing to unfair tactics, contact the enemies of your enemy who can be your allies and devise a strategy to beat them. The CFC is hardly unbeatable. I can say that they won't be beaten (or stop blobbing) by your shouts of ungentlemanly conduct.

            April 17, 2012 at 8:56 pm
          17. Imigo

            My only issue with your comment is "DRF with its RMT" – botting and RMT are outside the rules of the game, while everything else you mentioned is within them. If it's cheezy or cheap tactics (like Neutral RR) it's still within the rules of the game no matter how much you or I or anybody else might not like it. Cheating however is not ok.

            April 17, 2012 at 9:02 pm
          18. Round & Round We Go

            Okay, I agree. It was added in as an afterthought. Maybe I should have substituted "The Orphanage with their neutral RR".

            Point taken sir.

            April 17, 2012 at 9:15 pm
          19. ViperRum

            What a reasonable and rational response to a valid point.

            GTFO!!!!

            This will not be tolerated.

            [/sarcasm]

            Well played.

            April 17, 2012 at 10:22 pm
        3. lol

          DRF, combined with NC/Evove and PL was 11k.

          April 17, 2012 at 10:12 am Reply
    3. spais

      considering half the cfc is team tech spies… I think cfc actually has less members.

      April 17, 2012 at 1:59 am Reply
    4. Mr Biggles

      games always been a bloob fest wasnt goons who did it or are you one of those people who think a 10 man corp should be able to previale over a 200 man corp

      April 17, 2012 at 2:46 am Reply
      1. lol

        It's prevail, cretin.

        April 17, 2012 at 10:12 am Reply
        1. hyrda relaodet

          provil.

          April 17, 2012 at 12:28 pm Reply
        2. Shadowy guy

          no its preanal

          April 17, 2012 at 2:58 pm Reply
    5. sup

      100 titans is not a blopfest because it's only 100 ppl yes?…

      April 17, 2012 at 8:42 pm Reply
  2. Some Dude

    Breaking news:

    NCdot called in ewoks, evoke and IRC to help out with a fight in venal. IRC sent a small fleet to venal, but never actually engaged in the fight, instead opting to duke it out with a -A- oracle fleet in Tribute: http://irc.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_i

    Meanwhile, DBRB's alt, Jarna Civire, convo'd the IRC fleet, and said, basically, "Mittens warned you, you ignored it, now your CSAA's are in trouble." DBRB then raced his 200 goon fleet back to Cobalt Edge, attacked a JB POS and a CSAA POS. IRC put up a Maelstrom fleet and a harassing bomber fleet, and NCdot brought in a small Tengu fleet, but without much effect.

    It is unclear at this point whether:

    – Goons ever intended to NOT attack IRC;
    – IRC was intentionally flaunting the "warning" Goons sent them, or just misunderstood what was and wasn't "allowed" according to Mittens blustering;
    – Goons are now going to split their already slightly overextended attention between their so-called "bonus round" against NCdot in Venal and their promised retribution anti-csaa campaign in Cobalt Edge.

    April 16, 2012 at 11:57 pm Reply
    1. CFC grunt

      With the amount of effort the likes of Raiden. and NC. put forth, the scales are favorable for the CFC. Combine this with the fact that the CFC has a silent pact with PL and now Ev0ke and the outcome becomes even more lopsided. IRC are fun fights but not a powerbloc, more like the kid brother that needs a timeout. That leaves entities like AAA, who despite their chestbeating, aren't a threat to the CFC, only the poor newbs blindly jumping into gatecamps.

      The matter of fact is that when a coalition can throw together, two full cap fleets, two full alpha fleets and two drake fleets, you would be unwise to escalate conflicts beyond the friendly roam. Any replies crying about blobs will be dismissed with a roll of the eyes. Please spew your tired arguments to someone who actually cares.

      April 17, 2012 at 12:31 am Reply
      1. Random Miner

        did you basically just say "we're cool' and "no one can complain about blobs, becasue we said you can't first" ?

        April 17, 2012 at 12:44 am Reply
      2. hirrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

        uh scuse me, 175 dreads is not 2 full cap fleets???

        its just over half a cap fleet. I have yet to see goons pull out a 100 man titan fleet, so there is still somethign out there that could royally fuck them up if the other power of eve decided they wanted to fuck goons day up.

        PL + Raiden. +Nc. + Init have the goods to do it, if they banded together

        April 17, 2012 at 3:14 am Reply
        1. Tallian

          The 175 dreads shown there was not the only capfleet out and about, tho even the supercap fleet was in awe of how fast those dreads were melting towers. First one went down in less than 45 seconds….

          April 17, 2012 at 7:14 am Reply
          1. trololo

            Do you siege for 45 seconds? Is it siege red?

            April 17, 2012 at 9:34 am
          2. Tallian

            No, I didn't siege for 45 seconds. I was flying a carrier in a different fleet, so don't know the exact orders handed out to the dreads.

            So sorry to be unable to help.

            April 17, 2012 at 9:41 am
          3. Some guy

            You seem like a reasonable and polite guy….how do you survive being surrounded by goons?

            April 17, 2012 at 4:14 pm
          4. Tallian

            Goon 'Pets' as some people like to call us aren't all like goons, and goons are pretty good guys too, when you are on their side. Their forums are surprisingly well read, tho alot of the well worded content is advice on pulling successful scams.

            Its all about what side of the fence you are on, but everyone involved is human.

            Cept maybe DBRB.

            April 17, 2012 at 4:37 pm
          5. wtf

            Goons are not people.

            Why would we listen to the bullshit propaganda machine put out by Kittens? Who is he to tell anyone anything? Just another boy hiding himself behind the anonymity of the Super Important Internet Spaceship game HE holds so dear.

            Fuck him.

            April 17, 2012 at 7:29 pm
          6. Imigo

            "Just another boy hiding himself behind the anonymity"

            Damnit, there goes another Ironymeter.

            April 17, 2012 at 9:03 pm
        2. lol

          lol init

          PL is too busy getting titan and super kills down in delve to leave for the yawn fest up north. It is one of the most boring campaigns I have been on. Someone stands down, whether it be goons or NC.. Although NC. is rolling out a new naga concept fleet so that might give us a few fights before they realize what a joke it is.

          April 17, 2012 at 7:16 am Reply
        3. HereWeGo

          Uhh Raiden. +Nc. + Init have the goods to do it, if they banded together, I thought they did and lost.
          apart from PL doing their magic and getting fights else where (PL best diplo team in eve).

          April 17, 2012 at 10:30 am Reply
        4. trollolo

          who is Raiden ?

          IRC/NC./Evoke are fighting, even outnumbered, but who is Raiden ?

          April 17, 2012 at 10:37 am Reply
          1. shadoo

            raiden are the people that made you scrubs QQ about titan tracking

            April 17, 2012 at 6:19 pm
      3. Some Dude

        What I can only assume is a nub, that clearly doesn't know eve's history is telling us all whats actually going on, I like his facts about the "two full capital fleets", and how everyone should just give up playing the game, and NIP/NAP goons for good fights/friendly roams.

        We should all just hold hands while singing kumbaya, and blue everyone around us b/c clearly thats how you play this game.

        And another thing, when has IRC ever been considered a powerblock? thier solar pets, and have been for the last two years. Pretty much everything this clown said screams that he has no clue what eve is about, or who is even playing it.

        April 17, 2012 at 4:14 am Reply
        1. Imigo

          What you seem to be failing to realise is that while the old NC embraced the carebear and almost literally /did/ hold hands and sing kumbaya, the CFC is very much not the old NC.

          The old NC was non-expansionist and didn't really invade much, and even when it did it was fairly half-hearted. Of course they didn't have much need to invade anybody to get fights because people would always come to them. Why travel for entertainment when the best entertainers regularly come to your door.

          The CFC is much more inclined to get out and burn you to the ground (for most values of you) than the NC ever was.

          April 17, 2012 at 9:44 am Reply
          1. shadoo

            well where have they moved to and attack than? they are attacking venal because they want to expand to their old master's space. they wont move any furthur than that. they are the exact old nc

            April 17, 2012 at 6:21 pm
          2. Imigo

            If you think that the CFC is exactly the same as the NC, you clearly understand neither.

            April 17, 2012 at 8:26 pm
      4. trololo

        Cool story bro.
        I heard old NC had pretty numbers too.
        But you dont have to worry about the fate of old NC… after all you have PL and ewoke covered, right? Unless ofcourse they decided to backstab you on fist opportunity. But they wouldnt dare would they?

        April 17, 2012 at 9:31 am Reply
    2. anonymous

      In other news Goons killed one tech moon but refused to come to fight over the second because their enemies actually had enough people to put up a fight. Going to be a bad day for goons if enough people join NC.'s side to even out numbers.

      April 17, 2012 at 12:31 am Reply
      1. Mr_Gr3y

        What do you define as "enough people" 2:1 to NC?

        April 17, 2012 at 2:28 am Reply
        1. pretty much yeah

          well considering the goons won't fight unless they outnumber you 3 to 1 then yeah NC getting half as many members as the goons will scare them silly

          April 17, 2012 at 8:26 am Reply
          1. TestGruntBestGrunt

            They're welcome to try.

            Seriously!

            Of course, they *may* rethink about their requirements to join the ~elitepvp~ bunch.

            Not everyone flies a personal carrier.
            Not everyone has 40M+ SP.
            Not everyone has hordes of alts with infinite income to sustain any battle forever.

            I don't blame them. They want to select carefully their pilots. (Well, at least pilots that don't fit gyrostabs on Erebus, at least! 😉 ) That's their full right, and I respect it.

            But if they need numbers, maybe – just maybe – they could be less picky.

            If they keep their elitist stance – which is fine by me – they will *always* be outnumbered. If you paint yourself in the corner of the gaussian, you then shouldn't complain the rest of the world is on the other side.

            April 17, 2012 at 12:32 pm
    3. Dude

      Got to be pretty fucking stupid to think goons wouldn't kill that csaa if there is infact a titan in it.

      Goons word is worthless, always has been. So it's somewhat comical to hear goon leadership threatening to do something, with only thier word as assurence that the csaa won't be harmed.

      April 17, 2012 at 12:58 am Reply
      1. Cfc

        We did keep our word at first we refd it first time they interfered then didn't come kill the rag that had 13 days left in it and warned them if they interfered again we would destroy the csaas They don't want anymore Csaa I guess since they came back

        April 17, 2012 at 2:17 am Reply
        1. Jakes

          I think the point being made is, nobody for a second thinks goons would have kept thier word, they never do, and to imply/believe that the CSAA wouldn't die regardless of if they showed up is ridiculous.

          April 17, 2012 at 2:24 am Reply
          1. Jelly

            Goons will eventually break their word it's just that the people they make deals with are breaking their word first. The world we live in, eh? PL and goons have a good deal going that is continuing. The same deal that NC. had but couldn't seem to keep. I think all this goon hate deserves a little reflection, don't you think?

            April 17, 2012 at 4:51 am
        2. guest

          Without evidence (a goon lossmail with IRC on it, subsequent to said warning) that's just goon's shallow propaganda, since nobody is going to believe it anyway.

          April 17, 2012 at 6:02 am Reply
    4. E-honor

      So IRC attacking -A- in Tribute is considered to be breaking the agreement to not attack CFC in Venal?!? Did I miss something here or are the Goons just breaking their agreement? Gee thats new.

      April 17, 2012 at 7:33 am Reply
    5. HereWeGo

      haha excellent, mind your own busnez I guess, then again did PL/NC.dot put the smack down on IRC in Oasa.

      IRC your mugs for cowering to your tobe-no-tech-team Overlords.

      April 17, 2012 at 9:58 am Reply
    6. Some Dude

      Update:

      Goons and allies returned to YVSL to mete out punnishment by finishing the attack on the csaa pos.

      Didn't quite work out as planned:
      http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=6604

      This is not the end of the story, though. Of course.

      April 18, 2012 at 4:00 pm Reply
  3. Grab a deckchair folks, sit back and relax. The fireworks from this are going to be fucking spectacular.

    April 17, 2012 at 12:09 am Reply
    1. M1k3y
      April 17, 2012 at 1:05 am Reply
  4. solar ally

    fuck i need to grab the popcorn

    April 17, 2012 at 12:18 am Reply
  5. Random Miner

    war means isk for the miner…. so keep up the war effort!

    April 17, 2012 at 12:47 am Reply
  6. Epic Yawnfest

    This senario played out before, Northern massive napfest again, nothing to see here folks move on………

    April 17, 2012 at 12:56 am Reply
    1. Insert Meme Here

      Yup and as soon as something goes wrong, Goons will let NC2 burn again.
      Rinse and repeat.

      April 17, 2012 at 2:41 am Reply
    2. ohhai

      this is true, but in the time it took to kill the north once, tri was swatted away and fail cascaded like 17 thousand times. so tri-harder NC. and pls hurry up and fail cascade a dozen time so the north can get shaken up again

      April 17, 2012 at 3:52 am Reply
    3. sup

      Collecting loads of newbies into a super coalition – somehow piss off all of eve – die in a fire to fewer people

      April 17, 2012 at 9:31 pm Reply
  7. Imigo

    Why do Goons insist on blobbing in a Massively Multiplayer game anyway? I mean only half of the promotional material for EVE features epic fleet fights.

    Everybody should play the way I expect them to so that I don't get any unpleasant surprises, because that takes real skill. Blobbing simply doesn't agree with my world view so all those other people are bad for being different to me.

    So there.

    April 17, 2012 at 1:07 am Reply
    1. Random Miner

      …. yeah… oh hey, i see what you did there

      April 17, 2012 at 1:58 am Reply
    2. Jakes

      Think about how fun the game was back in 07, was alot more fun, there were more big players, not as big or as powerful as the big players of today, but there were many more and you could go out in a small gang, and not get blobbed. No question it was a funner time, and less perdictable. Why goons, or goon pets don't understand this, we may never know, but you can't blaim people for wanting the game they fell in love with back.

      April 17, 2012 at 2:08 am Reply
      1. Imigo

        Yeah, back in 2007 when the average concurrent logins was around half what it is now, the same amount of people online at one time as there is just before downtime now. When it's REALLY quiet and you hardly run into anybody you're naturally unlikely to be blobbed.

        April 17, 2012 at 4:04 am Reply
        1. Some Dude

          What he said was actually true, it was much easier to find good fights back then, I use to fly like five gate jumps, and fight my neighbours all the time, and I think most would agree a 30 versus 30 is a much better experience then a 500 versus 500, or whatever stupid number the CFC puts together. In all honesty, Nullsec atleast feels emptier now then it did back then. I blaim alot of the emptiness on tech, back then people did PvE stuff alot more, and you could always find people to gank, now people sit in station and ship spin b/c thier ship replacment programs means they don't need to do as much PvE crap to afford shps to fight in. This is something CCP, and the CSM have been talking about for a good year now. The truth is, back then nullsec had more people actually flying around in space, even thought the game pop. may have been lower.

          April 17, 2012 at 4:39 am Reply
          1. Tallian

            Gonna point out that people still complained about blobs back then, and as far back as 06 when I started. Admittedly, the blobs then complained about were 30 man blobs, and a 100 man fleet would kill the server, but hey, it was way better, right?

            Sorry, I like small gangs, but I also like the epic battles.

            On a random stoned note, maybe we should have CFC leadership challenge all comers to Epic Rap Battles of History in order to determine sov?

            April 17, 2012 at 7:22 am
          2. Imigo

            Quite.

            Tech is certainly a factor in providing bigger more concentrated fights, but if you're complaining about the numbers one entity can bring to a fight you also need to consider how many people are actually playing the game in the first place.

            Check http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility to see what I mean – in 2007 the daily average never goes much over 20k (which is about as many as there are at the quietest time now), and now it's around 32k.

            The issue I have with the blob whining is that I have no trouble finding small gang fights. Sure, having 0.0 sov occupancy incredibly high would be nice so that finding small gang fights would be easy (and let's face it, it wouldn't be as satisfying if everything were easy), but most players have caught on to what is effective and what isn't and new players are picking up the tricks from older players too.

            What Goons and CFC have done is found what works in the game environment AS IT IS, rather than whining about how they would /like/ it to be. Adapt or die.

            "Why everybody else don't understand this, we may never know, but you can't blame people for doing what's successful." FTFY

            April 17, 2012 at 8:26 am
          3. foobarwhat

            so goons never whined about the current titan tracking right?

            April 17, 2012 at 9:18 am
          4. Spangleadesh

            Or supers being OP or log off mechanics lol

            April 17, 2012 at 9:30 am
          5. Imigo

            and nobody but Goons thought these were good ideas right???

            I'm all for proposing reasonable changes to improve the game, but whining that other people have found a means to benefit and protect their own interests in the current environment is ultimately futile.

            April 17, 2012 at 9:35 am
          6. Fishfillet

            One change that needed to happen years ago back when old NC was still around, and to this day still encourages blobs, is blues being able to use jb's, and blues beimg able to use titan bridges. I'd love to see them removed altogether to be honest.

            April 17, 2012 at 5:28 pm
          7. Imigo

            Arbitrary restrictions are counter-productive to an emergent sandbox. Besides, people will just find a way to work around it to do what works for them, they always do.

            April 17, 2012 at 8:25 pm
      2. TestGruntBestGrunt

        Back in 07 you (and me, for that matter) was MUCH less of a bittervet than you are now.

        The key part here is "bitter", not "vet".

        Every game is glorious when you start it and everything is novelty and oooh-aaah. It washes away with time, in a far too natural way. The game is not any worse now than when you were a hopeless noob. Just your perception is different. The game nowadays is just as great, because – being a sandbox, you know – the game is what you make out of it.

        April 17, 2012 at 11:57 am Reply
    3. iMongo

      Yeah, and why are there still people insisting on not nerfing Titans that can blap Battleships in seconds and hold their ground against the blob anyway? I mean, only half of the promotional material for EVE features giant ISK-, time-, effort-, skill-intensive space penises.

      Everybody should blob because it's obviously the only successful form of teamplay, brings together the best players and doesn't allow any mistakes. Skill should not compensate numbers and doesn't agree with my world view so all those other people are bad for being different to me.

      So dere.

      April 17, 2012 at 2:34 am Reply
  8. plexforceone

    The most powerful coalition in the game ever.

    Glad to be a part of it o7o7o7o7o7 m8m8m8m8

    April 17, 2012 at 1:37 am Reply
    1. shadoo

      "The most populated coalition in the game ever. "

      there fixed it for you

      April 17, 2012 at 5:24 am Reply
      1. Tallian

        Still not as big as the old NC.

        Working on it tho.

        April 17, 2012 at 7:15 am Reply
        1. sup

          so true.. and 170 man dread fleets are only amazeballs for those who don't follow eve history. Pretty sure that there were 200 v 200 dread fights before the nerf, and I know for a fact that carriers has been used as tanky guards/scimis for a lot of those epic big fights

          April 17, 2012 at 9:29 pm Reply
  9. Mr_Gr3y

    Certainly hope that Nc will be able to muster up a decent fleet once in a blue moon.

    April 17, 2012 at 2:20 am Reply
    1. shadoo

      than dont bring 1500 people to fight 200

      April 17, 2012 at 5:18 am Reply
      1. Tallian

        1500 seems about right for 200 supercaps.

        Even then the titans will still blap us unmercifully.

        April 17, 2012 at 7:16 am Reply
      2. lol

        They probably shouldn't have broken the treaty if they didn't want to fight the cfc. This isn't news that the CFC can field a shit load of people.

        April 17, 2012 at 7:19 am Reply
        1. anonymous

          They decided to help Raiden but took too long to do it and when they entered Raiden officially backed out

          April 17, 2012 at 12:12 pm Reply
      3. noob

        Maybe it's you that shouldn't bring 200 to fight 1500.

        April 17, 2012 at 1:53 pm Reply
  10. The Observer

    God damn it…and just when I thought the Northern Coalition was gone, it gets re-incarnated into the GSF/CFC

    (read that carefully. Smart people will get it)

    April 17, 2012 at 2:26 am Reply
    1. Gunny

      It was the NC that gave Goons Deklien in the first place and set the table for them. NC collapses, goons take over and suround themselfs with worthless meatshields like FA, Blackmark, lawn and turn overTenal to the one decent Corp (Razor) they have, smart move IMO.

      April 17, 2012 at 9:35 am Reply
  11. Poastin Toaster

    goons didn't achieve their objecting this weekend. also goons scared of IRC.

    April 17, 2012 at 2:31 am Reply
    1. <3 <3

      You sir, lack brain cells .

      April 17, 2012 at 3:35 am Reply
    2. A Pilot

      No one is scared of IRC, but everyone enjoys fighting IRC. They might not win every fight, but damned if they don't formup and fight majority of the fleets that go to Cobalt Edge.

      April 17, 2012 at 8:59 pm Reply
  12. daniellsiata

    Inb4 mass Super deaths.

    Oh god this will be glorious, I don't give a single shit who dies either vOv

    April 17, 2012 at 6:16 am Reply
  13. lol

    goons online!

    April 17, 2012 at 6:50 am Reply
  14. TEST

    Oh look the anti blobs blobbed the blobbers… how quaint…

    April 17, 2012 at 6:52 am Reply
  15. South4ever!

    Invading the south was such a great idea! lol
    Just a pity PL gets to throw NC under the bus and worm its way out of losing the moons it can't defend

    April 17, 2012 at 7:38 am Reply
  16. Xain deSleena

    When you are in those massive blob fleets it can be quite fun. Knowing that you have a much better chance of survival. Also watching the enemy run is a laugh a minute on comms when you outnumber then enemy 5-1. This old tried and tested tactic of Goonswarm will come to an end one day. Waiting patiently for that day to arrive at the feet of Goonswarm will be better than a thousand blob fests and lost Tech moons. What Goonswarm cannot see is that the day is almost here. When that day comes I will say 'I told you so'

    April 17, 2012 at 7:56 am Reply
    1. Buggrit

      So you mean they can get victories now and defeats later, or defeats now AND later?

      That'll be a hard choice…

      April 17, 2012 at 9:13 am Reply
  17. FAgrunt

    Confirming we incapped a jump bridge and reinforced a CSAA.
    And killed assorted IRC failures.

    April 17, 2012 at 8:29 am Reply
  18. Zarks

    directorbot: They did not bow to our superior blobbing, and as predicted we killed some tengus and recons. Alas, we also traded about equal numbers in dreads because we are terrible at this game (in many ways). If you would like to hear some of those ways I will happily explain them in the fleet we're forming to go take even more tech. Maybe they'll drop supers on us again and I'll actually have dictors in fleet this time.

    FC: Lake || Alphafleet (maels/scorps), Formup CS- (some safe place). Op1 Comms. Read the MOTD.

    I need ridiculous scimitar numbers, good dictor numbers (1-2 HICs), a claymore for every wing, and at least 6 instacanes (not welp canes, not other canes, instacanes).

    *** This was a broadcast from Zarks to all-all, replies are not monitored *** http://black-legion.ca/killboard/?a=kill_related&amp;… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuXDRn0p8sA&fe
    http://northern-coalition.co.uk/?a=kill_related&a

    April 17, 2012 at 9:49 am Reply
  19. Mr.H

    lets see now…Goons started a long bloody campaign with taking advantage of WN's leader when he got abducted by Aliens, then on and off with Raiden taking over Tenal for there kid's playground, now the tech moons with NC, i can respect a man that has noble motives or a just cause. but a just cause in stealing tech moons and expanding territory? well its eve i can understanding but try to act civil in local if u can yesterday i saw you guys in local saying Now you fucked up. sense its my alliance policy not to smack talk or reply to you guys i can freely say it here….. "Goon Must Die"!!!!!!!!

    have a good day

    April 17, 2012 at 10:55 am Reply
    1. Imigo

      "noble motives"

      *snicker*

      April 17, 2012 at 11:10 am Reply
    2. Indy

      i doubt 'noble' has a corret application in the context of eve unless u r sarcastic…
      and no smack talk policies sux man, they limit your freedom and take fun away from the 'game' thats why gons have so many pilot, then there is their good location and generally the fact that they get things done, they seem to mostly employ children though… bit like TESTicles

      April 17, 2012 at 11:32 am Reply
    3. Common Sense

      When men are no longer obliged to fight from necessity, they fight from ambition, which passion is so powerful in the hearts of men that it never leaves them, no matter to what height they may rise. – Niccoló Machiavelli, The Discourses. 1517.

      April 18, 2012 at 12:11 am Reply
  20. HereWeGo

    Who's moons is it anyway?

    April 17, 2012 at 12:03 pm Reply
  21. Real Pvper

    0.0 fleet pvp it' s and always been blobby

    DRF+WN+PL+NC+EVOKE have done the same thing when they taken the North, so, Karma is a bitch?

    You can try to come at us bro with your SC blob now

    April 17, 2012 at 12:25 pm Reply
    1. GoonGrunt

      Evoke was never a part of the blobfest that invaded the north 2011.

      April 18, 2012 at 8:20 am Reply
  22. CfC Grunt

    IRC SPace is gonna burn. Forming a 100 man fleet after given clear wqarning that CfC would burn their CSAA'a was stupid. Esspecially as they didnt even enter the fight. Apparenly CfC had 750 ish and NC. / Etc had around 600.

    No major fights and Venal burning CfC has the moons now and can turn its attention to the Colbalt Edge region.

    I hope IRC puts up more resistance than Raiden / NC. etc as the grunts need something other than POS and Modules to shoot.

    April 17, 2012 at 12:33 pm Reply
    1. IRC Pretty Princess

      A: We are not a pet of goons and just because you threaten us doesn't mean shit, in fact that threat only served to piss us off.

      B: You can burn everything we have but we well NEVER do what goons command.

      C: Don't comment on something you weren't even there for. We formed a fleet to fight a 70 man razor tengu fleet in E-Boy.

      D:CFC had around 1200 to 1500 in fleet not 750 fool

      April 17, 2012 at 1:28 pm Reply
      1. Mmkay

        Ignore him, CFC has no intentions of taking your space.

        April 17, 2012 at 2:50 pm Reply
      2. He who was there

        CFC will not take Cobalt Edge. We are not interested in that space.

        Some warfare, yes. Showing that when an "or else" threat is spoken, it's on: yes. Invading your space: hell no, you will be soon invaded by solar anyway after the truesec change due to drone mineral removal because it's the better space.

        April 17, 2012 at 2:54 pm Reply
    2. MINE

      IRC Space is gonna burn!?!?!? IRC allways fights even outnumbered!!! We killed GOONS we Kill Goons and we will ALWAYS kill GOONS!!! U want to Fuck with IRC?!?!? SURE lets FUCK!!!!

      April 17, 2012 at 3:14 pm Reply
      1. Zeroniss

        Angry sex best sex?

        April 17, 2012 at 4:11 pm Reply
    3. CfC Grunt

      Who said CfC were going to take Colbalt Edge … Not me I said the rejoin was gonna Burn big difference. Also I was in that 750 man fleet (well mix of fleets) we had 1.5 fleets of Alpha and 1 fleet of Drakes. Only 2 Titans were online and the Supers were not called apon. Thats around 750 not 1500. Earlier in the campaign sure not last night though.

      April 17, 2012 at 3:25 pm Reply
      1. IRC Pretty Princess

        You clearly don't know what your talking about

        April 17, 2012 at 3:49 pm Reply
    4. Definitely Not Vogon

      The word of any goon is worth shit. Even if it is Mittanis. At least IRC has balls.

      April 17, 2012 at 7:09 pm Reply
  23. Arlekyn

    Well, I expect to see the rest of the 0.0 vs CFC soon. It happened before vs other powerblocks, it will probably happen again. Of course, it might never happen again and we'll have one huge coalition dominating the entire 0.0 sov map :)
    Usually, the weakening of a powerblock came from within, in a form of another. Wondering if this time will be any different.

    April 17, 2012 at 2:28 pm Reply
  24. lolatgoons

    Either RDN or NC. or for that matter IRC are fully capable of destroying any 1, 2 or 3 of the alliances that make up CFC. Your disgusting blue-fest is disgusting and doesn't cover your complete lack of skills. Blobbers gotta blob

    April 17, 2012 at 2:41 pm Reply
    1. Common Sense

      Yeah, just like those terrible blobbers in NATO. How dare they make diplomatic arrangements to give them a strategic edge over others!

      April 18, 2012 at 12:04 am Reply
  25. oll

    welcome to Goon online.

    April 17, 2012 at 3:50 pm Reply
  26. CFC guys

    http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=98

    Stop acting like you guys didn't blob the shit out of NC. Everybody is tired of hearing you guys complain about blobs.

    April 17, 2012 at 4:12 pm Reply
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  29. droljica

    WUUUT, goonatrd's fuerer is $$till alive ??!

    April 17, 2012 at 11:01 pm Reply

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