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Easley Thames is a contributing writer for Eve News24, you can visits his site at the Could Have Taken it Solo blog.

The King of Scapegoats

The Mittani has long been called the “King of Space.” Though he is reviled by many in this game for a myriad spectrum reasons ranging from “arrogance” to “he killed my alliance,” the Goon-king recently earned a certain level of grudging respect from many players – myself included – as a result of his efforts on CSM 6.

Pushing for vital changes at the height of the Jita riots, when CCP stood on the very edge of the abyss, The Mittani has been nearly-universally praised by his former CSM colleagues for his extraordinary efforts as chairman.

The Mittani helped organize the CSM into a effective organization for the first time, using Skype and other forms of communication to hold informal meetings, so that they would be effective when they faced CCP.

Though many view him as self-interested, the renewed emphasis by CCP on (FiS) “Flying in Space” is attributable in no small part to his advocacy, and this shift has been very popular with the broader community.

CCP’s top executive even mentioned him by name during the keynote presentation at fan-fest this year, where his contributions during the crisis were mentioned. In particular, Hilmar specifically discussed the somewhat tense “emergency summit.”

Many have already discussed the overly-harsh, knee-jerk reaction by CCP to Mittani’s gaff. I am among those who think he should have been allowed to stay on the CSM as a delegate, if not as the chairman; especially after his heartfelt apology, resignation as chairman, and generous compensation paid to the “victim” in this case.

What I want to focus on is something else, CCP’s complicity and hypocrisy in this whole affair. CCP saw the slides in advance. Think about that for a moment. They KNEW that Mittani’s presentation was going to focus on the time spent griefing a player that later claimed to be suicidal as a result of serious real-life issues.

Did CCP prevent this from going forward? Of course not, Eve is all about this kind of behavior. The only real competitive advantage Eve has is its cold, heartless galaxy full of players looking to take full advantage of the sandbox.

Now, and this part is critical, what exactly did CCP approve in his presentation? Based on the facts given in the CCP-approved slide-show, anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of a publicly-available kill-board could already find this pilot’s name with minimal effort.

It doesn’t even end with their knowledge of the slides. Consider what these panels are like – generally speaking. If fan-fest is a “party at the top of the world,” then the alliance panel is like a meeting of all the crime-bosses responsible for supplying the drugs and every other manner of vice.

CCP green-lit presentations from people who represent all of the most violent, lawless play-styles in Eve – from suicide ganking, to black-ops ganks, to worm-hole ransoms, to 0.0 blobbing and conquest.

We got to listen to singing ransoms, scamming stories, and plenty of examples of high-sec “griefing.”

They gathered these brutal braggarts, and then fed them tons of booze, all before shoving them in front of microphones set to broadcast LIVE across the internet. What could possibly have gone wrong with this plan?

The lack of foresight here is astounding. That is, of course, if you believe they really care about the kind of behavior The Mittani displayed in the slightest.

I certainly don’t think they ever thought for a single moment about this “Wis” individual. He was just another great story in the dark history of Eve.  That’s certainly how I felt watching the panel.

If they felt the subject matter was even slightly objectionable, CCP could have done a broadcast delay (even as little as 30 seconds) on the live stream.

Had they done this, they would have been able to censor the name of the supposedly-suicidal pilot’s character, as well as some of the profanity in each presentation.

Or, alternatively, they could have censored the presentation material ahead of time by suggesting revisions to the presentations. But why should they have to?

These are the kinds of stories Eve players lust for, and I believe CCP enjoys them every bit as much as we do.

We’re all in this game for the kind of – at times brutal – freedom that we have to interact with (and indeed harm) one another.

The real problem is that CCP is still operating on the basis of a tacit acceptance that “anything goes,” but as soon as they get negative media attention about their players, they shove the offending individuals into the forefront and circle their wagons – feigning outrage and surprise.

They tell the community to HTFU – that’s “harden the FUCK up” one moment – then when people pick on each other in a way that raises flags outside the Eve community, they then turn around an put 100% of the blame on the shoulders of those gamers.

Why did they allow this story in the slides to begin with if they don’t find the idea of someone potentially killing-themselves over a couple-dozen internet spaceships to be amusing in the first place? Is that not strongly implied by their conduct? Is that not the greatest proof that “Eve is real” for the players?

It’s time for CCP to get called-out on this. They have been shameless in their attempts to court the press by convincing them that this was unforeseeable and shocking.

As someone who watched the panel, I didn’t even flinch when he named the name. It was neither surprising, nor shocking, when he joked that we could all go and try to make this guy kill himself.

In conclusion, CCP should have admitted they played a major role in this whole affair.

Either they should rethink they way they approve presentation materials before fan-fest, or they should stop contorting the Terms of Service and EULA to punish someone for an out-of-context real-life communication.

I feel strongly that, at a bare minimum, this means they should have shared in the responsibility. Instead, they came down hard on the man that – in many player’s eyes – had a major role in saving their company’s very soul last year.

The sad thing is, the gaming press will drop this story in a day or two, and even having him step-down as chairman would have been enough of a signal to non-Eve players that “the mean guy got punished,” but instead they removed one of the best voices we have on the CSM entirely.

For all the reasons stated above, as well as man others I have posted in the comments of various news-sites and forum posts, I can’t see CCP’s response as anything but cowardly.

They are just fortunate that The Mittani was so uncharacteristically willing to fall on his sword for them this time. Not everyone would do the same in this situation.

– Easley Thames

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177 Comments

  1. Go Blow A Goat

    The author understands how to use the word "scapegoat". And it's blatently obvious that this tripe was written to simply support mitstromboli. Why is this article even here?

    March 29, 2012 at 7:17 pm Reply
    1. A Dude

      Do you even play EVE?

      March 29, 2012 at 7:19 pm Reply
    2. lol

      yup author does not understand that scapegoat means your innocent..

      March 30, 2012 at 12:40 am Reply
  2. truth

    sorry easly thames your a dumbass and missed the point totally, ccp maybe seen the slides, and while bad taste were still passable, what sunk mittani was the remark "go and find this guy,' etc, that isnt ccp fault, trying to lay blame on them instead is low

    March 29, 2012 at 7:23 pm Reply
    1. The Truth

      Im a liar but i always tell the truth. Easley was more on point that you are. Your not understanding the culture of eve players and the only thing i blame ccp for is trying to be something else that they are not to put on a show for sony. If ccp becomes more fake expect dust to tank and then eve.

      March 30, 2012 at 3:59 am Reply
  3. IRC Blue

    Oh and can we get one thing very straight – by his own statement, Mittani did not resign the CSM chair because of his presentation fuck-up.

    March 29, 2012 at 7:25 pm Reply
  4. Objective Realist

    The apology offered by the Mitanni was not sincere at all. You judge sincerity by the actions following the apology, and the Mitanni is now busy casting himself as *the victim*. Which shows his true nature.

    I also love how some bloggers now rushing to his defense. Anyone who looks at this objectively knows that CCP did what they had to do for the integrity of their business. The blatant fan-boy-ism shown by these bloggers and posters borders on fanaticism.

    Oh well. Their rage will soon be followed by bitterness, then by tears and finally excuses and blame games.

    March 29, 2012 at 7:36 pm Reply
    1. seph

      the apology mittani gave was sincere though his latter response to CCP making him take the fall and suspicions on them considering tweeking the freedom of the game, what makes eve eve.

      We should be suspicious of ccp, if it was not for the outcry of players and the CSM (lead by mitanni) flying in ships could have languished further.

      March 29, 2012 at 8:52 pm Reply
      1. Curious

        Since when is a forced apology sincere? His initial response was to smugly claim "deal with it" and stating he doesn't care. Suddenly, CCP are investigating, and suddenly, a well worded apology is made. Then a few days later he is broadcasting to over 2000 people that its all just a joke and he is the poor victim… Sounds really sorry amirite?

        March 30, 2012 at 5:10 am Reply
    2. Reader

      You do realise that you have just supported mittels claim to be a victim, do you?

      March 30, 2012 at 1:37 pm Reply
  5. Sleet

    So you're telling me a person who has this great position in the CSM (gets free trips, has an ear at CCP,ect) get a free trip to fanfest. He then proceeds to break one of gaming's rules of taking the game into real life, by suggesting people grief said person so they might commit suicide. I myself am quite often an asshole in game, but I know better than to take it to that level. Well Mittans did go too far and he did it while on a CSM paid trip to fanfest. Not only that but he did it on a like broadcast, and in front of a lot of video game news reporters and investors. That he knew were there, I can give him credit to try and do damage control but alas it was not enough. I think the punishment is fine if not enough. IMHO I think he lost more with his cock sure attitude towards his influence with CCP with which I think he lost some that day.

    March 29, 2012 at 7:44 pm Reply
  6. Dutchman

    CCP has stated that the slide was approved because the player in question wasn't mentioned by name.

    Well done Easly Thames. Your article is pointless.

    March 29, 2012 at 7:54 pm Reply
    1. Dutchman

      Also, I've been reading hundreds of posts and dozens of blogs about the subject. It seems everybody and their grandmother has an opinion about this. Could we please, for the love of god, just move on now?

      We don't need countless more walls of texts dragging on and on about the same fucking things.

      March 29, 2012 at 7:55 pm Reply
  7. tyyrathos

    Keep the name out— presentation fine. Simple as that. He screwed up. Everyone has said stuff that they regret. I cannot count the times, especially when alcohol was involved, that I said something not so bright at the moment or poorly timed etc.It was not "nice". But frankly, suffering is what people love in eve :). Every presentation that was given by the alliance gathering was based on it other than EVE Uni and I laughed my ass off. I thought the WH guys presentation was the best- some priceless fun was had there and even the victims laughed a bit.. Good stuff.
    As far as having 20 plus accounts and whining about a divorce those 20 plus accounts prob got you your divorce lol. It's a shame that all the good stuff that came out of the fanfest is going to be overshadowed by this slip of the tongue, brain fart, moment of insensitivity. And yes, if the camera's were off—- not an issue.

    March 29, 2012 at 8:33 pm Reply
    1. Sick

      Actually, even without the name – the fact that he found it HILARIOUS!!!! enough to include a slide where the whole point of it was to gloat that they hit a guy who was suicidal in real life, and found it so funny he wanted to share with the whole world how funny it for Goonies to discover this, complete with a mocking voice as he read the guy's message, would be considered very inappropriate for 99.99999% of the population. As his presentation was about "We LOVE it when"… this slide was him boasting, "We LOVE it when we find out the victim behind the keyboard is suicidal in real life! This makes us feel great!" What a mature, decent, guy. And by gloating about a real life person being suicidal, its not an RP character, but Alexander himself that is getting the kicks.

      March 30, 2012 at 5:14 am Reply
      1. Cure

        It is hilarious and its more like 80% of the population the other 20% run our civilization.

        March 30, 2012 at 5:30 pm Reply
  8. tyyrathos

    Keep the name out— presentation fine. Simple as that. He screwed up. Everyone has said stuff that they regret. I cannot count the times, especially when alcohol was involved, that I said something not so bright at the moment or poorly timed etc.It was not "nice". But frankly, suffering is what people love in eve :). Every presentation that was given by the alliance gathering was based on it other than EVE Uni and I laughed my ass off. I thought the WH guys presentation was the best- some priceless fun was had there and even the victims laughed a bit.. Good stuff.[youtube 6b4ZZQkcNEo&feature=g-logo&context=G2c5a612FOAAAAAAALAA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b4ZZQkcNEo&feature=g-logo&context=G2c5a612FOAAAAAAALAA youtube]

    March 29, 2012 at 8:47 pm Reply
    1. Moar Articles!!

      I see your little hopping robot and raise with the Cheetah:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2D71CveQwo&fe

      March 29, 2012 at 8:54 pm Reply
  9. Me two

    Dumbass…. scapegoat means your innocent…. How you gonna write a blog… and title it with a word you don't know the meaning of.

    March 29, 2012 at 8:57 pm Reply
    1. me twee

      Dumbass scapegoat can also mean you are guilty but so are you friends..but your fiends pin the whole thing on you while they get away with it.

      March 30, 2012 at 3:51 am Reply
      1. BookSmarts

        Wrong dipshit, a scapegoat is actually… surprise surprise…. a goat. A goat that was laden with all the sins of the tribe and sent off into the desert to die and take their sins with it. Gee, I'm wondering where you got your definition from, hmm, was it watching one too many crime shows on T.V.? Yeah, I rather think it was. One day you might actually know what you are talking about but for the moment i think it's best if you just keep you mouth shut, idiot.

        March 30, 2012 at 10:05 am Reply
  10. pooch screwed

    It wasn't even so much the mention of the name. It was the fact that he encouraged others to make the dude try to kill himself. I do not know what the laws are for Iceland, however if this had happened in the US you can bet that there would be some ambulance chasing lawyer pushing for a civil suit against CCP. They allowed someone to push that agenda during a presentation. If you look at the slides there is no place where "mitani encourages eve players to get another eve player to kill themselves". He could have left that criminal statement out of it. It crossed the line for ingame griefing – RL threats. Opened himself up for litigation and CCP as well. There is probably a motivated US federal prosecutor somewhere looking at the realistic chance of getting some kind of international case for cyber bullying won in court. Mittens isnt stupid, he has an education in law and litigation. Saw the clips the next day and knew he had seriously fucked up big time.

    Bad break, CCP did what they thought they had to, most likely after consulting with several lawyers.

    Get over it.

    March 29, 2012 at 9:01 pm Reply
    1. Dog fucker

      Another reason no one wants to play with you anymore your country cant even follow its own constitution.

      March 30, 2012 at 5:43 pm Reply
  11. CCC

    Hope u all realize that guy saying he will kill himself should be banned from game as he isnt fit for that and should get profesional help. Mittani may be a jerk but making that kind of noise about it is just plain stupid.

    March 29, 2012 at 9:05 pm Reply
    1. sdfas

      agreed really, if the dude is going to kill himself over the game, CCP should really convince him to stop playing, because if not mittani, someone else who randomly suicide ganks him will cause another "incident".

      March 29, 2012 at 10:27 pm Reply
    2. Curious

      Depressed people should be banned from playing video games? I've heard it all now. And he told ONE person…. one person who thought it was HILARIOUS that he was suicidal in real life and waited months to reveal it to the world on an international stage. Alexander is such a great man, a real decent bloke :S

      March 30, 2012 at 5:04 am Reply
  12. SandyCakes

    Slanted news for slanted ppl. There is nothing of factual value here.

    March 29, 2012 at 9:35 pm Reply
    1. stoicspoon

      It's an opinion piece. News isn't just about fact-reporting, some of the best pieces I have ever read were editorials or opinion pieces.

      We all know what happened here, the interesting question is what was right/wrong – or what should have happened.

      Do you agree?

      March 29, 2012 at 9:39 pm Reply
  13. stoicspoon

    As a quick dislaimer, my post was not about whether or not The Mittani did something wrong. He clearly did go to far, even in this particular setting.

    The question is, was he the only one to blame for this? And if he is not the only one to blame, does his punishment fit his crime?

    The fact that the victim was un-named in the slides was actually a very thin veil of protection against catastrophe. It was an insufficient level of precaution for a public presentation like this where CCP knew that the presenters on this panel are historically drunk, where there was to be a formal Q&A, and where "sandbox" playstyles focused on causing misery are celebrated.

    In the law, we call this a "foreseeable risk."

    More importantly, the slides (as they were approved by CCP) already had enough information to find this pilot's name. You could google the incident and find forum posts about it (before fanfest) and you could also do some digging on kill-boards with the information on that one slide.

    After I wrote my post, CCP admitted they need to make changes for next year, but that won't put The Mittani back on the CSM. He has paid more than I believe he should have for this blunder – and I honestly believe the name was mentioned on mere whim, without malice.

    The "call to action" – I believe – was made in jest. No one can know for sure, other than The Mittani himself, but I am not convinced he wanted someone to die in real life, especially after listening to him speak about it on the Soundcloud recording of the SoTG.

    The whole "if you want to make him kill himself then go find him" comment got a hearty laugh from the room, and I took it as a joke. Maybe – in hindsight – if you are not drunk and also have not just sat through an hour-long presentation full of "war stories" about humiliating people this seems crude and unconscionable, but it was merely par for the course as far as I am concerned.

    March 29, 2012 at 9:41 pm Reply
  14. Da stig

    Goon tears are just delicious

    March 29, 2012 at 9:48 pm Reply
  15. Me two

    I too think that people shouldn't be responsable for there actions when they have been drinking, This is totally CCP's fault. why would CCP expect mature adults to act in a respectable manner at a festival with gamer media outlets from around the world, Sony reps, and and many other investers all on hand. I mean heard that the CCP dev's were literally holding Mittani down at one point and made him drink a 26er. It was totally out of control party, and clearly CCP is the one to blame….. I mean come on Mittani is what 33 years old? It's like when my puppy pees on the carpet, I can't beat him, he simply doesn't know any better.

    March 29, 2012 at 10:03 pm Reply
    1. ArchieH Sucks

      The behavior and language used there was not that terrible, nor were Mittani's comments particularly spiteful. Do you think anyone in that room took them seriously, and went home planning to harass the wis?

      Of course they didn't, the comment would probably have gone largely unnoticed and "the wis" would never even have known it was made, were it not for the armies of idiots who decided to try and use fake moral outrage to channel their impotent rage at an in-game figurehead.

      And for what it's worth, I am not a goon, I hold no real value for Mittani's conduct in game and I interact very little with any of the CFC. But he has been a genuinely positive force on the CSM, to see the CSM fall back into insignificance again is sad. I just hope CCP continue to listen to the Mittani, whether he is on the CSM or not.

      Say what you will about his in game character, or his drunken rants, but his opinions and advice on game mechanics changes and his dealings with CCP have been invaluable.

      March 29, 2012 at 10:34 pm Reply
      1. Mike

        I think its a ridiculous statement to imply that Mittani was the sole reason for the CSMs relevance, or to imply that CSM would somehow not be relevant in his absence. His opinions and advice on game mechanics changes are largely unknowen b/c the CSM minutes never attached any names to the ideas/advice on game changes.

        March 29, 2012 at 10:45 pm Reply
      2. ..M..

        Considering i'v heard him say on many occasions that he hardly logs into EVE anymore, I wouldn't exactly call his opinions on game mechanic changes very valued, not compared to guys like Elise, or Prometheus that know EVE's game mechanics inside, and out.

        March 29, 2012 at 11:00 pm Reply
        1. M...

          … and also hardly log in.

          March 30, 2012 at 2:01 pm Reply
  16. Troll Father

    Connferming. 4-4 Will be raining tears of freighter pilots
    On Apr 28. Getting popcorn

    March 29, 2012 at 10:47 pm Reply
  17. SeanDrake

    Profile of the Sociopath

    Glibness and Superficial Charm

    Manipulative and Conning
    They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.

    Grandiose Sense of Self
    Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."

    Pathological Lying
    Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.

    Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
    A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.

    Shallow Emotions
    When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.

    Incapacity for Love

    Need for Stimulation
    Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.

    Callousness/Lack of Empathy
    Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.

    Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
    Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.

    Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
    Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.

    Irresponsibility/Unreliability
    Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.

    Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
    Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.

    Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
    Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.

    Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
    Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.

    March 30, 2012 at 12:03 am Reply
    1. flooboot

      You say it like its a bad thing they are also in charge of most of our industry, commerce and government.

      March 30, 2012 at 5:39 pm Reply
  18. lol

    Dumbass…. scapegoat means your innocent…. How you gonna write a blog… and title it with a word you don't know the meaning of.

    March 30, 2012 at 12:20 am Reply
    1. Reader

      No, it doesn't means you are innocent. Just that you take the blame for other folks.

      March 30, 2012 at 1:51 pm Reply
  19. Free Mittani!

    I actually think the fucktards that are faning the fires of this drama to further their own political schemes are doing more damage to Eve online than the bloody goons ever did, your outrage and crocodile tears are terrible and you are letting what Eve is truely about get hung by the neck to please the horny media beast outside the Eve sphere for your own petty little hatreds. Golfclap.

    Oh and to the people who cry cyberbullying like someones demented mother, EVE ONLINE IS NOT FACEBOOK. Dont treat this shit like it has any relation to real life whatsoever. Now go kill yourself, please, I mean that, Even if you REALLY are suicidal.

    As someone who has dealt with depression in my life, I can tell you there is something entirely different about saying that you thought about suicide and staring into a kitchen drawer wondering which knife is the sharpest, the first one is a cry for attention and it allways is, the second one… thats the cry for help. Know the difference.

    March 30, 2012 at 1:57 am Reply
    1. ..M..

      2010 called, they want thier meme back.

      March 30, 2012 at 2:12 am Reply
  20. Correction

    CCP didn't pre-approve or see the presentations. They have stated they will do so going forward. If they did, they wouldnt allow a giant penis to be shown, nor would they allow a slide where the whole point of it was to gloat that they found out a victim was suicidal in real life and the Goons find this fact hilarious. Your whole point of your Mittens loving blog is just wrong – CCP did not see nor pre-approve the slides. Stop confusing future intent with past actions.

    March 30, 2012 at 5:23 am Reply
    1. stoicspoon

      They said themselves they saw all of the slides ahead of time.

      Actually read the link this time: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog

      March 30, 2012 at 6:54 am Reply
  21. Random Miner

    not everyone in eve is trying to drive people out and be as brutal as possible. I myself have always tried to help others, and have loaned tons of isk just so others could plex and keep playing. the spirit of the game is to come together.

    also, i don't care if his name wasn't there. reading a letter where a guy says he's depressed and had a divorce etc. should have at the very least made everyone really uncomfortable. Anyone seriously striving for this in game has some serious issues, and clearly was not hugged enough as a kid

    March 30, 2012 at 7:28 am Reply
  22. Could we stop quoting Mittani's "heartfelt apology". You only have to look at his Twitter feed to realize that there was, and still is, no remorse for what happened. He obviously feels he's the victim in all this and he's now desperately lashing out out at the gaming press. The "heartfelt apology, resignation as chairman, and generous compensation" were just part of a process to get other people off his back, and in turn, off CCP's back.

    Of course CCP were partly to blame for just standing on the sidelines and watching the train build up speed until it smacked into a wall. However I like to believe the difference is that CCP are at least (slowly) trying to learn from their mistakes. Mittani doesn't learn from his mistakes because he doesn't believe he makes any. That part of his brain is either missing or dead along with the bit that knows when to just shut the fuck up.

    March 30, 2012 at 9:03 am Reply
  23. Angry Pubbie

    For once an almost unbiased article, more of these and people might begin to respect you Riverini.

    Oh yeah you have to stop pruning comments that are critical of you as well, that might make you a bit more respectable as well.

    March 31, 2012 at 5:09 am Reply
  24. TestPetsBestPets

    Anyone seen Clittens twitter tears yet? LMAO Testpets ruthless. WTB: Mopz and Buketz!!

    March 29, 2012 at 10:30 pm Reply

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