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One of the most famed solo PvPers in EVE is a player named Garmon, who’s part of Hydra Reloaded.

Garmon puts out a series of PvP videos capturing his exploits called “Garmonation” (look it up on Google).  There’s now nine of these videos, documenting solo and ultra-small-gang exploits in a number of ridiculously expensive ships and fittings.  The most recent, Garmonation 9, includes PvP exploits in an Adrestia (a unique Gallente cruiser of which only a handful exist) and a Machariel.  This most recent video concludes with an announcement: Garmon and a couple of friends are getting ready to launch a new website to teach EVE advanced PvP techniques.  The website,, includes a box to put in your e-mail address.  Once you do, you’re given access to several initial videos.

One can only assume that further videos will follow, but that those videos won’t be so freely available.

Of course, though, right when you’re launching a new business venture is the perfect time to be involved in a scandal.

First word of the potential scandal broke a couple of days ago, not long after this Rhea died.  From what I understand, the pilot bug-reported it, indicating that he was caught and aggressed by Garmon’s Vindicator outside a safe undock station, but not scrammed or pointed.  The Rhea pilot attempted to warp, but found himself unable to do so.  He was further unable to cancel warp in order to simply redock.  Assuming he was bugged, he apparently logged out, logged back in, was still unable to dock, and was killed shortly thereafter.

Garmon then apparently bragged that he had found a new way to kill jump freighters, and indicated that it would soon be a video on the eveiseasy website.

Suspecting something unusual was going on, about 90 minutes later, Pandemic Legion baited him into another attack, then hot-dropped him with super-carriers and killed the offending Vindi.(1)  And on the Vindi fit, PL confirmed there were no points and no scrams… just three very expensive Federation Navy webs.

It wasn’t long until people started playing with the mechanic on Sisi and determining how it worked.  Pandemic Legion immediately took the information gained and put it to use… not by telling CCP about it… oh no… by killing another jump freighter themselves with the exploit about six hours later.  Garmon, undaunted, fitted up another Vindi and got another JF a couple of hours after that.  And the race was on.

EVE News 24 first published an article asking for information, then put together how the mechanic works on Sisi and published it for all to see (text is courtesy of Zeroniss, and edited slightly for clarity):

It works on the principle that when you undock a ship, it is moving much faster than your maximum speed (especially in a freighter) if you hit warp, your ship tries to align while slowing down too (it is ESSENTIAL that your ship has to change alignment, instaundock will always work) this is when you slap it with triple webs.

Once the triple webs hit, under normal conditions your top speed is reduced to 1.1m/s. But your speed is still like 100/200ms as in the kickout from the undock, you won’t be able to stop the warp, you cannot dock either.

You never reach warp because your speed never [drops to 1m/s].  You can’t eject, you can’t DC because you are trying to initiate warp, you are ALWAYS going to die.

Needless to say, the fact that Garmon of all people was using a cheap exploit to score jump freighter kills soured people’s view of him pretty quickly.  As we know in the United States, it only takes one good solid scandal to burn away any goodwill you’ve built up over several years.  Michael Vick, John Edwards, Jackie Joyner-Kersee, Martha Stewart, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.  Examples abound.  The jokes have already started: Garmonationexploitation and being my two favorites so far.

Anyway, CCP caught wind of the scandal remarkably quickly and today, GM Grimmi issued this statement:

It has come to our attention that some players are making use of a broken game mechanic involving web modules preventing people from warping, for the purpose of killing them.  This is a clear exploit and anyone found abusing this will be dealt with accordingly.  Exploiting may result in a permanent suspension from the game.  Our Game Design team will be working to deploy a fix for this issue in the near future.

That statement was then modified and clarified to:

We’ve become aware of an exploit that is being abused by players to catch jump freighters in low-sec in order to kill them. By webbing a ship that has initiated warp, the victim will be rendered unable to cancel the warp in order to dock. This is a clear exploit and anyone found abusing this will be dealt with accordingly. Exploiting may result in a permanent suspension from the game. A fix will be deployed for this issue in the near future.

…presumably so that every person who lost a webbed ship wouldn’t petition their losses.  😉  The initial badly-worded statement shows how rapidly CCP wanted to get on top of this issue, so bravo to them for that.  It really speaks to both CCP’s sense of urgency to respond and the ability of the EVE media and fora to highlight an issue quickly.

So now the next question is how this will impact Garmon and his new business venture.  Will people forgive him his sins?  What if he apologizes?  American scandals tend to die down because Americans by their nature are a forgiving, generous people.  Hard-core EVE PvPers?  Not so much.  😉

Stay tuned.

(1) This quite possibly represents the one and only positive use of a super-carrier hot-drop on a sub-cap in EVE history.  😉  Best joke about this loss-mail, from several wags in various fora: “Think we’ll see this hot-drop in Garmonation 10?”

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  1. what

    Way to blow something COMPLETELY out of proportion LOL

    March 21, 2012 at 12:12 am Reply
  2. give it a rest

    Exactly what Garmon needs….more publicity

    March 21, 2012 at 12:15 am Reply
  3. Marco

    Lol, Garmon always good for some entertainment haha 😛

    I do actually really like that site though, those videos are really well done (and really educational) I think

    March 21, 2012 at 12:15 am Reply
    1. DeadTitansEveryWhere

      Riptardo is just trying to undermine solo/small gang pvp'ers tbfh.. cause he cant get out of his blobby null sec faggot friends ass's

      March 21, 2012 at 4:11 am Reply

    Sounds like someone lost a JF in low sec and is butt hurt…

    March 21, 2012 at 12:16 am Reply
  5. really?

    He killed a couple of jump freighters, not his wife. Whats the big deal?

    March 21, 2012 at 12:18 am Reply
    1. stoicspoon

      I agree. It doesn't change my opinion of him at all.

      He did something that's an exploit, who cares. Those account for like 10 kills or something among the 40,000+ across all of his characters, and most of those took more skill than 99% of Eve players have ever shown.

      March 21, 2012 at 12:32 am Reply
    2. DeadTitansEveryWhere

      Riptard just has a hard on for undermining solo/small gang pvp'ers imo

      March 21, 2012 at 4:13 am Reply
  6. Marco

    Oh, and I'd like to thank Garmon for bringing some attention to this issue, I was getting tired of losing my ships to faction police on Jita undock :)

    March 21, 2012 at 12:20 am Reply
  7. Tekai

    imho the JF pilot consented to the PVP when he undocked and thus deserved to die, ok he should have been able to cancel warp & dock, but whatever EVE is a dark where you die when not paying attention. But using this to "smear" garmons new site? pfft, using that exploit imho shows that you're likely to get something out of it. Part of EVE (any game actually) is exploi err using the game mechanics to your advantage.
    And how was that hotdrop positive? It was bad because afterwards PL used the exploit too. Two wrongs don't make one right.

    March 21, 2012 at 12:31 am Reply
    1. DeadTitansEveryWhere

      Cheers someone with a bit of sense

      March 21, 2012 at 4:12 am Reply
  8. Imigo

    Wait a second. You've provided three examples of JFs killed recently using this exploit, and apparently at least one of them petitioned it, but NONE OF THEM ARE GOONS. How can this be? Apparently CCP only change things to help Goons out because of a CSM conspiracy or Goon whining or something.

    I don't quite understand it myself but people have been quite adamant that Goons are somehow to blame for this (and everything else).

    March 21, 2012 at 12:39 am Reply
    1. DarthNefarius

      Don't worry if whiner nullbears can't pin it on the GOONs then its somehow Incursions fault because Incursions are somehow destroying all of Eve and are a worsescourge then bots 😛

      March 21, 2012 at 12:58 am Reply
      1. Trapped

        Incursions are bad for eve, tho not as bad as bot or titans. Virtually risk free isk teaches people not to be smart, and when its the best isk making in the game, it teaches that smart isn't gonna help you get to the top anyway.

        Do we not want smart players?

        March 21, 2012 at 10:00 am Reply
    2. Eve Online is devolving into a sort of Eve Online = Goons Online kind of perception, one which i feel is easy to "sell" towards other players and would be observers. And some players are putting some effort into preaching this wrong gospel.

      Which is interesting since if the CSM chairmanship is won by the Mittani again (which is much likely) as this would do nothing to dispel this new wave of "Goons Online" bashing.

      If taken out of proportion by would-be goon haters, this could drive the hand of CCP to act accordingly. After all, what's the idea of selling a sandbox when a good chunk of the outspoken players "preach" on how its owned by a single group? Thow in some memes, a #goonsonline hashtags and you got yourself a pretty solid campaign going on.

      After the proposed titan/supers-nerf, this idea is seductive as a PR front against the DekCo since many felt these nerfs only benefit GSF and Co, which isn't really the case.

      This is ofc a maliciously spreadable perception, IMHO goons doesn't control EVE, at least not in the near future. But still I can see how this could be successfully sold by parties wishing to get back at the DekCo and put some pressure on CCP Games through the media.

      I blame T20.


      March 21, 2012 at 1:23 am Reply
      1. Imigo

        Some people just seem to have to find somebody to hate.

        March 21, 2012 at 2:31 am Reply
      2. Sephiroth Septim

        If I remember correctly… people used to bash the Northern Coalition the same way not too long ago… Kind of odd eh?

        It seems that every time one group gains predominance over the others… they are shortly afterwards… designated the new target for destruction.

        March 21, 2012 at 3:44 am Reply
        1. Imigo

          I remember that. Although I also seem to recall some guy saying "We are not the NC".

          March 21, 2012 at 9:44 am Reply
    3. jake

      fyi you're a WIDERP pubbie

      March 21, 2012 at 1:35 am Reply
      1. Imigo

        WHAT!?!? Since when?

        March 21, 2012 at 2:04 am Reply
    4. goooooooons!

      Well you see those three JF pilots (like most accounts in eve) are actually goon alts.

      In fact no matter where you are in eve (running incursions in highsec, mining in highsec, doing level 4s in highsec, etc.) you can be pretty sure that everyone in local that isn't you, or in your 2 man corp, is probably a goon or secretly helping the goons.

      Also the mittani said that if he wasn't elected as the CSM chairman he'll get all the goons and their alts to blow up Jita, because that's totally possible and very much going to happen.

      March 21, 2012 at 1:48 am Reply
      1. Imigo

        You forgot that the other guy in your 2 man corp is actually a goon spy too.

        March 21, 2012 at 2:04 am Reply
      2. not quite

        He actually said if he obtained over 10k votes, goons would camp the jita undock.

        March 21, 2012 at 10:24 am Reply
        1. DethmourneSilvermane

          Suddenly I'm glad I voted for Mittani.

          March 21, 2012 at 3:20 pm Reply
    5. Ralina_F

      In all fairness, this explote was used on others. For example, pen-ahem, on me:… 3 vindis, THREE, will sure cut your speed. It isn't exsclusive to frieghters. Got refunded on the 2nd petition though :)

      March 22, 2012 at 4:17 am Reply
      1. Imigo

        So what you're saying is that Goons might NOT be to blame for CCP ruling it an exploit? Shocking I tell you!

        March 22, 2012 at 4:44 am Reply
  9. derp

    The fuck? Look at that last jump freighter KM. He didn't kill it, he whored on it and warped off. EN24 needs to step up the fucking reporting.

    March 21, 2012 at 12:39 am Reply
  10. Marcus_McTavish

    So can i petition if Sleepers in my WH web me out of warp???
    If so i totally lost a jump freighter in this manner and deserve compenstation.

    This has been around for years!!! Only when goons lose, it becomes a problem, hmmm Mittens is CSM Chairman…. OMFGBBQ CONSPIRACY THEORY!!!!

    March 21, 2012 at 12:40 am Reply
  11. Former NC

    He survived giving Mintchip a far few bil and a love letter, I honestly don't think anybody is really going to give much of a shit about this.

    March 21, 2012 at 12:40 am Reply
    1. lol mintchip

      Usually people figure out trolls after a day or two at most. The fact that this guy has people still falling for the mintchip thing more than a year later… just… wow.

      March 21, 2012 at 1:03 am Reply
      1. Former NC

        Um, that's kinda my point.

        March 21, 2012 at 1:16 am Reply
      2. Zarmon

        The fact that hes trying to cover up the Mintchip thing stating it was just a troll is what's LOL

        March 21, 2012 at 1:20 am Reply
    2. The Observer

      Pretty sure the mint chip thing was worse….

      March 21, 2012 at 2:41 am Reply
  12. Biased Reporting

    NPCs have been doing this to pirates undocking from hi-sec that try to warp to celestials they aren't aligned to for over 5 years at least.

    Maybe CCP should ban NPCs from the game then?

    March 21, 2012 at 12:46 am Reply
  13. Retard's Trek

    Well I personally respect him even more. I really fucking hate that uncancellable warp shit, now it finally gets fixed.

    And how Garmon's small gang adventures are exploits? How is flying an adrestia exploit? Yeah, he isn't really exactly honest about the mass which is behind him on the scenes on fights (like off grid boosters, cap booster haulers, etc), and still mentions opponents off grid boosters every fucking time. But I wouldn't call that exploit, just unsportsmanlike conduct.

    March 21, 2012 at 12:48 am Reply
    1. In the immortal words of Robert Plant, "You know, sometimes words have two meanings." Good on you for noticing my little word game, bad on you for not realizing that's what it was.

      March 21, 2012 at 1:34 am Reply
      1. DeadTitansEveryWhere

        Don't think anyone's falling for it tbh… You just came off as a massive dick who is trying to undermine Garmon cause you seen a opportunity to.

        March 21, 2012 at 4:17 am Reply
    2. Devore

      So he continually behaves unsportingly, but your respect for him is only growing? Well, good on ya!

      Personally, I don't care how good you are and how well you know your shit, if you're a dick about it, you get zero respect from me.

      March 21, 2012 at 5:19 am Reply
  14. garblenation

    she has such a beautiful voice and I love it when she says my name, we trained 2 warlocks to lvl 60

    March 21, 2012 at 12:49 am Reply
  15. lol are you serious?

    "The initial badly-worded statement shows how rapidly CCP wanted to get on top of this issue, so bravo to them for that. It really speaks to both CCP’s sense of urgency to respond and the ability of the EVE media and fora to highlight an issue quickly."

    AHAHAHAHAHA are you serious??

    CCP knew about this for years from all the petitions of players losing their ships to NPCs in this manner.. they only did something now because it was used by a high profile pvper and quickly made public knowledge so they felt they had to act.

    Maybe you should be congratulating Garmon for initiating all this exposure so that it could be finally fixed after so many years instead of dumping on him in your terrible article.

    March 21, 2012 at 12:52 am Reply
    1. The Observer

      This. I can't tell you how many times I've gotten stuck in a sanctum because the rats were webbing the living crap out of me. Good thing I rat in a chimera. lol

      March 21, 2012 at 2:40 am Reply
  16. SgtSimons

    the fact that garmon used an exploit to kill a few jump freighters does not hurt my view of him.

    he is still a damn good pvper

    March 21, 2012 at 12:59 am Reply
  17. Random Miner

    Nah, Martha Stewart is back on top… lol

    March 21, 2012 at 1:05 am Reply
  18. really?

    So let me get this straight…..
    Get caught botting, 2 week suspension.
    Get caught exploiting poorly written game mechanic, permaban….

    March 21, 2012 at 2:15 am Reply
    1. The Observer

      Bot offences have a "3 strikes" rule. You don't instantly get whammed by the banhammer.

      March 21, 2012 at 2:38 am Reply
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        March 21, 2012 at 2:38 am Reply
  19. The only way to get broken code fixed is to expose it. Otherwise it get's ignored.

    Like it or not, Garmon knows EVE better than CCP does and what he did will make the game better for everyone.

    It's not like this is new… CCP has denied petitions on the issue before, saying it was a "working game mechanic."

    March 21, 2012 at 2:49 am Reply

    Garmon killed a ship within the laws of the universe as coded by CCP

    Not his fault

    CCP blameshifting poor testing standards onto their customers

    March 21, 2012 at 3:09 am Reply
  21. lol

    I do like his videos but no chance in hell i would pay to watch them whether he was involved in exploiting or not.

    March 21, 2012 at 3:10 am Reply
  22. thiscall

    can you point out some exploits in 'Garmonation' videos? wtf are you talking about then?

    March 21, 2012 at 3:21 am Reply
  23. o.O

    Did Garmon comment on the article 20 times, or are there really that many people with Garmon balls in their mouth who thank him for exploiting?

    Wtf is this shit?

    March 21, 2012 at 3:42 am Reply
    1. DeadTitansEveryWhere

      It's called having respect for a player who knows there shit. Manner up~

      March 21, 2012 at 4:20 am Reply
  24. Sephiroth Septim

    Not only has this exploit been reported recently… and completely upset the masses, but … I think there has been a small number of other "Glitch/Exploits" recently.


    When crucible was released not too long ago… they changed the un-dock timers to a twenty second invulnerability timer and a ten second re-dock timer.

    So… you had ten seconds to re-dock if it was too nasty outside.


    Go ahead guys… please prove me wrong.. the un-dock invulnerability timer has been set to FIVE SECONDS!

    March 21, 2012 at 3:50 am Reply
  25. DeadTitansEveryWhere

    So fucking what he figured out a way to kill jf's on the undock then it got petitioned and is now a ban able offense. So now you think it's on you to tear apart his idea at teaching people how to pvp proper? Do you hate small gang pvp that much? I don't doubt your a null sec blob faggot? but rly?…

    Yes I'm a fan boy of those who put a shit ton of isk at risk and go out to engage large blob fleets almost solo or at most with 1 or 2 guys in fleet. You are more then welcome to your opinions but a direct attack on Garmons new web page with no reason just smacks of hate.

    I'll point to the title as an example of your obvious hate for and attempt at putting Garmon and his work down: Jester’s Trek: … So tbh gtfo you troll….

    March 21, 2012 at 4:09 am Reply
  26. Kiatae

    Sad to see that a pvp player of his quality goes for chep shit kills like that.
    For me this compares to boting or using hacks in FPS games. Garnon -1

    March 21, 2012 at 9:32 am Reply
  27. pvp?wutsdat?

    All this whining gets anoying. CCP does good to look into the matter and actually do something about the definition of warp status and when you should be able to cancel it. Webs are perfectly working as intended though. I myself lost multiple pimped out ships to this mechanic as well, be it in highsec to webbing navy npcs (well obivously these were just travel shuttles and frigs) or while evacuating from a battle gone south in a nanoship which suddenly gets rapier webbed while the warp is allready initiated. All this whole drama made clear is that 99% of people actually have no clue about pvp mechanics. But who would expect any different if all pvp the people ever do is to right klick titan and bridge, approach anchor and press F1?

    As to Garmon: He uses all gamemechanics avaible to get an edge in combat. Considering that this "exploit" has been known for years, and never has been acknowledged as one by CCP, why not use it to gank a freighter pilot who obviously did not know what he was doing?

    March 21, 2012 at 11:05 am Reply
    1. Guest

      lol what are you saying? first you say its an exploit and you lost ships to it than u say YAY GARMON SO COOL? u mad?

      March 21, 2012 at 3:45 pm Reply
  28. Kina

    Exploit is exploit when CCP says so, before it's a game mechanic if it's achieved using only the eve client without bots and hax.
    I really don't see the issue here. Man up.
    I don't know Garmon, but i appreciate his videos, and this supposed to be scandal won't change it in a way or the other.
    On another note, this article is full of hate. Why?

    March 21, 2012 at 12:15 pm Reply
    1. Marco

      People don't know how else to deal with other people's success

      March 21, 2012 at 3:17 pm Reply
  29. JayCee

    This only proves Garmon knows what he's doing and that he's pushes the envelope for unorthodox tactics. The mechanics behind it have been there since Eve was launced, have been well documented and most PvPers know to use it to their advantage.

    The new thing Garmon brought to the table is the tripple webbing Vindicator, and using it to kill JumpFreighters on stations. When he did it, it had not yet been deemed an exploit, and was a perfectly legit kill. In essence, Garmon managed to do what faction police does to undocking pirates in hisec every day.

    All my internet points goes to Garmon, who once again proves he's ahead of the curve.

    March 21, 2012 at 1:44 pm Reply
  30. droljica

    "What if he apologizes?"

    Why, should he? This bug is not from yesterday, and ccp knew it.

    Only retard (and goon) is blind ti the fach that this is just sequel of magnetar wh exploitwhere cccp knew it and didi shitt … until whole thing gets public. So again, why should he apologie for punny coded game.

    March 21, 2012 at 7:17 pm Reply
    1. asd

      lol are u drunk or what?

      March 21, 2012 at 8:48 pm Reply
      1. droljica

        I was a bit…

        Are u dumb/goon/PL ?

        March 23, 2012 at 9:01 pm Reply
  31. maggeridon thoraz

    jf. mean come on. undocking — jumping . no need to warp to something. webs will not disrupt jumping.

    March 22, 2012 at 1:30 am Reply
  32. Pathetic

    You guys who blame player for playing game and for making hard calculations how to do something extraordinary are really PATHETIC!

    Only who you can blame is CCP. You saw countless bugs and glitches that this game have. You remember PL warping off titan? Then you remember class 6 nova wormhole and it's bonuses… and many many more. This is surely not exploit since it's game mechanic programmed. It is not done buy any external tool or forcing server. It's well thought how things work and use it for own good while not hurting EULA, TOS, TOU or any other agreement!

    March 22, 2012 at 8:26 am Reply
    1. Cynic

      Garmon will be fine. This exploit is minimal compared to the other more harmful ones floating around. That being said, Garmon > Rote. Because that's the only reason Jester is trying to add fuel to the fire.

      Example, I play on an all crit TF2 server with only 1 map. Always play as soldier, and always end up getting all sorts of dominates and multi-kills etc b4 getting killed. And people rage and tell me im hacking (wall hacks) when i seemingly blindly fire in a direction someone is about to turn a corner. Or fire someplace i shouldn't see anyone but end up getting 3 kills with 1 hit. It's not hacking in the least. It's taking advantage of the game mechanics.

      Moral of the story, till CCP comes out and says it's an exploit…it's just taking advantage of a game mechanic. Afterall…that 2 Trillion ISK "exploit" got nothing but applause.

      March 22, 2012 at 2:08 pm Reply
      1. Cynic

        Oh, also Martha Stewart and Michael Vick came out ahead in the end. As will Garmon.

        March 22, 2012 at 2:11 pm Reply
  33. shade

    "Americans by their nature are a forgiving, generous people"

    Anyone else lol at that?

    March 24, 2012 at 6:59 pm Reply

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