It you have been paying attention to dotlan,you may have noticed that SOLAR is gaining a lot of systems and Shadow of xDeath is losing a lot of systems.  Now, granting, “a lot” is a relative thing.  Shadow has gone from 260-some systems to 240-some.  A 20 system loss for most alliances is shocking.  This was less than an 8% decrease for Shadow.  If that was all that was going on, this wouldn’t really be newsworthy.  Add to that the 11 Shadow corps that have bailed so far this month, and the story gets a bit more interesting.  Except, Shadow had over 200 corporations in it at the beginning of the month.  So, we’re really only talking about a 5% loss of corps, and most are smaller corps, so the member loss is… not even noticeable.  So, why am I writing about this?  Shadow’s kill stats are also dropping.  They are hovering at a dismal 45% efficiency (even Test alliance, full of suicide ops, stays around 70% efficiency).  But, Shadow’s efficiency has always been rather… well… around 50%.  So, the drop isn’t really all that telling.  Especially considering their stats are pulled down by this Hel loss.

Wait.  Hold the press.  Now we’re getting into the meat of this story.  If you haven’t clicked on that killmail link, I will sum it up in four words: Pandemic Legion Killed It.  Yes.  PL have reset Shadow.  No, PL has not reset Legion.  It is an ominous turn of events.  It seems Legion is letting their pet-filled alliance try to make it on their own.  PL and Legion had been in discussions about the SOLAR threat.  It seems Legion decided to let Shadow go… and didn’t mention it to Shadow’s leadership.  Shadow corps have been evacing to low sec for the past two days in droves.   Against All Authorities, known for being supercapital shy, apparently feels confident enough about Shadow being hung out to dry that a few of their titan pilots have been camping jump bridges/stations picking off people as they try to flee.  Pandemic Legion has all but given them the bro-nod to go wild as PL supers leave the area and AAA supers enter the area.

It has been rumored that Legion’s plan of battle is to leave SOLAR and AAA to gorge themselves on Shadow’s space, then hit them when their pilots have become weary of structure grinds.  Forgetting that SOLAR and AAA can simply continue to harass Shadow pilots, decreasing Shadow income, until they simply cannot continue to pay the sov bills.  It is the long game, but my god, it is easier than grinding through 200+ systems’ worth of structures.  Rumors are also flying about diplomatic discussions between CFC and Legion, but are more likely of the “you’re losing space, sucks to be you” variety.  CFC seems content to sitting in the west, poking alliances to the north and south to keep their players happy.  Raiden, however, is rumored to have been asked to attack Legion from the north.  It is doubtful they would move against Legion unless Goons were over there as Goons and Raiden are having a bit of a staring contest right now.  Neither willing to blink, let alone look at something else.

All this fighting in the drone regions, and no one has yet to stop and ask “wait, aren’t drone regions about to get nerfed?”  CCP has already suggested that drones will start having bounties rather than drone mineral loot.  Will the drone regions continue to have the same draw after this change or not?  It remains to be seen.  For the time being, however, it looks like SOLAR is quite happy to grind through the sov slog to take Shadow’s space.


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  1. The Observer

    Shadow has always been shit, paying mercs to do their dirty work for them. About time the RMT empire started collapsing.

    March 15, 2012 at 3:01 pm Reply
    1. -a- spectator

      RMT empire will never collapse.. they just pack up.. to deploy on the otherside of the universe and continue.. Plus my guess is that they don't have all their botters in 1 alliance :)…let's call it risk spreading

      March 15, 2012 at 3:07 pm Reply
      1. Ex-shadow

        As a former shadow of xdeathx member, there are quite a few real people in there, the alliance channel was always full of conversations. There's also a lot of station spinners and 'moon goo pays the rent, so I don't do anything else' people. Other than the station systems, I bet the majority are only one or two tower systems that will fall relatively quickly once any support is cut off. I see Solar Citizens is already picking up some of the leaving corps and giving them spots in Insmother though, so overall it will probably just be a shift from one to another.

        March 15, 2012 at 3:47 pm Reply
        1. The Observer

          I'm not saying that they're all botters, but I know that there are a lot there being a former XWX member myself. It's just nice to see that people who are known to RMT are failcascading and having their income reduced.

          March 15, 2012 at 4:14 pm Reply
      2. ViperRum

        Actually you call it risk management…or even hedging. You get corps into two renter alliances on either side of a fight…whichever side wins you move to that one and continue as before.

        No, I don't bot…this is just really common sense stuff.

        March 15, 2012 at 4:15 pm Reply
  2. Some Dude

    There is a recording floating around of a recent xdeath meeting, in which UAxDeath announces that their opposition (specifically including Intrepid Crossing) turned out to be tougher than expected, and that they were going to "regroup" for now.

    Meanwhile, the first two stations in Oasa have fallen to IRC, and more are scheduled in the coming days.

    March 15, 2012 at 3:01 pm Reply
    1. Spy Master

      I like the brush off given to the relationship between Goons and xDeath, when it is clear xDeath attacked IRC as part of a goon deal/strategy to take Tenal from Raiden.

      You heard it here first: xDeath is going to move closer to Goons to help in the upcoming universal nul sec war.

      March 15, 2012 at 3:21 pm Reply
      1. Anonymouse

        Last I heard, UAx was offered a couch by Goons, and not a particularly comfortable one. Personally, I think he should retire to empire for awhile and come back when he's learned to fight his own battles again.

        March 15, 2012 at 3:50 pm Reply
    2. fodder

      100 million isk reward for said recording

      March 15, 2012 at 4:16 pm Reply
    3. IRC Grunt

      We're easy to underestimate… being generally lazy and comparatively peaceful folks, we only go to war when we're really, really angry or Solar needs a hand.

      Thus, people get into this mode of thinking where they conclude that "IRC isn't at war because they can't fight wars" when the truth is just that we have what we need, and do not yet have any desire whatsoever to expand.

      So it's worth pointing out that we're not even really planning to keep any sov we take in this war. Most likely anything we don't use as a jump bridge leg we'll just give to Solar. We're only doing this because when a neighbor breaks a NIP treaty, that neighbor needs to stop being a neighbor.

      March 15, 2012 at 5:37 pm Reply
      1. lawl

        IRC can pvp!?!?!?

        March 15, 2012 at 6:44 pm Reply
        1. IRC Grunt

          Funny, that's exactly what Xdeath said a week ago, back when they still existed.

          March 16, 2012 at 11:32 pm Reply
      2. -A- FC

        Never underestimate an opponent.

        Never turn your back on a good solid ally for greed.

        Never fight a war on two fronts.

        Reap what you sow.. xxdeath will

        March 15, 2012 at 10:05 pm Reply
      3. Another IRC grunt

        The rage in the 'carebear' alliance on TS was tangible last weekend, I dont remember any other time when an ENTIRE alliance showed up to pound on an enemy, the rape fest and guardian popping was a awesome thing to see.

        March 17, 2012 at 10:48 am Reply
  3. Guest

    We've killed atleast two Legion supers in the last week, unfortunately they like to self-destruct.
    Here's an Aeon from yesterday morning:

    March 15, 2012 at 3:22 pm Reply
    1. bagehi


      March 15, 2012 at 4:29 pm Reply
      1. ...
        March 15, 2012 at 5:16 pm Reply
        1. working on that story already

          March 15, 2012 at 5:20 pm Reply
      2. AAAAAAh

        i only wanted to say TY Bagehi for always factual and interesting writings on this page. I pop every few days and these reports of yours are refreshing to read.


        March 15, 2012 at 8:58 pm Reply
  4. xRIP92

    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-Transmission Received-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==
    Alone you are weak, Alone you will die, Together we will over run you…..
    Join Us or Die……….
    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-Transmission Ended -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

    March 15, 2012 at 3:40 pm Reply
  5. Mr Goon

    So they are retreating to Leningrad where they will make their stand?

    March 15, 2012 at 3:44 pm Reply
  6. Watching

    The rumor is that what is left of the XIX empire is going to Fountain. Sorry TEST: Goons are going to try to let their old bros crash on your couch.

    I like the part in his speech to the troops on TS early this week where XIX claimed that his attacks on Cobalt Edge last week (which broke the truce brokered by PL / NC.) were a pre-emptive attack and were going to prevent IRC from attacking him. Then, the last couple days, he was telling people IRC STARTED this second push!!! Does he know that at least some of XIX / XWX membership can read and can see KBs that show his SBUs in our space BEFORE you see IRCs in his?

    Even IRC knows you break your word with PL and you might as well start your WoW subscription.

    March 15, 2012 at 3:46 pm Reply
    1. fodder

      We need this speech as well plz :)

      March 15, 2012 at 4:29 pm Reply
    2. Kratisto

      Considering how much TEST is actually living in fountain (only a couple pockets) this is actually not the worst idea ever. Fountain is also rather difficult to attack logistically from delve, although of course less so than attacking cobalt edge from tenal.

      March 15, 2012 at 5:15 pm Reply
      1. IRC Grunt

        Yet for some strange reason people keep trying.

        March 16, 2012 at 12:08 am Reply
  7. nothanks

    "It seems Legion decided to let Shadow go… and didn’t mention it to Shadow’s leadership"
    This is a strange way to put it since Shadow is a renter business Legion created and runs. They wouldn't have to mention it to Shadow 'leadership' because they are shadow leadership.

    March 15, 2012 at 3:52 pm Reply
    1. Confused

      It is hard to do all the logistics of an empire that big…maybe UaX just got tired.

      March 16, 2012 at 4:35 pm Reply
    2. Missingmyhome

      It's just that Legion is out of the renting business for now. The renters made some really bad moves for diplomacy and it was getting hard to keep everyone under one umbrella.

      March 16, 2012 at 5:21 pm Reply
      1. Bensbig

        Are you saying Shadow made some bad diplomatic decisions and caused the downfall of Legion???? I dont think shadow ever made diplomatic decisions, basically standings and such mimiced Legion's. I guess you could be refering to the NeoCortex alliance snafu but I dont think that was a shadow "power" move lol . Biggest power move Shadow ever did probably happened when the noctis came out and simultaneously 6000 carebears and bots got too excited and developed sticky keyboard syndrome 😉

        March 16, 2012 at 10:21 pm Reply
  8. SgtSimons

    its about time that Legion dies, they have been weak for soo long and held their space for too long as well. They just need to go and let a better alliance take their space.

    March 15, 2012 at 4:11 pm Reply
  9. Former Shadow

    Not really sure why anyone is focused on Shadow, the renter alliance. If Solar and -A- want to avoid the grind, then offer space to the Shadow renters and start collecting the checks. Hell, some of these guys will probably help knock down some of that sov in the process. It's not like Shadow is a threat to anyone. It was never organized to be anything but a renter alliance. Fuck botting. They have their fair share, but the real pilots out there could be a gold mine for someone.

    March 15, 2012 at 4:35 pm Reply
    1. Renter Hater

      Renters are the bane of nul sec

      March 15, 2012 at 5:20 pm Reply
  10. zef

    -a- dosent strike me as particular super capital shy,

    just, you dont pick super fights with PL in the area unless your 100% certain your going to win.

    you used to see supercap hotdrops in providence by -a- before PL came to the area.

    anyway, sounds good that XXXXXXXXXXXXXXxxXXXXXXX are falling.

    March 15, 2012 at 4:41 pm Reply
  11. Vango62

    This has almost nothing to do with space! But everything to do with pure sweet revenge. Xdeath has been the master manipulator for years. Switching sides and changing the color of thier skin to blend. They have been doing this since the first goons war, all the way back to when thed fed IRC to the sharks. Then they literally stumped out ATLAS and tried to stump out -A- , Just go through the last 5 years of eve and you will see how xdeath has always been the winner of eve. My hats off to them for being the ONLY major alliance to never lose thier space in the last 5 years. But the time has come and finally all eyes are on them. No my news reporter this has nothing to do with space…but more to do with revenge served with a heaping pile of ****

    March 15, 2012 at 4:55 pm Reply
    1. Hurr

      Your hat is off because they didnt lose space that noone else wanted anyway? Makes sense.

      March 15, 2012 at 6:51 pm Reply
      1. IRC Grunt

        If you think drone regions is useless space, you must be really confused by the incoming drone nerf-bat.

        It takes a lot of infrastructure to get the most out of drone space, but if you can pull it off, it's way better than normal 0.0… or will be, until they take away drone goo -_-.

        March 16, 2012 at 12:06 am Reply
        1. not really, drone space is great for building stuff but you get no mods, nothing of any real value other then the ability to make things cheaper. You can do that anywhere else too by reprocessing the mods you get from bounty rats, AND you will get faction/deadspace mods from the rare spawns, on top of the T2 salvage. Couple that with moons and you can see why drone space is in DIRE need of a buff.

          Bounty Drones will wreck the mineral economy (and the entire eve eco) for a while until supply meets the demand. Already prices are going up because of the war and as such the normally steady flow of minerals is drying up.

          March 16, 2012 at 12:36 am Reply
          1. meh

            Oh, if you can talk them into *buffing* drone regions, go for it…

            But changing from goo to bounties isn't a buff. Regional prices will shoot up, our incredible local market might collapse (most of the stuff we actually use, we get cheaper than Jita), and while yes, we'll probably be making 15 million isk an hour more, we'll also be spending that right out again to compensate for high-sec logistics from the ass-end of space.

            We like that Cobalt Edge is completely independent. It's one of the few places in EVE where you can live just fine while completely cut off from high sec. Changing to bounties will take a bite out of that, and we'd rather not.

            Moons would be nice though, I admit.

            March 16, 2012 at 9:21 am
        2. bagehi

          There is no better space in Eve if you want to build supers right now.

          March 16, 2012 at 12:04 pm Reply
          1. zef

            Feythabolis and esoteria looks pretty damn secure right now 😉

            March 16, 2012 at 1:43 pm
  12. XWX member

    I'm surprised where is all that hate coming from? Have XWX killed you many times? Hurts? Or are you all greedy for drone regions? I personally give a damn about regions and all politics, I have so much fun in CTA and will fight to the last ship in dock…so see you on the battle field folks :)

    March 15, 2012 at 4:55 pm Reply
    1. Rogue Drone Horde

      XWX has slaughtered my kind for too long! Revenge will be ours!

      March 15, 2012 at 5:06 pm Reply
      1. Just -A- Grunt

        XWX have held large swaths of space and run a botting/RMT empire for far to long. You've relied on other to do you're dirty work for you and have grown bloated and weak as a result.

        I'm watching with glee as the renters flee our advance like the cockroaches they are, and once again others (CFC lol) try to protect you.

        March 15, 2012 at 5:25 pm Reply
        1. lol


          March 15, 2012 at 9:24 pm Reply
      2. lol


        March 15, 2012 at 10:37 pm Reply
  13. Shadow Vet

    POINT 1: 20 systems is a drop in the bucket for us and we didn't want those systems anyway.
    POINT 2: 11 corps. Bailed eh? They were kicked last I saw
    POINT 3: Bagehi 1v1? Shadow is still alive mofo pod service express comith

    March 15, 2012 at 5:27 pm Reply
    1. African

      Your fucked dude, we know it and your leadership knows it.

      Learn to pvp with your own members, the pay cheque merc option is shit, its so par se, when used exclusively.

      March 15, 2012 at 5:52 pm Reply
    2. bagehi

      1v1? You v me? Your corp v my corp? Your alliance v my alliance? I'm pretty confident any of those would go poorly for you. But I'm game.

      March 15, 2012 at 5:59 pm Reply
      1. Shadow Vet

        trooolllllllll, Battle badger FTW

        March 15, 2012 at 7:42 pm Reply
        1. A Dude

          You guys are bad at pvp, this is not a troll which makes you sad…

          March 15, 2012 at 9:20 pm Reply
      2. Zak Z

        BALLS. OF. STEEL.

        March 15, 2012 at 8:14 pm Reply
      3. Welp

        I'll school you in all 3 categories, scrub.

        March 15, 2012 at 8:57 pm Reply
      4. Minkonyo

        bagehi you rarely actually log in.
        Your killboard is quiet
        Your alliance is Shit.
        i think the rental scum has you beat in every way.
        sucks to be you chav

        March 15, 2012 at 11:20 pm Reply
        1. bagehi

          Six Accounts.

          March 16, 2012 at 12:07 pm Reply
          1. Corteztk

            Hey Bagehi looks like you have a super fan, dude is tracking you logging in. LOL you should be flattered.

            March 16, 2012 at 2:40 pm
          2. bagehi

            LOL. Part of the reason I use other accounts. I get quite the ribbing in fleets for my part in EN24.

            March 16, 2012 at 2:43 pm
        2. A Dude

          Please show us your awesome killboard before you speak about killboards and shit.

          March 16, 2012 at 2:49 pm Reply
    3. Horde ratter

      serious you crazy i'm in shadow and i know how fucked we are and shadow Vet you been on many CTa the only time we won an fleet battle was when goons came and help us and also goons have save 2 station so hmm yep we are doing good also united pod express our allies they lost like 20 system and also 800 member then vodoo something they lose an couple of super most thier member and most of the space solar and -A- focus is on our allies atm and IRC is focus on kill legion mu source tell me they could an fuck about the space it all about crushing us

      March 15, 2012 at 6:07 pm Reply
      1. IRC Grunt

        You're right that we don't want the space. We have no need of more space at the moment, and unlike xdeath we have no interest in expanding our borders beyond what we can effectively defend.

        But this isn't a war of aggression. Your overlords thought they could roll us, so they broke a NIP treaty.

        We don't require our neighbors to be blue… we like roams in our space and nearby PVP. We permablue for friendship, not so much for convenience (that's what temp-blue is for). We do, however, require that our neighbors honor treaties they sign with us, particularly ones that involve not dropping SBUs in our market hub.

        We didn't think it was too much to ask, but apparently we were overly optimistic.

        March 16, 2012 at 9:12 am Reply
        1. ipfreely

          My only complaint about IRC home defence is getting to the reds before Flash and his pack of 60 pvp roamers, really, we know when reds are coming, we get a TS wide alarm to it and then everyone rushes to get on the kill mail.

          Local is joyful in its cries of 'unfair blobs'.

          March 17, 2012 at 10:53 am Reply
    4. SG Goonslap

      "POINT 3: Bagehi 1v1?"

      I lol'ed at this, seriously calling Bagehi out to duel ? Just reminded me too much of people arguing in WoW trade chat. Thanks for the laugh man. *plants the flag shame*

      March 16, 2012 at 3:06 am Reply
  14. Lube

    You may not know this, but Leningrad has been always the hard nutt to crack. No one's ever done this in spite of some desperate attempts:)

    March 15, 2012 at 5:27 pm Reply
    1. Conspiracy Theorist

      People used to say that about H-W. Food for thought…

      March 15, 2012 at 8:19 pm Reply
  15. Former Shadow

    Unless you control your own destiny, which invariably you as a pilot or even your corp does not, the vast majority of nullsec inhabitants are renters of one sort or another. Shadow paid straight rent to be left alone and individually each corp could do as they wish and had no further obligations. Pets on the other hand typically pay some alliance dues and have other obligations. Pay in isk, time, sweat or blood: you're still a renter. But keep making yourself feel like you have somehow earned your place in nullsec because it's more likely someone just let's you live where you do for a reason that suits them.

    March 15, 2012 at 5:41 pm Reply
    1. A Dude

      The hate probably comes from the fact that you pay to carebear and dont actually fight and play the game some people feel its intended to be played. Hence the general elitist attitudes.

      March 15, 2012 at 5:52 pm Reply
      1. Former Shadow

        That was the largest failure of shadow in the end: no organized combat capability. The desire among some was there. You can check the December thru February killboards to see clearly who those corps are. Unforunately, the organizational structure for harnessing the inherent combat potential of an alliance with 7000 members was utterly lacking. Hence when the walls come down, the serfs are unable and/or unwilling to put their pitchforks to good use.

        March 15, 2012 at 6:15 pm Reply
        1. A Dude

          Yeah, it would be awesome if you could pitchfork well, but you can't and thats part of the reason people in pvp alliances take you lightly.

          P.S. to the neg reps I was stating how the attitude is, not that it was necessarily right. But this is EN24 and it is more fun to neg rep then think about what was actually said.

          March 15, 2012 at 7:10 pm Reply
    2. Renter Hater

      The term pets is idiotic. Folks wanting to come out to nul sec are not going to make it on their own, and have to align themselves with someone more powerful. That's called diplomacy. Most major alliances count on their weaker partners to fill a void they themselves cannot easily counter. Some argue that Test, GA, FC, TNT, SM and GOML are our pets, and maybe they could not survive on their own against the other larger power blocks. They still do well enough on their own in every other way, and get more powerful every passing week.

      Renters on the other hand, add nothing but easy isk to their landlords wallets. Run a gang through their system and they all dock up. And yes, *citizen* alliances are renters. All they are expected to do is pay a percentage to the local overlords. That is bad for eve.

      March 15, 2012 at 6:38 pm Reply
      1. jake

        how many times has Goons interfered in the leadership of their not-pets?? Installed Zagdul, changed TNT leadership, etc etc etc…

        March 15, 2012 at 6:49 pm Reply
      2. Haha Son

        why is that bad for eve? because you think so? you are maybe somewhat too deep into your own ideas to get reality, right?

        March 15, 2012 at 7:25 pm Reply
      3. I just don't know

        My previous alliance was renting in Querious, so when a Goon Vagabond came in to our system, he crashed the gate and ran like hell. Later we gorged on a Convicted Loki who thought we were the sort to hide in POS's. I like people like you, we get great kills, I also like those pubby renters, they hide sharks like us…

        March 15, 2012 at 10:02 pm Reply
      4. Some Dude

        The term "pets" was the result of people more familiar with how WoW works than with how international diplomacy in the real world works, grasping for language to describe a common socio-political phenomenon: the "client state". And there are many varieties of client state, both in the real world and in Eve. "Pet/renter/BFF" is too limited a set of categories to properly describe the whole spectrum of complex relationships found throughout 0.0.

        March 18, 2012 at 4:15 am Reply
  16. zio

    they didn't want that space anyway

    March 15, 2012 at 5:47 pm Reply
  17. BillyBob

    Nice to know that TEST is now the metric by which every other alliances eficiency is metered against. Guess we need to run more suicide ops so everyone else looks better.

    March 15, 2012 at 6:15 pm Reply
  18. droljica

    2quote my friend …

    "If you want something to speed up, start writing about it"

    March 15, 2012 at 6:35 pm Reply
  19. Somedude

    Renters – Pay Isk to live in 0.0
    Pets – Pay buy Joining Fleets and Killing pilots to live in 0.0

    Whats really the difference?

    March 15, 2012 at 7:17 pm Reply
    1. Some other dude

      The same thing could be said of membercorps. if they don't pay by showing up to Op fleets, or generate alliance level income through rat bounties, or contribute logistics, then they get kicked from the alliance and run out of 0.0. I fail to see the distinction between a supposed "pet" and a full fledged member in your example.

      Renters, on the other hand, pay only to be left alone. They have no loyalties, one master is just as good as the other for their purposes. Some would say a minority of those renters are there to advance their corp up the ladder of importance by showing up to CTA's, improving their KB stats, and otherwise being useful to their overlords. That is how my corp started out, and I'll tell you it's a long, painful road. You are better off just apping to Goons, or TEST, or some other entity that doesn't rent and takes anyone who can spell their name correctly.

      March 15, 2012 at 8:16 pm Reply
      1. trololol

        I hear for Goons, correct spelling is optional.

        March 16, 2012 at 12:04 am Reply
        1. Gumpin

          I hear it only costs 500m isk too

          March 16, 2012 at 2:01 am Reply
          1. meh

            and they'll even Cyno your carrier in, though they won't let you into the corp until you arrive in system. They have to confirm your fit, after all.

            March 16, 2012 at 9:14 am
          2. Some other dude

            i fully endorse the above mentioned product or service.

            March 17, 2012 at 1:03 am
  20. Anything being run by the hands of "Devon Lightfoot" (susposed US leader for Shadow) is doomed for failure. Lies, Scams, Back Stabs surround his past dealings, and anyone that is said to have dealt with him, knows he's all about chasing the digital paper. He doesn't lead by example, teaching others… He leads by controlling players, and eliminating those who can think for themselves.

    The sooner these "legion/shadow" pricks get removed the better.

    March 15, 2012 at 7:21 pm Reply
    1. dude

      sounds like a bitter str8nge brew member .. alliance that got kicked out for the same reasons

      March 15, 2012 at 9:20 pm Reply
      1. A Dude

        Strange brew were asking for -A- diplo in local last night, looks like they are looking for new masters? They should contact SOLAR tho as -A- has no intention of keeping anything but strategically located systems in Drone lands.

        March 16, 2012 at 3:13 pm Reply
        1. Brewballs

          Nope. Brew is just looking to be a true sov holder, no rent, no hate. :)

          They're just probably wanting to work out blues.

          March 16, 2012 at 4:38 pm Reply
        2. Lookin for a Massa?

          Their main "Masters" will probably be IRC, not SOLAR directly. (TBH, I believe they are looking to become more of a little brother to IRC and Solar and not a pet or a renter.)

          IRC was the one who originally threatened them. IRC was the one active in their space. IRC is the one who got them to flip. IRC never flipped on Brew. They were much more consistent and well, sane, than the XxDeathxX crew during this war. SOLAR was a bit further away, but was very good to them too. -A- is just very active in former XiX/xWx space (probably as active as Solar and IRC) and so I'd imagine Brew is just looking to blue to keep all of its energy focused on xxdeathxx.

          March 17, 2012 at 11:00 am Reply
    2. Devon Lightfoot

      I'm sorry that I can't return the esteem you hold me in, as it seems that I am the focus of your fixated little life and the only time you cross my mind is when I happen to run across your sad little rants. Win or loose, I'll keep playing because I have fun. If you have found all of this damning evidence that proves I'm such a skilled manipulator/scammer/backstabber please, post it somewhere. There is only one post about me that is negative that I am aware of, and I'd gladly answer questions about it to anyone who asks. In other words, put up or shut up. :)

      March 17, 2012 at 6:36 am Reply
  21. lol

    "All this fighting in the drone regions, and no one has yet to stop and ask “wait, aren’t drone regions about to get nerfed?” CCP has already suggested that drones will start having bounties rather than drone mineral loot."

    Its not about the space for us -a- pilots…..we wanted to punish the russians and make them pay for attacking us….goal achieved

    March 15, 2012 at 7:59 pm Reply
    1. anonymous

      Technically you attacked them first by invading white noise during the NC war

      March 16, 2012 at 1:39 am Reply
      1. aaagrunt

        Technically they attacked first when death hired PL to kill aaa

        March 16, 2012 at 7:23 am Reply
      2. A Dude

        Technically WN started the war by killing AAA ally Atlas Alliance (original) in 2010 then moving into Catch with PL, Xdeath, RA in tow. AAA has a long memory.

        March 16, 2012 at 2:59 pm Reply
  22. ...

    "After a while, as predicted, SOLAR is much diminished."

    March 15, 2012 at 9:19 pm Reply
    1. IRC Grunt

      Ikno, right? I remember reading that when it was posted and laughing my ass off.

      March 16, 2012 at 12:13 am Reply
  23. PL spy

    good luck with all those ppl in your backyard who are farming you and your renters xxdeathxx good luck trying to bore them to death when its pvp heaven for them. Sweet hulk tears, agroo'd logofski bots and carebear tears. Best part is even that they dont even want to have the space. Last rumor i hear was the fact that The Mittani is promised a few supers as reward for helping xxxdeathxx.

    March 15, 2012 at 9:40 pm Reply
    1. trololol

      He's getting supercaps for the 30 or so drakes they've sent down to "help?"

      man… PL needs to revisit its pricing scheme if that's the going rate.

      March 16, 2012 at 12:16 am Reply
      1. BETA BABY

        Goons sent 500 people to defend a CSAA in 4F6 last weekend brosef.

        March 16, 2012 at 4:36 am Reply
        1. trololol

          brosef, by no measure known to man have goons deployed forces in xdeath space commensurate with being paid in supercaps, plural.

          March 16, 2012 at 11:34 am Reply
  24. eve player

    UAXDEATH asks for shadow votes to get elected to the CSM shadow obliges and UAXDEATH then gets pandemic to fight a proxy war to remove shadow cos lets face it the only 2 alliances not to be reset by pandemic is legion of xxdeathxx and NC so it deosnt take a genious to work out pandemic is working for their favourite paymaster. what this action looks like UAXDEATH trying to strike a deal with AAA and solar to try and become their bitch and save his miserable russian skin.if this is the case this little russian is lower than shit on a shoe.but on the other hand shadow are renters and renters get what they deserve if they wont fight to the death for their home expect a mass exodus from all shadow regions over the weekend.

    March 15, 2012 at 9:49 pm Reply
    1. sephiroth clone

      yeaaaaa…… they are the source of his income, and his vassals. For all the isk he got from them they are rewarded by being considered a acceptable loss to wear down the enemy/buy time.

      UAXDEATH is a bit crazy in many of his latest decisions, his allies are vanishing, and his enemies are growing. His massive empire burns at his feet.

      March 16, 2012 at 12:17 am Reply
      1. Bef

        u realize u just described the U.S. gov right..

        March 16, 2012 at 12:50 pm Reply
      2. itsme

        imagine if shadow leaders cut a deal with AAA & co and turned on legion.

        March 16, 2012 at 1:38 pm Reply
    2. meh

      Renters are people, and people aren't generally stupid. You pay in blood or you pay in money, you do not pay in money *and* blood.

      March 16, 2012 at 12:21 am Reply
      1. Random Miner

        …. idk what world you live in to say people aren't generally stupid

        March 16, 2012 at 6:42 am Reply
        1. Jarhead

          think of how dumb the average person is.

          then realise that 50% of people are dumber than that.

          March 16, 2012 at 7:59 am Reply
        2. Gumpin

          You count as people too you know.

          March 16, 2012 at 8:14 am Reply
          1. Random Miner

            I'm people?

            March 17, 2012 at 1:15 am
        3. meh

          Pardon me. I should've been more clear.

          "people" are, indeed, stupid, and when dealing with a hive mind you can expect it to deteriorate to the lowest common denominator.

          Renting alliances are not hive-minds, so you're dealing, instead, with 7000 "persons" and an individual person has a very clear understanding that he is being asked to pay for the right to fight for the right to pay less for the right to die horribly as your meatshield.

          March 16, 2012 at 8:50 am Reply
  25. -A- FC

    -A- are here this is what we promised you xxdeath in all its guises has been slowly stripped of all its allies and pets it is going to be taken to the millstone, we haven't waded though fields of blood for any other reason. Nothing will stop us in this goal. Let us grind structures, throw our ships to their doom or drink your renter/ bot tears we live for this eternal war and you are.. and have always been the target..

    We said it is them or us.. a battle for survival. God forgives… you know the rest

    March 15, 2012 at 10:00 pm Reply
  26. Doh


    XIX telling the grunts to hold the line against AAA / SF / IRC while they've been evacing all their crap out of 1a8 for the last three days.

    I understand JBs adding to the jump-count, but 1a8 doesn't get to almost 3200 jumps in the last 24 when the combined jumps in those systems are 4 jumps away are less then 1000. (That means fleets aren't just roaming into those gateway systems: Ships are actively jumping in and OUT of 1a8!)

    Remember XWX: The last one at the party gets stuck with the check!!!

    March 15, 2012 at 10:06 pm Reply
    1. A Dude

      This is a shame, ever since PL left -A- has been having difficulty finding fights. If XIX won't even put up token fights to defend their space it is a sad time in EVE indeed.

      March 16, 2012 at 3:09 pm Reply
  27. MVN

    XIX is already done with fighting. This is just clean up.

    March 15, 2012 at 11:02 pm Reply
    1. Gunny

      Agree, XIX is done, and whats this ? they going to fountain? Even Test will wipe the floor with them.

      March 16, 2012 at 4:03 am Reply
      1. A Dude

        TEST can't do that without mittens approval

        March 16, 2012 at 2:57 pm Reply
        1. LoL

          XiX is going to Jove space so they can bot in piece without having to worry about real alliances who can fight.

          March 16, 2012 at 4:40 pm Reply
          1. trololol

            They're already botting in pieces.

            March 16, 2012 at 11:23 pm
  28. Terrible Poaster

    Fail stats are fail.

    Almost any large alliance will have close to 50%. If they don't, then it is one of,

    1. they are above average – something that is not really possible for anything that is large (eg. R&K are not a large alliance :)

    2. they fly with lots of "buddies" outside of their alliance, boosting their mutual stats

    So, if you have allies and you fly with them, your stats will be boosted. The lower your numbers in proportion to total fleet size, the higher your stats. This would be like most alliance in CFC.

    If you don't understand this, then sucks to be you. I guess you can gloat how TEST 70% "efficiency" is higher than Raiden's 60%.

    March 15, 2012 at 11:50 pm Reply
    1. Screw you!, Gents have high KB efficiency cos we the l33t alliance of CFC!!!

      March 16, 2012 at 11:35 pm Reply
  29. Bensbig

    I think some people have some misperceptions about Legion and Shadow and their relationship.

    For as long as I can remember there has been several distinct groups within shadow (Legion alts, Russian corps, Euro corps, US corps, and small amount of Aussie toons/corps) . For the most part the russian corps/legion alt corps did their own thing with little communication or impact from US time zone. The US Corps/EU corps/Kiwieaters usually did their own thing , usually on their own with no involvement with others except where necessary.
    During beginning of NC war communication between groups improved a little but gradually returned to prewar levels (little to none).
    At some point around middle of 2011 there was a some form of management change within shadow and communication increased (at least to the english speakers). Late in 2011 around October I think, was when the attempt to forge some form of weapon out of the US/EU corps started. This was shortly before the hostilities with Solar started. A coincidence??? No such thing in Eve!!!

    Participation was spotty at best with a few corps/toons accounting for most of the participation . While it was fun to get a little more organized PvP action, it was also pretty damn frustrating trying to get more people to show up. At this time I would have to say it was to little to late (should have been done a year before) but in the big picture I dont know if it would have accomplished much. Probably would have at least stalled initial IRC Oasa invasion but thats about it.
    Questionable decisions were made , but most decisions made by the russian alliances appear questionable and really its better not try to make sense out of what they do.
    In conclusion Im gonna share with everyone the greatest piece of advice I was ever given.

    "When you are thrown into a bucket full of turds, the taste in your mouth is the least of your worries"

    March 16, 2012 at 12:29 am Reply
    1. Fancy That

      If you want renters to participate in PVP, offer them fleet fits, promise reimbursement for any lost ships, and rent forgiveness for participation.

      If you want people to PVP on their own dime, you have to offer them pride, purpose, dignity and a really nifty logo… which are in short supply in a renter shell.

      March 16, 2012 at 9:26 am Reply
    2. BAMbam

      Renters make poor CTA choices. They're often terrible at pvp, turnup in mixed fleets with crap fits and in most cases dont want to pvp at all (Its also very annoying when someone whos killboard sports one kill and 56 losses preaches why his PVE fit is superior to your PVP fit at pvp).

      Though to be fair why should they? They're paying for their space and that should ensure they dont get farmed to death or worry about SBUs turning up in their home system.

      If your planning on using renters as meatshields your either desperate or stupid

      March 16, 2012 at 5:47 pm Reply
      1. meh

        Everyone is terrible at PVP until they do it for a few years.

        I think of Solar and IRC as the ideal relationship between a power bloc and "pet" – every year IRC got less pet and more powerful, and *this* year they demonstrated themselves capable of 1v1ing Legion.

        Yeah, Legion aint what it used to be, but that's still a pretty powerful statement.

        So now, for their trouble, Solar has an increasingly powerful and absolutely loyal ally, instead of a flaky renter shell that starts making diplomatic bids with the enemy before the war even starts.

        March 16, 2012 at 11:21 pm Reply
    3. AAAAAAh

      The only misperception is holding UaXdeaths abomination of an actuall alliance. Its just long time bottin organization, bloated like fat cow who is going to explode as soon as someone puts any kind of pressure on it.

      UNLESS they pay people with US dolla again to defend them, which is buisiness as usual for those retards.

      March 17, 2012 at 1:46 am Reply
  30. sephiroth clone

    UAxDeath tells his vessels to keep fighting while he gets into a gold plated titan, filled with thousands of eve years worth of space gold, and warps away.

    March 16, 2012 at 12:32 am Reply
  31. Headerman

    Shadow of xXDyingXx? Fuck that i am outa there. no use looking for PVP when you have a few guys Vs about 50 reds, an alliance that couldn't give a fuck cause they are too busy with their own thing, space that takes too damn long to PVE and a Legion demanding rent money.

    March 16, 2012 at 1:23 am Reply
    1. A Dude

      Best to TEST? Or be chic and join Elite Space Guild?

      March 16, 2012 at 3:00 pm Reply
  32. Jim

    0.0 in eve is like the Feudal system in Europe or Japan………or pre-world war area conflicts. Take Austria for example, in the late 1800's to 1914 Austria was a weak country, but thru alliances with other powers and forcing wars it appeared strong, thus survives. Renter or pet its basically the same thing, if your a lord and your renters/pet get out of line you put them back in line or get rid of them.

    March 16, 2012 at 2:08 am Reply
  33. Spacevampirelord

    So… UaXXdeath space new thunderdome in two months time?

    March 16, 2012 at 11:22 am Reply
  34. Brew Grunt

    Went from High Sec to roam Oasa. Oasa has fallen. There was 0 resistance. Bye xXdeathXx Neighbors! It was good until everyone went crazy.

    March 16, 2012 at 3:19 pm Reply
  35. Dude

    Only thing about this write up which is kinda ridiculous is the killboard efficiency chestbeating that Bagehi did near the start. You have to be pretty ignorant not to understand why an alliance that fly in mixed fleets(several entities in the same fleet) like test, and an alliance that doesn't like shadows, or pretty much any alliance not in the CFC circle jerk.

    It's not just Bagehi really, seems alot of people that play eve don't really have a simple understanding of math to understand that the killboard "efficiency" stat has little to do with how good, bad or efficient a individual/corp/alliance is.

    March 16, 2012 at 4:17 pm Reply
  36. Wow ….Just wow … Clearly you just Take ppls word for it. This story is so wrong

    March 17, 2012 at 10:15 am Reply
  37. Shadow=legion bots

    What is this I don't even

    March 18, 2012 at 3:08 am Reply
  38. gem guy

    have seen both legion and shadow of xdeath moving into geminate with thie new bestest friends controlled chaos in the o2o pocket

    March 19, 2012 at 8:55 am Reply

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