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I am not going to write an epic wall of text promising wonders against botters. Regarding the issue of bots, my stance is to take action. :)

As usual I have no relation to CCP Games; in fact am surprised they let me run. But I am of the opinion that botting is outright cheating. Most botters try to justify themselves saying that their ISK keeps the PLEX market alive. This couldn’t be further from the truth. The EULA abiding players who spend real life money on PLEX and GTCs are the one keeping the market alive. Anyone saying otherwise is a cheater and a lump of shit.

Botting screws you, the market, devaluates ISK, affects CCP, and degrades EVE Online in general.


RVRNICSM7 – A UNITED EVE AGAINST BOTS

We have all heard about the great things CCP Games have been doing to combat bots, some of which its effect have been felt stronger during this last week.

So, in the spirit of celebration I asked myself, why should CCP have all the fun? Why not impart some street justice ourselves?

This is what I would like to ask you to do. If you see a botter, whether you are running your own missions, mining, ganking, ratting, or even market trading, report him.

Reporting him to Eve News24 won’t do any good – nor is it our desire to know whether you report a bot or not. CCP Games is the one who takes action against bots – they’ll check every single case and take care of the red-tape.


How Do I Report a Bot?

For full disclosure, make sure you read CCP Pollux’s devblog on bot reporting. The TL’DR is: right click at the top-left corner of the char info window and select report bot.


Be advised, this is a serious tool so don’t be a dick and report someone who just ganked you. It will get you in trouble. Think, analyze and then act.


How to recognize some botters: Praise be to the Chribba

There are easy signs; take this eve-live Jita for example. Most “deal spammers” are in fact botters. Set the limiter to 2500 rows and look for anyone spamming the same crap for several hours in a row.

This one spammed Jita 1500 times during the last 2 days with an inhumane frequency of 34 seconds on average.

When you see stuff like that, report it please. The eve-live.com tool allows you to click on name and see their conversation for popular public channels.

EVE-Live.com

When in doubt, praise the Chribba.

What About PVE Bots

Regarding the PVE bots, here is an excellent guide on identifying them: The Rise of the Isk Printing Machines.

Apart from that, high-sec botters will mostly react in a stoic manner when they get bumped out of their align at stations, so that’s a good sign. Again, use your mind and have fun.

I Am a Botter,; You Just Lost my Vote Riverini

If you are a botter, here is my official statement:




Hope they get the message!

If you chose to be part of this, keep in mind the fact that CCP Games is now locking the account char transfers, so botters have no loopholes to escape a well deserved ban.

Have fun and happy hunting.

Riverini
CSM Candidate for the United EVE Party
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70 Comments

  1. Karbox Delacroix

    So Riverini apparently knows where to find a video of a bunch of shirtless men furiously gyrating their crotches, not that there is anything wrong with that.

    March 2, 2012 at 3:32 am Reply
    1. wasn't really hard to find – LMAO FTW
      [youtube wyx6JDQCslE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyx6JDQCslE youtube]

      March 2, 2012 at 3:38 am Reply
      1. Karbox Delacroix

        Ok, guess this is one of those "not that there is anything wrong with that" type of evenings.[youtube twQlpFrm5iM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twQlpFrm5iM youtube]

        March 2, 2012 at 3:42 am Reply
        1. that's one amazing name for a corp: Bearforce.

          March 2, 2012 at 3:45 am Reply
          1. Karbox Delacroix

            Great name for legitimate PVE-ers against bots: Bearforce One!

            March 2, 2012 at 3:49 am
          2. poonus

            I will not vote for you if you don't give me a blowjob

            March 3, 2012 at 6:42 am
        2. Horak Thor

          hahaha thankyou for this, like so much.

          March 2, 2012 at 3:01 pm Reply
      2. solar ally

        LMFAO *

        March 2, 2012 at 3:51 am Reply
      3. poonus

        you got owned by mittani in that interview

        March 3, 2012 at 5:56 am Reply
    2. not that hard
      March 2, 2012 at 5:06 am Reply
    3. CareBearStares

      Yeah.. my ONLY problem with that is that LMFAO tots stole my crisp moves.

      March 2, 2012 at 4:46 pm Reply
  2. Michael Meio

    Meh, I wish to play in an equal opportunity environment too. But if CCP is hesitant because of subscribers "numbers", or for the potential in-game "disaster" a full bot wipe could create, we're basically doomed.

    March 2, 2012 at 3:36 am Reply
    1. Michael Meio

      And me? going into that rathole to report bots!!!?

      EEEWWWWW!

      Isn't that CCP's job? I demand a new EULA!

      March 2, 2012 at 3:40 am Reply
    2. CnC

      I imagine the biggest hesitation is to avoid false positives. There are many (myself included) who have run AFK to help the family mid mission (once tank is established or room clear) where I might be actively aligned or drones out killing stuff while running to help an angry wife… (or alt tabbed looking at something, etc).

      Basically, just because someone shows a lack of attentiveness doesn't mean botting, and aggressively hunting bots will surely lead to anger. There are a number of signs that Screegs seems to be using to hunt the bots… and with them no longer able to recycle once-caught characters… it'll be interesting to see how they adapt.

      What I wish they would do is lock ALL characters on ALL accounts by the registered subscriber when he/she is caught once botting. Make botters work for their obfuscation… it would definitely detract that casual botter from trying to keep up. You'll never (fully) catch the hardcore one's, but keeping them jumping is better than nothing.

      March 2, 2012 at 4:21 am Reply
      1. Buggrit

        Whatever anybody says, there is no way or fashion you can consider EVE PVE anything else than utter mindless boring shit and a total tax time to get isk.

        Like going to prison for payment.

        Aggressing everything and dropping the drones is AFK, not botting.

        March 2, 2012 at 4:20 pm Reply
  3. boo

    instead of just banning them how about getting CCP to make the PVE/ratting scene less boring or more profitable or something where it doesnt lead to people who are initially against botting to consider it because the game loses any sense of enjoyment after repeating the same missions over and over and over again…

    March 2, 2012 at 4:05 am Reply
      1. auouymous

        Get CCP to add a simple macroing system to the client. It could warp your client from belt to belt and kill specific types of rats. And you could train it to kill rats in a given order and have a different macro for each anomaly/complex/mission to avoid unwanted aggro an so on. It could even warp your ship from system to system, warp into belts or collect market data such as the prices for a set of items. Automation of scanning would not be possible since it could be used to cheat in PVP. Such a macro system would eliminate the tedious clicking involved with isk making activities.

        And it wouldn't of course have access to the player list in local, requiring the player to actively monitor for hostiles. Players could however do something constructive while making isk. Would it stop the current botting? Most likely not, but increased PLEX prices and fewer players needing to pay for isk might hurt the real botters.

        Riverini: what is your position on my comment to http://www.evenews24.com/2012/02/29/rvrnicsm7-a-n… ?

        March 2, 2012 at 2:41 pm Reply
    1. Derf

      Making anything more profitable will attract bots.
      Bot's are there to make isk, pure and simple. They don't really care what they do for it, mine ice, mine anything, rat, courier run, pretty much anything as long as it makes isk. Afterall, it's not like there's anyone at the keyboard most of the time.

      March 2, 2012 at 5:43 am Reply
  4. No one important

    First your CSM candidacy was based on hating Mittens. Now it's based on following the coattails of dev blogs. Sigh…

    March 2, 2012 at 4:07 am Reply
    1. Zak Z

      Hey asshat, don't know if it's your first day or not, but this isn't the first time EN24/Riv has specifically stated they *do not like* bots and would prefer them out of the game. If you didn't expect Riv's Candidacy to mention his anti-bot position as a talking point at some point, then you need to pay more attention.
      Also, having different talking points doesn't change the entire basis of the candidacy… They're just talking points.

      March 2, 2012 at 8:49 am Reply
  5. Jeffraider

    Don't be an ass. If I can't bot I will have to move out of my moms basement and get a real job. I like eve because it makes me feel useful. Please don't take my life from me.

    March 2, 2012 at 4:43 am Reply
  6. anatlasgoon

    Finger in the wind much?

    March 2, 2012 at 5:06 am Reply
  7. grunticles

    yo riverni, its great that your running for csm and all power to you, but instead of posting this shit to try and get people to vote for you, when they really all wont, can you post soemthin interesting for a change, many thanks

    March 2, 2012 at 7:40 am Reply
  8. chaky

    bots are your friends. bears are the only ones who care in this game.
    why should one hate them? make isk, not war

    March 2, 2012 at 7:44 am Reply
  9. Your Mum

    So first of all you start off writing articles on how to bot and asking people to write in with how they get away with it and now your saying that you are against botting…..

    Seems to me like you are just saying what ever you think people want to hear.
    If next week there was a 9 page post on the eve-o forums saying that people wanted more purple llamas in the game, then im sure we would see a post on here saying that what you think is best for the game and the community is more Llamas!

    Your a joke, have no manifesto and because of this i don't think you will have any chance of getting on the CSM

    March 2, 2012 at 7:56 am Reply
    1. shitpoaster

      I would imagine the true intention of that article was to put pressure on CCP, mission accomplished. If someone posts info on how to bot or starts botting because of an article on EN24 then they are both morons and as morons should be accustomed to getting the shitty end of the stick 9 times out of 10.

      March 2, 2012 at 11:23 am Reply
      1. your mum

        I still stand by the fact that eve needs more purple llamas!
        This will be my main focus point for my csm campaign next year

        March 2, 2012 at 12:16 pm Reply
  10. poonus

    So CCP nail the bots and riverini uses the attention that CCP have garnered (by doing a good job I might add) as a campaigning for CSM tool.

    Weak

    March 2, 2012 at 8:03 am Reply
  11. AntiBotting Alliance

    Would Evenews24 care to comment on the obvious botting occurring in Initiative Mercenaries space? Over 6000 NPC kills last 24 hours in the very systems Riverini is occupying.

    A vote for Riverini is a vote for more botting by his Alliance.

    March 2, 2012 at 9:04 am Reply
    1. I live in N5Y- venal.
      http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Venal/N5Y-4N#kills2

      if u see an obvious botter don't hesitate on reporting him.

      March 2, 2012 at 9:15 am Reply
      1. Sweet memories

        hey riv, can u link article from EN24 about ingame bots for eveplayers the one with those links for bots that en24 was collecting and was it en24 that was telling ppl to get a ingame bot/bots ? and can u tell how many players was banned because of that article in which u offer them bots and some noobs got it and banned ?

        March 2, 2012 at 10:00 am Reply
      2. Horde ratter

        to be fair not everyone that get that many kills was you in local for 24 hour , did you see one group of char rattinng from DT too Dt ,
        the part of nul sec i lived in someone try too say my old corp was botting what it was we sub rent and had US and euro timezone ratter and they ratted an bit don't think we reach 6000 in 24hour but saying 6000np kill in the last 24hour is pointless unless you look at the whole fact and if you long at it over an decent time period as some player do one day isk grid as it thier time off
        so justed going off the NPC kill in the last 24 only is petty stupid

        March 2, 2012 at 11:32 am Reply
      3. Cynic

        Translation: "There are plenty of bots in here taking my rats. Please come kill them so i don't start a diplomatic incident with my blues."

        You know, a good way of defeating bots rather than asking the community who can't get there to help (in 0.0) is to bring in a cloaked up neutral. And if that cloaked up neutral just so happens to be an alt, that keeps the bots safed/posd/cloaked etc and not ratting (most of the time).

        March 2, 2012 at 3:00 pm Reply
        1. AntiBotting Alliance

          There are cloaked up hostiles (Mostly Goonswarm, some others) in N5Y for the last 2 weeks. If any carriers undock to rat they die. The ratters are 100% botting.

          March 2, 2012 at 11:47 pm Reply
    2. sup

      6000 npc kills isn't hard when you rat in carriers…. Look at the npc kills for mission hubs – OMF gawD!111 !1 botterr7es!!!

      March 2, 2012 at 11:39 am Reply
      1. sup

        30 guys in carriers ratting different timezones. Not rare for the good 0.0 systems

        March 2, 2012 at 11:41 am Reply
  12. anon

    How do you expect to keep casual players subscribing when the majority of their time has to be spent doing boring crap just to keep them in ships?

    Get rid bots will not transfer to more PLEX sales as no one in their write mind will spend that much mone on a game. €15 a plex??? FK that!

    March 2, 2012 at 9:28 am Reply
    1. anon

      Too early… lots of typo's i know. An the point was €15 per PLEX after already spending the money on a subscription. 1 Plex will bearly fits any of the decent ships

      March 2, 2012 at 9:30 am Reply
      1. DarthNefarius

        What is you point? Why put a PLEX in anyship when you can activate it from anywhere?

        March 2, 2012 at 7:24 pm Reply
    2. DarthNefarius

      I expect casual player to pay $15 a month for at least 1 subscription & if they decide to pay for more by plexing they should do it by grinding & not AFK botting or NINJA looter scripting ( another form of botting ) all botters are pieces of shit & deserve to have perma account bans DEATH TO ALL DAEMON BOTTERS IN EVE!!

      March 2, 2012 at 4:41 pm Reply
  13. cucubau

    You will never get into CSM. Too many EVe players dislike you

    March 2, 2012 at 9:31 am Reply
    1. Anonymouse

      A lot of players dislike the other candidates as well, but they'll still make it in. Just ask Mittani.

      March 2, 2012 at 4:24 pm Reply
      1. your mum

        The reason why mittens got in is because he is backed by the whole swarm and actually had a decent policy, unlike riv who can't work out what he stands for and just says what he thinks people want to hear…. b4 you ask no I'm not a goon

        March 4, 2012 at 2:04 pm Reply
  14. Voteing for RIV

    I guess i have to vote for you.
    U think:
    Botters suck, they fuck eve so much!
    Mittens …..! :-)
    and you like the "little" eve player over big alliances!
    –>
    I am forced to vote you by the facts. GL hope ou get un.

    March 2, 2012 at 10:13 am Reply
    1. Voteig for RIV

      Sorry for bad and fast typeing.
      :-(

      March 2, 2012 at 10:18 am Reply
  15. PL Winner

    oh why dont you censor comments that point out that you used to publish botting guides on this website?

    oh wait. you allready deleted some of those.

    March 2, 2012 at 11:45 am Reply
  16. dr0ljica

    For Gods sake, how stupid & retarded is this article, and who payed for it ?
    Are u riverirni "buying" ur chair via "news" like this ?!

    First of all, players are NOT supposed to do CCP'S job, period.
    Second, if there is no will from CCP to make life a living hell to all boters, there will be no results, logical.
    Third, those PR bans that CCP just did are only to please retards, 80% were innactive, and the rest of
    200ish bans were cosmetic nature only.

    Those ccp dickheads only need to spend few hours/day in jita to ban "moar than 1000 but less than 2000 acc". Even some juniorgeymaster can do this.

    Why dont they, bot is bot amirite ?

    March 2, 2012 at 12:10 pm Reply
    1. droljica

      fuck u biatch !!!!!

      March 2, 2012 at 9:22 pm Reply
  17. Ender

    Look what happen in China server 6 mounts and everyone happy start making ISK

    March 2, 2012 at 12:40 pm Reply
  18. idea

    Hey i think its great that you found a subject that you beleave will take you to the top of votes.. thats great and good and all that but why would a player bother reporting a player when he can get in trouble for it him self when the bot in question is piloted by a person 5% of the time… I just notice the big disclamer saying i will get in trouble if i report someone that im not 100% sure of and thats why i dont do it.

    Why would it be my job to remove bots from CCP game, its there game, its there jobs.

    The botters keep EVE alive, there is not enough ICE to support all the capitals + towers in the game.
    There is not a snowballs chance in hell that there is a person mining every single ice for every single tower in game, or am i wrong?

    CCP is making an effort to remove the very very bad bots but they know they cannot remove them all or the game would fail.

    Bots will always be part of EVE and its not so bad in the big scheme of things.. i would rather buy the ice than actually mine it.

    My 2 cents.

    March 2, 2012 at 12:50 pm Reply
    1. Anonymouse

      I actually know quite a few ice miners who do it for hours a day to just chill out (pun intended) and talk to their corpmates. I also know of at least one nulsec alliance that has the corps turn in ice blocks based on their membership numbers. (Something rediculous like 25 blocks a character)

      My opinion is that Ice Harvester 2's need to be sped up a bit more 😛

      March 2, 2012 at 4:27 pm Reply
    2. CareBearStares

      "or am i wrong?"
      Um.. yep on so many levels, firstly keep your two cents, don't need this nonsense contributing
      to inflation.

      Warning about misreporting bots is to prevent tools from using CCP’s time and resources having a laugh by intentionally reporting people who are obviously not bots. If you think it's a bot, report it. If you just spam report people in local who talk about your Mum, or people who just ganked your ship you may get in trouble. It's not your job, don't do it if you don't want to.

      Without botters, the price of botmined materials will increase… thereby increasing the incentive for others to fill that demand. Econ 101 (remedial econ even).

      Game won't fail without bots, get a grip.

      Rather buy ice than mine it… Buy it from someone who mines it.

      March 2, 2012 at 4:42 pm Reply
      1. idea

        You speak like you know everything about reporting… which you do not, you cannot gurantee that no action will be taken if you spam all the bots you see… which is about avarage 1 per system i suppose with the highsec and nullsec counting

        Of course where the money is to be made there will be people doing it but the amount of towers will never hold vs nonbot so the gameplay would change and the towers would be more expensive and then moonmaterials and then tech2 which would result to all prices increase.

        CCP income is depenand on the income they gain from EVE and if they would ban all bots the game would fail.

        March 2, 2012 at 5:00 pm Reply
        1. CareBearStares

          I've reported hundreds of bots. No troubles.

          Prices increase, demand fills the gaps or people adjust. See: Goon Ice Interdiction.

          *yawn* Bored now, come back with a profile if you want to throw down. Otherwise find a corner and polish your foil hat, child.

          March 2, 2012 at 5:04 pm Reply
          1. idea

            oh lols, do we do like a stage and do dance moves?

            I have no further comments, there is no point in arguing about it. you nor i cannot know this for a fact, we both have our opinions and i think mine has value while your has none

            March 2, 2012 at 6:01 pm
  19. TheButcherPete

    Still not voting for Riv, the fecker.

    March 2, 2012 at 1:34 pm Reply
  20. Anon

    Pretty sure somebody (wonder who) removed my post about stop using evenews24 as their personal campaign advertisement page.

    March 2, 2012 at 2:28 pm Reply
  21. NoOne

    You just lost my vote…

    There goes 124 votes i could have given you (none of which were banned)

    March 2, 2012 at 3:06 pm Reply
    1. DarthNefarius

      So is your 124 votes then going to Mittens or Darius III 😛

      March 2, 2012 at 7:26 pm Reply
  22. Dirk

    First off, blotting is illegal and there should be no second chances. No 14 or 30 day bans. Once CCP has investigated fully and come to their final decision it is automatic game over full account lockdown. But let's be honest here. CCP is not fully committed to banning botting. There are techno means for doing so that they refuse to implement. On the other hand, some forms of botting do keep prices down. Hate to say it but mining bot as well as drone alloy ratters do put supply into the system, thus keeping prices artificially lower. However, bounty ratter bots only add isk to the game which has an inflationary effect. Anything regarding plex is just bullshit though. In the end, regardless of any positive or negative impact that bots have, they should all be banned instapermanently.

    March 2, 2012 at 3:41 pm Reply
    1. Demon Azrakel

      If you think that the majority of the eve playerbase actually cares about prices, would even care if prices doubled (they would not, because the pure isk faucet into the system would be reduced as well), you are deluding yourself

      March 2, 2012 at 5:59 pm Reply
  23. DarthNefarius

    "The EULA abiding players who spend real life money on PLEX and GTCs are the one keeping the market alive. Anyone saying otherwise is a cheater and a lump of shit. "
    I whole heartedly agree with the above statement & wish the Italian botter carried out his threat to ATTEMPT suicide or that the Italian Police arrested him & put him under a 24 hour psych hold to punish him… DEATH TO ALL DAEMON BOTTERS IN EVE!!

    March 2, 2012 at 4:37 pm Reply
  24. wut

    VOTE RIVERBOCCHINI

    March 2, 2012 at 5:10 pm Reply
  25. Former NC

    This is a hell of a turnaround from those botting articles you posted a while back encouraging botting(even if it was for the purpose of highlighting errors to CCP, it was still encouraged). You now want to banwhack anybody who tried to help you out before? Sounds to me like you're trying too hard to get elected man. That and quickly jumping on the bandwagon from yesterday's article.

    March 2, 2012 at 7:50 pm Reply
  26. He who was there

    If you want to improve something riverini, how about you start to learn how to properly set the cache headers of your own site such that it stops telling user's browsers to display outdated information?

    March 2, 2012 at 9:57 pm Reply
  27. Deadloch

    Here's a possible couple of solutions to the "Botting" problem.

    You rat a system for a week you expect a certain level of income. What if the certain level of income wasn't so certain. Let's say for example you warp to a belt with your ratting ship and you meet up with the 3 battleship spawn… blow them up, then move onto the next belt for a 3 hr period, the more you rat there, the stronger the ships become… exponentially increasing EHP values on the NPCs. So let's put a % increase in EHP of the rest of the ships each time a NPC ship is blown up. By the time 3 hrs goes by, your income potential decreases dramatically. Yes the ships are there, but they are harder and harder to pop.

    Now let's also add a "Bounty" for PVP. You blow up a "Red" Battleship, you get a certain amount of ISK for it. Go roaming, Pop a Hulk? Get 500k. Pop a Battleship, get 2mil. Fleet fight, Your Fleet kills 300 Battleships and you have a fleet of 500, That's 1.2 Mil each + Salvage. Doesn't sound like much but would also have the effect of encouraging roaming parties. This also causes an ISK sink. That 2 Mil bounty + the Max Insurance payout doesn't make up for the cost of the ship. Good PVP will be rewarded.

    March 2, 2012 at 10:03 pm Reply
  28. Riverini

    Hi…. Yes

    March 3, 2012 at 1:11 am Reply
  29. SG Goonslap

    "Botting screws you, the market, devaluates ISK, affects CCP, and degrades EVE Online in general."

    More importantly, botting skews the market (which you have stated), not only financially but by making inflated volumes of product which would not otherwise be nearly as available, but it also indirectly affects game mechanics, i.e. null sec pvp, sov, etc. If anyone thinks those titans blobs haven't had a profound impact on null sec, they probably don't understand where most of the massive amounts of minerals came from to make them either. Then we can always take it further and talk about RMT. Yes botting is the root of much Eve ill.

    March 3, 2012 at 10:23 am Reply
  30. -x-

    I don't like bots myself, but I understand that if CCP bans industrial bots in empire digging trit and ice it will affect economics pretty badly. Mining ice is not so profitable or fun, tritanium also.
    I personally dont want see trit on the market for 12 isk per 1.

    About RMT bots, [email protected] yeah! Ban the fuckers as many as U can.

    RA space was the largest farm for bots in Eve before AAA and friends attacked these regions. But same bot corps just went to other safe places. It is [email protected] insane to see bots on 14+ carriers undocking from station.
    These corps are pretty small like 5-24 ppl in. Ex RA citizens in 90% cases these are bots

    March 4, 2012 at 6:33 am Reply

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