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We received a youtube link yesterday.  Amidst the fierce combat, it seems Raiden decided to test a theory.  The theory that they have enough titans to doomsday a titan.


They do.

Welcome to a new era of supercapital warfare. Keep shooting.

Bagehi – Hater of Supers

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110 Comments

  1. Lorren Canada

    Apparently the Levi pilot still hasn't finished paying off the ship. whoops

    January 24, 2012 at 6:14 pm Reply
  2. Kenny G

    Tom Cruise, deliver us all…

    January 24, 2012 at 6:28 pm Reply
  3. Nubs

    He wont be paying it off now.

    January 24, 2012 at 6:28 pm Reply
  4. dreamersofreality

    *sarcasm* aww poor goons /sarcasm

    goons now are learning that there blob, means nothing to raiden and that goon supers die very quickly.

    January 24, 2012 at 6:29 pm Reply
    1. LightMeUpJohnny

      wait wait wait…goon blobs used to mean something? hmmm this is news to me…

      January 24, 2012 at 6:48 pm Reply
    2. Billy Goat Gruff

      skeet skeet!

      January 24, 2012 at 6:57 pm Reply
  5. droljica

    If Raiden. has 'nuf isk to jerk around with stuff like this, wher is mitannis isk? Gone RMT ?!?

    well, goontards gonna hate 'gain …..

    January 24, 2012 at 6:29 pm Reply
  6. Name

    Even more reason to scale titan dd to sig radius and reduce target sig radius by x where x is the number of active locks on a target. 10 titans lock a titan 11th titan should take 20 minutes to get a lock.

    January 24, 2012 at 6:30 pm Reply
    1. The Observer

      bad idea is bad

      January 24, 2012 at 6:51 pm Reply
    2. laffo

      So, titans jump in, lock eachother and are henceforth invincible? Nice mechanic bro.

      January 24, 2012 at 7:43 pm Reply
    3. Helm

      Yeah, we can do the same with maelstorm….

      January 24, 2012 at 9:31 pm Reply
    4. lolololol

      Lol the tears are strong in this one. Poor little goonie. :)

      January 24, 2012 at 11:03 pm Reply
    5. siggers

      What's your next idea? A chocolate fireguard?

      January 26, 2012 at 10:34 am Reply
  7. rzr dude

    Dont goons have a super cap replacment service ?

    Im guesing by some of the comments they dont very odd for such a huge alliance

    January 24, 2012 at 6:30 pm Reply
    1. bagehi

      I don't think Goon Command has had much love for supers for too long to promote their use by having a replacement plan. I can only hope their out-of-game efforts (CSM, etc) to change supers is more effective than their in-game efforts.

      January 24, 2012 at 6:41 pm Reply
      1. anon

        Wrong. Goons do have a replacement plan, as well as a subsidy for super cap mods/implants/skillbooks.

        January 24, 2012 at 7:44 pm Reply
        1. truefacts

          I hear they also have decent dental insurance.

          January 24, 2012 at 10:59 pm Reply
          1. Lorren Canada

            tech man

            January 25, 2012 at 3:59 am
          2. bob

            must be socialitsts

            January 25, 2012 at 9:40 am
      2. Intel is ur friend

        You Realise by Reporting the wrong facts you make your self look like as much of an Ass that Riverini does daily

        January 24, 2012 at 10:50 pm Reply
        1. bagehi

          Pretty confident I did not say goons have or don't have a replacement program. I simply said it would make sense if they didn't, based on their vocal anti-super statements.

          January 24, 2012 at 11:46 pm Reply
      3. de4deye_

        Supers need a buff if anything. All you Debbie Downers are stupid – Blobs of idiots with no isk or skills need to be nerfed.

        January 24, 2012 at 11:08 pm Reply
        1. bagehi

          That makes for a rather boring game. Opening a cyno as an i-win button got old after about three months for me.

          January 24, 2012 at 11:47 pm Reply
          1. anonymous

            They don't need a buff and only need a slight nerf if any. Maybe a slight tracking nerf so they can't hit cruisers and battlecruisers (unless they are dumb and burn in a straight line towards their enemy) would be acceptable but they should still annihilate battleships when there is enough titans. It is not anybody's fault but goons that their sole fleet ships are maelstroms and hurricanes. You can't alpha titans goonswarm stop trying to.

            January 25, 2012 at 1:42 am
          2. Tiniff

            titans dont need to be nerfed anymore. and they cant hit bc and cruiser without proper support and thats OK. Titans are even balanced in that way that an Alliance with not that much members is able to kompensate less fleetmember with more expensive ships.

            January 25, 2012 at 9:31 am
          3. Trapped

            This video shows that raiden. can alpha a titan….

            January 25, 2012 at 9:34 am
          4. Titan Pilot

            Its called MANING UP and bringing your supers. Its not an I-WIN button, they can go down just as easy as the next ship if you know how to fight them. Its chicken shits like goons that are afraid of bring thier big toys to the game. Why have supers if you won't use them? In that case nerf ALFA strike ships because they don't let logi lock on them fast enough before the ship is dead… That way its more of a balance between using rails or using atrillary, hell even lasers :) Alpha is like a mini I-WIN if you think about it. Stop your bitching and grow a pair BRING YOUR SUPERS.

            I feel i have earned my keep, Constantly ratting and working towards and very expensive ship that i cannot even dock. You get what you pay for…

            January 25, 2012 at 8:35 am
          5. hakona

            "Why have supers if you won't use them? "

            because CCP can't realistically remove them from game at this point :/

            January 25, 2012 at 9:32 am
          6. He who was there

            Solution 1: make them easier to destroy. This removes them indirectly
            Solution 2: make them more expensive. Single investement cost doesn't work. It would only delay the aquisition rate, so monthly upkeep.
            Solution 3: make them need maintenance. They need to go into a CSAA for X days all Y days or they disable all modules. This blocks construction of new super capitals in the CSAA and puts some of them out of active combat reducing the number of fieldable ones. Might even cause fights to happen more over CSAA towers.
            Solution 4: …

            There are lots of things that *could* be done. The question is wheter CCP wants them more easily killed or rather reduce the number of how many can be active on the battlefield.

            Or if they are fine with the current status, which basically means everyone's supposed to converge to a supercap pilot as career end target and we're supposed to really play the often mentioned "supercaps online".

            January 25, 2012 at 3:12 pm
          7. CnC

            Reduce hitpoints to their old values, problem solved =D

            January 25, 2012 at 3:39 pm
          8. Trapped

            If they go down as easy as any other ship than 100 maels should be able to alpha one.

            From experience, 500 maels, can't alpha one. Sounds hard to kill to me.

            January 25, 2012 at 9:33 am
          9. anonymous

            Because you are trying to use an alpha ship to take down something with enough ehp to take the alpha of more maelstroms then you can field. You guys whine and complain but you don't adapt any other strategy and then cry all over the forums about how these titans are unbeatable. Yea they are when your only fleet type is to bring as many maels as possible, alpha doesn't work against something with that much ehp newbs. It is a titan it is supposed to be hard to kill other wise it would cost as much as a dreadnaught. And to the goon whose complaining about blues how about you take a look at how many people are in your coalition. You are the last people that can complain about blues right now. We aren't just going to let you steamroll the north so man up and try to use a new strategy.

            January 25, 2012 at 11:25 am
          10. Titan Pilot

            LOOK AT THE MONEY DIFFERENCE, srsly you want to alpha a titan with 100 maelstroms, that would be a bad investment if you ask me, bring about 70+ bill worth of maelstroms and you just might get what you want… until that day stop complaining coz your too poor to enjoy the game.

            January 25, 2012 at 11:44 am
          11. rara

            Assuming 10k alpha per Maelstrom and 50m EHP for the titan, you need 5000 Maelstroms to alpha it. At about 200m ISK per Maelstrom, you're looking at ~1 trillion ISK. That's over an order of magnitude greater than your estimate.

            Additionally, 70 billion ISK worth of Maelstroms is only 350 Maels, which the CFC have certainly fielded before.

            January 25, 2012 at 2:52 pm
          12. He who was there

            People like throwing around uninformed numbers.

            The problem, by the way is not that single titan. A single titan dies. Rather ask yourself how to engage 20 titans. Or 40. Or a supercap blob of 100 supercapitals.

            These things have no counter except bigger numbers of the same. That breaks the rock-paper-scissor thing. All other shipclasses have valid counters, this has not.

            The question is solely if that is ok within the game, considering that more supercaps are being built than destroyed and if CCP would rather have more of them killed or make it more difficult to field them in numbers (reduce concurrent use). The last one would be possible to add "sov upkeep" to titans for example. Each titan costs 25% of build cost every month of disables all modules. Bam immediate reduction of titans in active use. Just an idea, but there are multiple venues CCP can go IFF they think the current proliferation and blobbing of basically mega EHP ships is a problem.

            January 25, 2012 at 3:06 pm
          13. anonymous

            They are the only things that don't get alpha'd by maelstroms. They should look into that as well. Why my tengu even has a chance of dieing at any range to their artillery is game breaking.

            January 25, 2012 at 7:40 pm
          14. Titan Pilot

            was talking about 70 bil worth of ships vs 1 titan, sorry but titan would die, in the engagements Goons have fought they have an assload more money dropped on them then what they feild…

            January 26, 2012 at 11:41 am
          15. goon

            No, it's called bluing up with every other supercapital fleet of consequence. Turbonigger.

            January 25, 2012 at 10:42 am
          16. bagehi

            Honestly, the problem with supers is they take a long time to get, but once you get them, their replay value is limited. They contribute heavily to bittervet syndrome.

            Players spend years working to fly one, but most people only play with those things for a few months before many stop playing Eve. Because they simply aren't enough fun to warrant the time and effort spent getting them. It is extremely rare that they see combat where there is enough risk to provide that excitement that people crave from PVP in Eve.

            Sure supers are being fielded against supers right now. They cannot logout. Sure, the risk has increased for flying them. I doubt any more supers are dying now, on average, than before. It is the same: join fleet, jump to cyno, kill as much as you can before it escapes.

            I am not saying this only from my perspective. There are a lot of super pilots who aren't playing anymore. For this very reason. They finally get this ship they've spent all this time and effort working to get… and it is boring.

            January 25, 2012 at 1:46 pm
          17. Santa

            I totally, been playing the game for 3 years, always been a poor shit, recently i went from 1b to 80b in a few month, due to a new method of making isk. got a super and bored as fuck.

            the best time u have in eve is probs the start and the middle but for me eve is kinda boring now.

            January 25, 2012 at 3:11 pm
          18. laffo

            The supercap pilots you're reffering to are playing in alliances that don't use supercaps. On alliances that actively use supercaps (PL and raiden) you see very few inactive supercap pilots. Shitty alliance leadership is the leading cause of afk supercaps, not bitterness.

            January 25, 2012 at 4:26 pm
          19. bagehi

            Actually, no. I interviewed one of the super cap FCs from PL a little while ago and he had stated that they have had similar issues as every other alliance with keeping super pilots logging in. I've spoken to other major alliance FCs who have stated the same. Again, I'm not saying this from my experience.

            January 25, 2012 at 4:56 pm
          20. anonymous

            I think the problem is that it is impossible to have fun in a ship worth that much. There are no carefree titan losses because they are so hard to get and it is detrimental when you lose one to your enemy so you don't take any chances with them. If you get caught doing something stupid with one of those ships you are most often asked to leave the alliance. It is a lot more pressure then fun owning them.

            January 25, 2012 at 10:04 pm
          21. Ex-NC Grunt

            Maning up – Wearing your long hair with pride! I've got a gorgeous mane.

            January 25, 2012 at 5:55 pm
  8. Guest

    TAKE IT IN THE FACE!

    January 24, 2012 at 6:31 pm Reply
  9. guest

    "Bagehi – Hater of Super"

    You are not alone.

    January 24, 2012 at 6:34 pm Reply
  10. GoonsAreObsolete

    Nevermind the supers, Death To All Goons!

    January 24, 2012 at 6:35 pm Reply
  11. Gsf grunt

    Bagehi is a maggot? Yes that has been confirmed many times.

    January 24, 2012 at 6:37 pm Reply
  12. The Observer
    January 24, 2012 at 6:45 pm Reply
  13. Billy Goat Gruff

    We call that a facial where i'm from… skeet skeet bitches

    January 24, 2012 at 6:48 pm Reply
  14. guest

    audio alone makes it a fail video.

    January 24, 2012 at 6:52 pm Reply
  15. onois

    WN already alphad an atlas rag a year ago shit be old news

    January 24, 2012 at 7:02 pm Reply
    1. onois

      Hey negrep niggers heres the vid

      [youtube K-R5j2IuB6U http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-R5j2IuB6U youtube]

      January 24, 2012 at 9:04 pm Reply
      1. Anom
        January 24, 2012 at 9:12 pm Reply
        1. pink panther

          hey hey. only 11 titans with full hardeners and dc and power diags ? no way you could DD alpha with only 11 titans, just saing

          January 25, 2012 at 6:56 am Reply
          1. onois

            Well the titan did a full broadside when the rag was at full shields and the rag was already dead before the last 2 guns cycled i would call that an alpha.

            Also this was before the ehp nerf, so that can tell you even more

            January 25, 2012 at 7:16 am
          2. pink panther

            well it is another point of view but that, i am saing that titan wasn't alphaed only with DD.s like the raiden one, ignoring the abadons from it

            January 25, 2012 at 4:53 pm
  16. zef

    we got a km somewhere?

    January 24, 2012 at 7:04 pm Reply
  17. raptor217

    PL alpha'd an AAA erebus with doomsdays over a month ago. This is old news. Report on something interesting, like using dreads to take DD's while dropping a smaller super fleet.

    January 24, 2012 at 7:10 pm Reply
    1. ohhai

      that's a super cool story br0

      January 24, 2012 at 7:33 pm Reply
    2. anonymous

      you know that only worked because the titan was all alone after it got bumped. In any other circumstance enough dreads would have been instantly wiped out that the supers would rep that titan

      January 24, 2012 at 7:48 pm Reply
      1. raptor217

        If they're able to drop 100 dreads they'll be doing about 5 million alpha. Their supercarriers would be taken out in 5-6 shots. Raiden's 50 super carriers can't tank that. Any triage carriers would have to be on the field already (getting alpha'd by 600 goon maels) and on the ball to have any hope. Also titan bumps are inevitable, and titans are hard to replace while dreads can be built relatively quickly and only cost 400m to replace if insured. Their dreads are set to tank 3-4 dooms days (they only drop armor supers so they can tank em/therm DD's) and once Raiden titans are out of doomsdays goons can bring in a small super fleet and leverage that to their advantage. Titans won't be able to tank that.

        January 24, 2012 at 8:57 pm Reply
        1. ispywithmylittle

          i suggest cheking test alliance killboard on some towers from between now and 6 months, hint hint 150+

          January 24, 2012 at 9:44 pm Reply
        2. retard 304101032

          so they have 100 man dread fleet? when that DOES happen it will be fun, and I can assure you that it will last a very long time vs raidens super fleet, their 100+ supers will tremble in the face of 100+ capitals, really please show raiden what 5million alpha looks like,

          January 24, 2012 at 11:30 pm Reply
          1. goon

            do you have aspergers?

            just wondering

            January 25, 2012 at 10:39 am
    3. Got a KM for that? I'd be interested to see it.

      January 24, 2012 at 9:28 pm Reply
    4. pink panther

      also mister…whatever this is the km : http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=119

      12 titans do the mats and see if you can DD alpha that Erebus with that number .

      No boys noone DD alpha a titan before

      January 25, 2012 at 7:04 am Reply
  18. ex-NC

    alfa-ing a titan, HAHAHA !!!

    January 24, 2012 at 7:40 pm Reply
    1. Eve 2012 Drama

      *Alpha.

      Alfa is shorthand for an Italian line of medium priced luxury cars.

      January 25, 2012 at 3:01 pm Reply
      1. High Sec Pubbbbie

        +10 for english teacher.

        -10 for fucking russians that can't learn the PH trick.

        January 25, 2012 at 5:33 pm Reply
  19. Akrasjel Lanate

    GF Raiden.

    January 24, 2012 at 8:02 pm Reply
  20. Marcus_McTavish

    I think the point was that the Leviathan was not even bubbled, that they managed to DD it before it could warp.

    two words.
    BOOM! HEADSHOT!!!

    January 24, 2012 at 8:05 pm Reply
  21. Former NC

    If other alliances managed to alpha a Titan weeks or months ago, why were they not bragging about it? I reluctantly give props to Raiden. for this, it's fucking insane that so much DPS can exist in one fleet.
    Reluctantly because it's still Raiden. at the end of the day.

    January 24, 2012 at 8:13 pm Reply
    1. Phalanx

      Because its just another day for PL.

      January 24, 2012 at 8:17 pm Reply
      1. sup

        ffs we could have dd 3 titans insta. Goon played it smart. Dropped dreads first, then tits. That levi was payback for the erebus. Hence all the dd. 15-17 is enough to alpha a tit.

        January 24, 2012 at 8:36 pm Reply
        1. ex-NC

          do they want a cookie for killing a shield titan…. really? i mean come on now 17 titans to dd 1 titan yea feel proud. and its been done before jeez raiden are trying to seem like they are hotshots lol.

          January 24, 2012 at 9:47 pm Reply
          1. anonymous

            Leviathans have a lot of ehp

            January 25, 2012 at 1:44 am
          2. dreamersofreality

            levis and erbs have some of the highest EHP because of there own buff. However the avatar under an erb bonus has the most but that takes good timing and coordination for things like that to happen. Something that goons severely lack.

            January 25, 2012 at 2:19 am
          3. Trololol

            Considering raiden would've lost more than one titan if we jumped into system rather than logged in. Now leviathans have instant 4.6m shield hp :)

            January 25, 2012 at 4:33 am
          4. Bullshit…

            cyno went up and dreads were right on top 😉

            January 25, 2012 at 11:04 am
          5. oh… "I was there" :)

            January 25, 2012 at 11:05 am
    2. bob

      technicly its alpha not dps 😉

      January 25, 2012 at 9:42 am Reply
  22. Lol

    Spring offensive against goons gonna rock, can't wait.

    January 24, 2012 at 8:30 pm Reply
    1. plexforceone

      DEKLEIN BY FEBRUARY

      January 25, 2012 at 3:44 pm Reply
  23. JC Anderson

    What the hell is that song anyhow?

    January 24, 2012 at 8:39 pm Reply
    1. JC Anderson

      Searched for the lyrics and found it. Its a piece by Globus called "Doomsay, or Break from this world" depending on the source.

      January 24, 2012 at 8:59 pm Reply
    2. DeeDee

      This is the song.

      January 24, 2012 at 11:01 pm Reply
  24. lawl

    old news is bad

    January 24, 2012 at 8:49 pm Reply
  25. Wilson Yu

    yea.. that is retarded. If you are going to do that with titans, might as well do it with all ships than to make it fair and square. So now if that were to be implemented there will be no big battles bigger than 15 people? wow you are so smart

    January 24, 2012 at 8:54 pm Reply
  26. LET THE TEARS FLOW

    You don't seriously think Mittani is going to spend that much ISK on the alliance when he would rather it go to his personal wallet do you? What he then does with it as far as I am concerned I have no idea but I have heard things like RMT, etc which really isn't a great idea.

    The goons may have mainly lower end SP characters, but when you have a situation where they just keep coming & coming (good numbers) no matter how many of them you kill it is inevitable that they will win sometimes.

    As for Mittani doing anything for the game through the CSM I really wouldn't hold my breath waiting. The sooner they change the rules on who can be in the CSM & how long they can keep being elected back in the better as he has run his race & as far as many are concerned has come out lacking.

    January 24, 2012 at 11:14 pm Reply
    1. goon

      lmao you dumb nigger

      January 25, 2012 at 10:41 am Reply
    2. Jarhead

      FOUR MORE YEARS!

      January 26, 2012 at 1:21 pm Reply
  27. Meh

    Meh, Goons only had 2 Titans in that fight. Anyhow, if you take a look at the killboards for most of the fights like this you'll see that Goons blobb with Alpha Meals.

    While Raiden. blobb with dozens of titans and SCs, which obviously wipes out most subcaps with ease.

    January 25, 2012 at 12:42 am Reply
    1. Lorren Canada

      Actually there were a lot more CFC supers that showed up on the mail – it's just that the 70+ dreads killed the Erebus so fast they couldn't even get on the mail.

      January 25, 2012 at 4:07 am Reply
      1. Meh

        Yeah, I didn't mean exactly that fight though. I meant most of the the fights before that one, Alpha Maels from the CFC and superblobbs from Raiden.

        Pretty predictable moves from both sides.

        January 25, 2012 at 9:59 am Reply
  28. Random Miner

    I like the part when the goon died

    January 25, 2012 at 12:51 am Reply
  29. Anotherstupidgoon

    No maelstroms on the market

    January 25, 2012 at 2:48 am Reply
  30. a no lifer

    Someone is sucking raiden. really hard

    January 25, 2012 at 3:09 am Reply
  31. Qwerty4812

    i wish this wasn't on sisi

    January 25, 2012 at 3:34 am Reply
    1. anonymous

      it wasn't?

      January 25, 2012 at 10:07 pm Reply
  32. Hater of the Year

    Haters Gonna Hate Always!!!

    January 25, 2012 at 4:09 am Reply
  33. Meh

    Meh, Goons only had 2 Titans in that fight. Anyhow, if you take a look at the killboards for most of the fights like this you'll see that Goons blobb with Alpha Meals.

    January 25, 2012 at 9:01 am Reply
    1. Da Dude

      2 Leviathany, at least 1 Ragnarok and an Erebus + several Moms…

      January 25, 2012 at 2:37 pm Reply
      1. Meh

        Yeah, how bout you actually put a little effort in understaning what I write? I sad MOST of the fights, not that Goons never used SCs in THAT fight…

        January 25, 2012 at 10:10 pm Reply
  34. Da Dude

    I would like to devote this song Mittani:

    And now, the end is near; and so I face the final curtain….

    [youtube 6E2hYDIFDIU
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E2hYDIFDIU youtube]

    January 25, 2012 at 10:34 am Reply
  35. I used to be a Leaviathan pilot then i took an doomsday to the knee. >>>>>———->

    January 25, 2012 at 11:13 am Reply
  36. Capitan Zapato
    January 25, 2012 at 11:47 am Reply
  37. Superduden

    It seems to me that the new log off mechanic changed supers, and how they work.
    Back in the dayes, a big super fleet could engage another bog super fleet, and if things turned sour, you could log off, and maybe loose 6-7 titans.

    now, if u commit to a fight. u win or die! for a singel pilot, this is not such an issue. but if a big alliance looses all it supers in one fight. that alliance can just disband. there is not alot u can do hitting on 150 super caps with only maybe 1200 subcaps.

    gief old mechanic back, and lets see some supers burn!

    January 25, 2012 at 12:57 pm Reply
  38. but supercapitals aren't broken

    January 25, 2012 at 3:01 pm Reply
  39. Having enough titans to DD volley an enemy titan is definitely not a new concept, it has been around for a long ass time, and has been used in pretty much every major super v super engagement. Have enough DD's to get rid of maybe the first 1 1/2 titans then try and have either enough tank or enough luck to minimise the return volley.

    January 26, 2012 at 4:35 am Reply

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