Everyone should be aware by now that Legion of xXDEATHXx and SOLAR FLEET are at war now. To shed some light on why it has come to this, I have translated a public post made by Mactep’s ex-right hand man, Big, who has helped Mactep for the past 5 years. This in no way represents my beliefs nor an attempt to publicly slander SOLAR FLEET and its members. This is strictly for informative use only, you are responsible for whatever opinion comes out of this.

Everything you wanted to know about Solar Fleet, but were afraid to ask.

Editor’s Note: The following post was made by none other than BigMaman, if you don’t know who he is we recommend reading this Eve News24 article.

Alright, since (Stain Empire) and Kuto posted Mactep’s side of story (the original can be found here

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Solar Fleet Crysis

Reset the XIX Today we have agreed on mutual reset after 8th gm. (well, so, for decency’s sake, that it did not have any sudden attack at 7 am) How and why this situation emerged, I think many already knew not the 1st month. I will explain in more detail. 21/07/2011 MB – takes what he does not belong. 22/07/2011 I notify all the alliances that positive standings \ attitude that “finding a plus BM in the alliance will be unacceptable to SF.” (the phrase is absolutely accurate ) Logically, this meant or you do not accept or agree to, but you can reset the stands with SF. In particular, from the BH (+ being at that time) and the RA comes similar wording (ie, different words, but the general sense), they say, and so would not have taken . dichu comes to a similar notice. And after the 22nd – dich goes into “subscriber not available”. 25/07/2011 Published toad. * Our goal in this war to kill aah, all goes according to avagon pussy, if they show the structure at night – hire pandemikov. The war will be to victorious. * What is the SF. I would not like to talk shit to the side UNTIL our neighbors there, which is inappropriate actions by the Federal Council, or rather, in particular, the Master of my address – so the “look at the developments,” \ The phrase until the neighbors * surprised everyone, including I for about inappropriate actions, I realized at once. The first part is aimed at allies – to show that we are to end. The second – preparation for further developments. * 07.08.2011. Game start filigree moon SF. Because suddenly needed a “general all dronregov scan” (in this case, I’m still willing to believe in coincidence, though after the toads had already sensed that something was wrong), 20/08/2011. (20-24 numbers) BM swells the ranks of XIX. deliberate step, and there is not already in the BM and it can be forgotten about. Dich knew that for this action was to follow the reset. And in this case could be a new kerf toad from the series: “- As long as our ships travel through AAA – SOLAR FLEET will attack us from behind, in order to prevent it.” Under this topic you can easily redirect the vector SRF – to clean up invalid and useless Solari. And while there is a good buffer to remove SOLAR FLEET from the south of the arena. Pick up the remainder of Space and picked up a number of SOLAR FLEET Bldg. Knowing this, we only reduce the booth and close the docks – making it clear that about any further territorial alliance we can not go, at the same time giving time to think again. already started a discussion about what to LOD reset. And go to first estimations of the war. 08/28/2011 After 2 personal meetings and correspondence with one director – I’m getting is very interesting information that is generally boiled down to that game will be attacked in the middle of SOLAR FLEET\ the end of September. Date not yet known, and as soon as all will be designed, negotiated – I just put before the fact. In turn, I tried to explain that this is not a good idea. And in case of loss Spacey, in contrast to the SC to rot in a thread delv we do not fly. Even with the whole situation on his hands, especially rypatsya did not, I only informally warned seo to psychologically be ready for any possible losses and pressure stations \ Space and if the situation will turn extremely negative – that to depart in Conor, or other nearest point .. Another interesting information came to the forums (since the pilot permission to copy, and it also relates to the theme of skins, and here) Fleet kontseptik. (before This was the theme as counter cans and ideas about KZT) 29.08.2011 What makes you think that we need to fight against the cans? general info about how that will reset dich * ————– ———————————- SDG – Zloj MaNGooST the points – in SRF – canisters basic format. atrophy, but the cans may be hellkety. all young people swayed by it. with dichami infa next – I ‘ll with them sometimes I drink beer =) the general attitude of the coalition that SOLAR FLEET – not with us and get in a jam, no mention of this same dichem and invite me to her with the words “your evicted in impu, of us.” then I see in dtchah Biga, and your order of 4 stand. make conclusions. PS: Considering that I drank with their directors’ composition, h tends to a minimum perestrahovatsya. naturally into politics, I do not climb, there is one in thee hell with you and only the thunder of course =)) 02/10/2011 Psycho declares the dissolution of the SRF. 10/02/2011 We run wild as there is a new toad. Where is the key point, which in principle was aims to bring its “already a new position” to the masses. “Solari has territorial allies, so we’re not going to attack them if they will not attack first” (Thanks for the favor of course – the right to not be worth) Realizing that the danger has passed so far – we are creating a corporation SG in order to reshape, fly away and quietly fly to the west (this is planned for a long time, and was not associated with these problems, but because of various problems neponyatok and delayed). Not very distant pilots considered this desire to cut the neighbors and their pets – in order to finely napakostnichat of neutral building and, despite the fact that this option was also considered, we flew just to the west. ———————— —————————- What happened with the neocortex? This kind of force majeure. Just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Dich already knew that he write to me: – Put my + new ali Renteria (even with the word please) There is an answer: – Yes, now will be done! – Not worth it. So did just gave them the green light and say negotiate for yourself if you analyze that. In this situation, I thought long and do not think there was even stamped + mistake, this was more than ali catalyst and accelerator of conflict. Another question is that while I thought I had time to build and nakosyachit situation so that the other options it could no longer be. Keep bulbs from neutral Ali, and his head to hide a plus – a lot of crazy is not necessary, it would wish. But, it’s not are important and you can clearly tell that it was in relation to financial dichu. —————————- I also proposed the idea – to create corpuscu neutral at the time, which would be most willing to transfer from the alliance and the presence of SOLAR FLEET + and dock – easy to fly, Gopal * neighbors. But whether such actions were not. Yeah, if your game did not notice the light bulbs *, we would have noticed right away and would howl went up creepy. ———————- ——- As a reason they (HZ) were not needed. First, there is not time, while yet another GRD were in the west and outside the alliance. That’s why I asked them not to touch or not Starbases Sovereignty, realizing that this could lead to war right away. Secondly, it was all decided, but there knew about this six dirov \ adm SDG forum, including me. And I think many seo \ Director \ ipk already imagined that nothing will be forgotten. Speak directly or post on the forum after 2-3-4 months will be a war, as you know, I could not. So hang on HZ all the dogs and talk about what they were to blame I will not. They were just under the shadow games and challenges, and I think very happy with their performance. Dich think too happy new acquisition. As for his political arena razygrovki wait did not work (the situation after the transition of the building in karibasov + ali, with continued camping and hanging in a tuft on the territory of the Federation Council has formed a very negative point, but after a show reynforsa – already jumped in the game, they say so what to do now would mean that – hang on until January will not work) * or again to close the problem, say wait a little bit. We are likely, and so get into the situation 3 months old. The only difference is that during this time had partially prepared. Prior to the final stage of preparation, we did not reach, so we will adapt as we go. We can still pull up to 20x numbers, or until January .. It would be convenient, but some actions infuriated at the end. Now this is a step into the unknown, who will major problems, movements and unrest. But I understand that if you do not grow together then, when srastetsya will be much worse. And wait for the map and lies zagryzut – personally I do not make much sense. Despite the fact that the reset already (on our part) was in development in which the patch was only a guide, the exact date was not. In my plan was to look at the movement of a number of alliances, one of which was not an unambiguous statement about what will happen after the patch (in the future I otpishu talking about with reference to the information which is already in sight), and from which I have seen immediate threat. And just wait until their employment – to declare war and make reset. Unfortunately this has not turned out to wait. (Respectively LOD and 10 + for Renteria, who already can build fleets and have 200-300-400 xxx triliony ISOC – a threat not considered initially – the question was only one of these lawsuits will fly harness oneself) it was hard to communicate with those who came out to touch and told us about the good “attitude” *, expressed “respect” * and so on. For they came from a * rainbow peace. I started from the fact that I know. And these concepts emerge only when from you that you need. I can reiterate that dich during this period from July 22, never made ​​contact (icq \ eve pm), has not responded to a single message. Could not make out any problems .. That for me personally it is not surprising – certainly was sure to disassemble them will not have to. (This is the latest hype, which allegedly does not meet the Wizard) But sit down, too, did not work (“already” did not work), so dichu before you write the book “how difficult it is to be God” and “how we created the CCP Eve” have to complete the plan.

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Then I will also post mine.

Disclaimer – the aim of this post is to shed some light on some events from the side of person who was for a while at the center of events of one alliance.

Lets start with the main topic – what is the main reason for the conflict between Mactep and UAxDEATH. It didnt start yesterday or before yesterday, it begun 3 years ago.
If someone remembers, Evil Thug reset Goonswarm and with BoB begun to fight an alliance that was a long member of RSF coalition (RedSwarmFederation), the reason for the conflict there you can look up in the old archives, but it doesn’t matter.

XIX and SOLAR FLEET were a formidable force back then, and someone didn’t like that very much. The solution to this problem, to my surprise, was as old as our world, money.
And the cost was reasonable for that man who already have invested large sums into Eve, $15000. For the leader of the alliance, by the side of whose I have been for the past 5 years and was considering him a friend, and whom I have supported, it was enough.

Considering that for the entire duration of our “friendship” he was unemployed, – myself and a few other people turned a blind eye on everything. But in doing so, we didn’t see what would come next from this. But, some people couldn’t let that go. This is when people started leaving SOLAR FLEET – some because of rumors about $15k, some because of Mactep’s one sided politics and absolute disinterest to do anything in terms of participation in wars or organizing events(fights) for his people (some didn’t leave but stopped playing the game all together).

How could Mactep say no to money? – Some get paid for fighting and propaganda about fun and pew pew, while in this case he didn’t need to do anything. Basically one alliance leader betrayed the other and got money for it. This was that exact reason, why two bears, living in the same place, stopped talking to each other. Completely.

In the end – SOLAR FLEET was switched off from the game and thus began to demonstrate their politics of being neutral (besides that, there is unconfirmed information that the paid amount also included intel sharing with the long defunct Band of Brothers, which nearly resulted in XIX losing a titan in 1V, back when losing one titan mattered..). To top things up, members weren’t allowed to help allies due to being threatened with a kick from the alliance.

This policy is still in action, to this day. Since “we” weren’t paid – we aint participating.

At this point you could forget about SF’s existence, seeing as that alliance stopped being of matter to anyone. Securing themselves from the South and still having formal blue standings with XIX, their situation became very comfortable to setup renters and just get rent. Which they successfully have done for all these years. PVP skill flew out of the window – if during the war against Lotak, 5, Veritas and others, Mactep’s presence boosted moral and won such battles that there are still legends circulating (though back then people who flew battleships were far more skilled), but after those events, as if sensing the smell of money, they began to fail-cascade. The Alliance Tournament appearances showed a lot alone, I don’t have to explain more. Fleet battles were either barely won or with the help from others.

And to keep other corporations quiet – the main corporations got their own pieces of space and even were allowed to have their own renters. Some got supers, some got money. And somehow everyone was happy with this, either because they got enough or because they were afraid to speak up.

And since money have the tendency to end, and since the virginity was lost, new methods arose to fill up the pocket. All the finances were under control of one man, all the decision were made by him and he didn’t have to report to anyone either. First Rassatan’s stolen titan was sold for $4k (the irony of which is that titan he got to fly and was paid for by the buyer). Then there were corp motherships with characters, the schemes for which where ridiculous. The character was sold with a mothership for X price, then that character with mothership was bought back, but for double the price. ISK price was of course separate. But then prices on supers dropped, but there were now people who wanted to rent space with RL money. I wont even bother talking about RMT. When the system works – who wants to give a chance for someone else to rule it?

When with the help of RA and Atlas we took Geminate – this was our 3d try (the first 2 we got raped), everything was FCed by Grom. Mactep showed up once or twice (sober or not I cant remember). After that, when everything finished and they started to divide who gets what stations (again, the leader is somewhere else, but stuff is getting divided anyway), suddenly, in private convo I hear a plan to remove Grom. Like “he takes too much responsibility and talks a lot”. At first I didn’t take notice of that, but soon everything cleared up. Even if someone from directorship takes the role of ceo “temporarily”, but mechanics of the game – “who got the button, he is the boss”. So even disappearing into another binge drinking – the leader’s power ain’t under threat other than some mutiny on the ship and that people will simple jump off it. But thankfully the “main” corporations got used to this and grew roots that they wouldn’t escape. Even now, the man who got Neocortex situation to absurd state, the man who tries to convince everyone that his words are truthful and truth is behind him. Yes he is butt-hurt about me leaving, yes he was ignored and was told off when he tried to dictate his terms on who the other should accept into alliance and who not to. But to start a large scale war because of it, the future results of which are unknown, please. Basically, interests and butthurt of one person, become the most important thing and everyone should go with it.

By that time, Mactep got used to treating people like shit – he has been compared to the British Queen for a while, so no surprise that no one wants to talk to him. Especially to listen to his threats and stomping of his fit about who to accept or not to accept into alliance. To members, players that surrounded him, directors, ceos of the corporations, he could always tell what a cool diplomat he is and how smooth is the line of his politics, but they would never find out the real truth behind it all. Thing is, if some coalition at the right moment knew the real state of Drone Regions, they would have destroyed SOLAR FLEET and XIX. UAxDEATH wouldn’t help MACTEP and vise versa. But since everyone believe in this best friends shit or were just frightened, or didnt want to start something to see this through. One of the more surprising discoveries for me was that MACTEP was the ideological creator of DRF. I remember listening for hours in Teamspeak about Mactep’s meetings with Psihozz, Dodger and even UAxDEATH or even with all 3, about how he was teaching them what to do and planned out everything. The only thing this diplomatic wonder managed to achieve is to get part of Geminate and participate in a couple of fights to show that SOLAR FLEET has supers. And killboard got filled up, but as far as I know it wasn’t due to his actions. And could always give members some propaganda, they will eat it up. SOLAR FLEET joining DRF was like 5th wheel of a cart.

Getting back to me leaving Solar Fleet. I was never ambitious and doubt I ever be – I was still in SF, because there were people who pulled the alliance along side with me. And ofcourse, I considered him (Mactep) my friend. Was always understanding to his problems of unemployment and other, and only because of that I was turning a blind eye and quietly did what I was responsible for. Fact is, I could disband both alliances (SF and SW), but also take all of the savings plus all the stations. I wont even mention banning all the shared accounts and those paid with bad credit card, but I will now. I only took what I considered I had to. Yes a few innocent bystanders got hurt, but couldn’t happen without it. And I did leave in alliance wallet enough, to make sure they could compensate those losses. If I was indeed paid to do this, SOLAR FLEET wouldn’t exist for the past 6 months and Mactep would of died of alcoholism. This is why I dont want to sit still and listen to all the brain washing about me leaving being to all the brain washing about me leaving being the reason for the war, its just laughable.

– BigMaman

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50 Comments

  1. Expert

    evenews! Are you crazy? Sorry, but BigMaman is real traitor and thief.

    December 20, 2011 at 3:44 pm Reply
    1. Wonder

      The Goons give awards for that

      December 20, 2011 at 3:59 pm Reply
    2. Death for xDeath

      >Posted by Krutoj

      December 20, 2011 at 4:05 pm Reply
    3. Rascal

      You should read the disclaimers.

      December 20, 2011 at 4:16 pm Reply
    4. David Star

      Ahem, mister…"Expert" is it?

      I would care to see your credentials, sir! I highly doubt you are a man of quality, my fair man. Certainly you never went to Vassar…

      December 20, 2011 at 5:55 pm Reply
  2. ilikeponies

    they really mad, bro

    December 20, 2011 at 3:47 pm Reply
  3. lemming

    the fuck? what is this shit?

    December 20, 2011 at 3:49 pm Reply
  4. SIdawt

    I have no idea what the fuck this is, but it is still probably the best written article on EN24.

    December 20, 2011 at 3:58 pm Reply
    1. David Star

      Cheap snark…

      And you were the first to get there.

      December 20, 2011 at 5:51 pm Reply
    2. Lykouleon

      It wasn't written by riverini…

      December 20, 2011 at 6:57 pm Reply
      1. The Observer

        i think that's the point.

        December 20, 2011 at 8:35 pm Reply
        1. Thomas

          I have no idea what I just read, but i'm happy for it.

          December 21, 2011 at 5:31 am Reply
    3. another RA pilot

      that's because it was written by BigMaman himself, it's an exact translation of his post on the forum

      December 20, 2011 at 11:52 pm Reply
  5. ex NC

    TL,DR
    so, solar fleet is disbanding ?

    December 20, 2011 at 3:59 pm Reply
  6. Max

    And as alway, brand of eve-ru.com, no any proof. "Eat truth as it is!"

    December 20, 2011 at 4:07 pm Reply
    1. David Star

      No any proof? I can Haz it, please now give 25 million ISKs for "Eat Truth."

      December 20, 2011 at 8:04 pm Reply
  7. Wammalammadingdong

    Russian information war, now on Evenews!!!

    December 20, 2011 at 4:10 pm Reply
  8. African

    I love all this drama, please Sir, can I have some more.

    December 20, 2011 at 4:10 pm Reply
    1. Reds Alli is Best

      Red Alliance is best in EvE. Everyone will join it. It is working like this.
      PL is our dog, good dog. Doing what it is always told.
      Raiden is having ships but not knowing how to use them, like high sec is doing, like a new player.
      Goons is a bunch of daisies always thinking about ice.
      Reds is like the smelling of roses. Everyone know this to be true.

      December 20, 2011 at 7:38 pm Reply
      1. David Star

        You say nothing about -A-…

        Is "A" for apple?

        December 20, 2011 at 8:02 pm Reply
        1. Marcus_McTavish

          A is for Asshat!

          December 20, 2011 at 8:27 pm Reply
          1. The Observer

            -A- is for "Always there," as in we never die when we're supposed to :)

            December 20, 2011 at 8:34 pm
          2. Marcus_McTavish

            Then R must be for Resurrection, because they have come back more

            December 22, 2011 at 2:10 am
      2. Gunny

        Red Alliance best in Eve? Better put down the crack pipe Yuri lol

        December 20, 2011 at 8:59 pm Reply
      3. Lube

        Red alliance is a bunch of bears with "teeth". They protect their roids and generally poorly organized and weak.

        December 21, 2011 at 10:38 pm Reply
  9. John_Sheppard

    WOW! Just wow …

    December 20, 2011 at 4:13 pm Reply
  10. Optimist

    So a turncoat director tries to justify his actions. How unprecedented.

    December 20, 2011 at 4:22 pm Reply
  11. SC.

    Legion of Death have my respekt, we are blue to both LoD and SF but if I have to chose i would side with LoD – they have been coming to Omist to help us – Respekt to them!! so fook solar fleet – never see them anyway

    December 20, 2011 at 4:34 pm Reply
    1. African

      Blue for how long?. When you realise no one is going to help LOD in a few weeks.

      SolarF/W will continue this war of attrition for a very long while imao harvest LOD renters.

      December 21, 2011 at 12:45 am Reply
    2. Krutoj

      We been there where it mattered, for us, our allies and the future of 0.0

      December 21, 2011 at 4:36 am Reply
  12. druid_cilnok

    One of my favourite things about EvE is the drama, and this article is just the greatest example of it. I love it.

    December 20, 2011 at 4:55 pm Reply
  13. MaX =D~

    SF down!

    December 20, 2011 at 5:53 pm Reply
  14. suboran

    thanks krutoj, you stopped me sneezeing :p

    December 20, 2011 at 6:07 pm Reply
  15. Lykouleon

    Fuck SOLAR FLEET

    December 20, 2011 at 6:57 pm Reply
  16. Kieran Tremzark

    i died a little inside reading this shit, then i watched http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe-MHkUwtFk&fe… and i had faith in the internet again

    December 20, 2011 at 7:13 pm Reply
  17. I'm confused, So does this mean Solar Fleet is disbanding or just broke or nearly broke? Where/how did this real life money he keeps talking about come from? Who got it and why? $15,000 U.S dollars?

    December 20, 2011 at 7:57 pm Reply
  18. Solar Fleet LMFAO

    Solar Fleet lol Gotta laugh at the meer mention of them.

    December 20, 2011 at 8:57 pm Reply
  19. SgtSimons

    news flash, Solar Fleet took like 4 stations today and raped XIX, I guess Solar Fleet is the real power in the region.

    December 20, 2011 at 9:09 pm Reply
  20. seph

    some interesting information but not organized right. It goes right into the middle without a good intro.

    But it is a rough translation… maybe edit

    December 20, 2011 at 9:15 pm Reply
  21. Mintrolio

    CONFRIMIGN THESE IS WAY OF RUSIA,

    ALSO WHEN I DO BEIGN IN DRF AND DO LOSIGN MINE TITANS, ALL THESE THIGN DO HAPPEN ALWAYS LONG AS I AM REMENBERIGN.

    ALSO IS ALWAYS EVER DAY MANY DRAMA OF SPYIGN, BUTTHIRTIGNS AND GENERAL MSITRUSTIGN IN DRF.

    ALSO IS VER MAN WORD TO SAYIGN MUCTEP IST RMT LOSER BUTTHIRTIGN IDOT BUT MIT THESE I AM TO AGREEIGN.

    ALSO IS JUST ME OR IST TRENSLATOINS VER HARD TO UNERSTANDIGN?

    KEEP UP THE GOOD POASTIGN!

    December 20, 2011 at 10:19 pm Reply
    1. Anonymouse

      I agree the translations are very hard to understand which is why you should write articles.

      December 21, 2011 at 12:45 am Reply
      1. /b/

        Don't worry montrillo's a candyass.

        December 25, 2011 at 12:38 am Reply
    2. Anonymous

      Can somebody who knows him please show him how to turn caps lock off?

      December 29, 2011 at 11:00 pm Reply
  22. Krutoj

    A lot of what was part of Big's post was known to me for 1.5 years at least. We all turned a blind eye on it, not just Big, mainly because they were our neighbours and you just dont release porn on your neighbours, with whom you been through a lot. I do believe those SF members who found out about the bribes, heard it from within Solar mostly rather than XIX side telling them in attempt to steal off members from SF. After that first incident, it was a Cold War between 2 russian alliances that grew up by helping each other and whos members were mates and roamed together whenever.

    December 20, 2011 at 10:39 pm Reply
  23. Sold

    tl;dr: drf RMTs, bigmaman is mad over it. Seriously, you russians need to get the rl cash out of the game. You're not just ruining it for others, you're ruining it for yourselves. Just a game, bro. Get a grip.

    December 21, 2011 at 12:37 am Reply
  24. kick ass

    We wil kick the ass of all solar fleet….than they wil go to home crying like poor little girl…!!!!!!

    December 21, 2011 at 12:48 am Reply
  25. ProfessionalRussian

    So now that Solar is doing well in the war, the dirty laundry comes out? how meta.

    December 21, 2011 at 3:04 am Reply
  26. Pilot

    Russian drama best drama. Damn.. these guys sure have some e-ego!

    December 21, 2011 at 4:56 am Reply
  27. Russian bride

    TL;DR:

    UaXDeath as first and foremost and most of other russian droneland gangsters are bribing each other and everyone around them with US dollars and squeezing the life out of EVE for years as hard as they can because they are sad unemployed figures whos only life achievement is to sell in game items for money.

    December 21, 2011 at 5:25 pm Reply
  28. -A- Pilot

    The best thing about evenews porn is the resulting porn from the comments section.

    Keep on trollin'

    December 21, 2011 at 8:33 pm Reply

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