Yes, that’s right we are looking for Botting Experts, that’s it people who have extensive experience botting to introduce our readership into this staple of “Eve Online content”.

WTF dude, I thought you hated bots?

We hate them indeed, bots and nazis are on the same page in our book and it is our goal is to make botting so widespread CCP will see itself forced to enforce a zero tolerance policy against bots that’s not simply a shitty “1 week ban” or puny “3 strike rules” since in a couple day a botter can make enough to buy several characters off market. Many of the players who are inclined into buying PLEX or black market isk will be interested into an easy to follow, risk free botting alternative to their current “grind”.

The Banality of Evil

Eve News24 readership extends to 110,000 unique readers per month, that’s close to half Eve Subscription base, it is our goal to fill a quota of about 15,000 new botting characters, apart from our safe estimate of 8,000 actual botters currently active.

In the end we would like to manage to get the current active botting population above 50% of logged in chars, right now we estimate it at 35% when the concurrent amount logged users hits it bare minimum.

Leveling the game for Everyone

Some botters are doing up to 21Bil/month (60mil/h x 12 hrs x 30 days) in front of CCPs complacent eyes, many of them hoard your market hubs, checking sell orders and undercutting your for fractions of an isk, moments after you setup your sell order, while others have completely overtaken the empire courier hubs. We want to bring this “joyous venture” to the rest of the masses.

The root of all Evil

We are pushing an initiative to reform Eve Online as a game, in our view botting is the single, most widespread problem within Eve and it threatens the integrity of the game we all love.

So, we invite you to take part of this project if you are willing to share your knowledge, this will be our Grand Finale for the “Eve News24 End of All Bots” initiative we are deploying.

Fuck it! am interested, where do I sign up?

Write an email describing your expertise to [email protected], as usual we guarantee total anonymity.

R

120 Comments

  1. Skips

    You heard the man.
    Learn to Bot
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m3GHzVq-QQ

    September 15, 2011 at 5:11 pm Reply
  2. Ep0c x

    A friend of mine in real life happily bots mining Ice, he doesn't leave it anywhere near 23/7 but it pays for his 3 accounts.

    I refuse and pay hard earned £, I love the guy, and I see where he's coming from. Everyone is doing it, I'm the mug for NOT botting.

    September 15, 2011 at 5:28 pm Reply
  3. ssix

    This is awesome – now i need to spend what? 30 days training a raven pilot to start crushing 0.0 belts, it will warp to safes and cloak if ppl arrive, hell, while im at work all day i can make hundreds of mils!

    September 15, 2011 at 5:30 pm Reply
    1. Ahem

      No, I just went and bought one Titan pilot, and one SC pilot legally, and set them up in their own accounts. By Christmas I'll have repaid my main for the investment and have these new characters sitting in a Titan and SC respectively, This was a great idea!!!!!!

      September 15, 2011 at 6:09 pm Reply
  4. BOTSareEVEsRUIN

    That´s a really STUPID idea… are you guys drunk?

    September 15, 2011 at 5:32 pm Reply
    1. CnC

      Best realistic idea I've heard to get CCP to expend resources on this… rather than a token 2-man team designed to write some automated scripts that track and ban about 1000 accounts every month or so.

      September 15, 2011 at 5:45 pm Reply
      1. BOTSareEVEsRUIN

        YEP…. sell more drugs…so the police has to do more against it… ???
        that´s a childish point of view

        September 15, 2011 at 7:23 pm Reply
        1. BOTSareEVEsRUIN

          and… give out free weapons for everyone… if eough people were shot they have to ban weapons

          September 15, 2011 at 7:27 pm Reply
          1. CnC

            Or push a system to the breaking point where the authorities have to recognize and do something about it, rather than just give it lip service and the status quo remains unchanged?

            September 15, 2011 at 7:53 pm
          2. Bob

            9/11

            September 16, 2011 at 2:14 am
          3. patriot law – haha good plan boys

            September 16, 2011 at 11:48 am
  5. bagehi

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=eve+online+bot

    Sad to see how many of these pop up.

    September 15, 2011 at 5:35 pm Reply
  6. CnC

    CCP Screegs went as far as to confirm that CCP is only interested in bots operating more than 12 hours per day, as its too hard (or too much work) to do otherwise.

    One might take this to mean that if you only bot 11 hours per day, THUMBS UP from CCP!

    September 15, 2011 at 5:38 pm Reply
  7. Wonder

    I'm not Russian can I still do it?

    September 15, 2011 at 5:39 pm Reply
    1. Penny

      no.

      September 15, 2011 at 6:28 pm Reply
      1. Shattershark

        I am Russian and I don't bot. Ever. I guess I'm qualified anyway.

        September 16, 2011 at 1:10 pm Reply
        1. OMG

          Wow! Riverini proves once again he is being paid off by DRF as a propaganda whore.

          September 16, 2011 at 3:52 pm Reply
          1. Aitillies

            When I was in DFR it was the polar opposite from that, he was and still is anti DRF (but it's ok now :) ).

            And lets be honest you've missed the point of him doing this. ITS TO MAKE CCP ACT. If he were to even get half his membership to run a bot it would put botting over 50% of eves clients being botters at any time, this would flood the market with isk causing prices of everything to sky rocket. A drake for 150-200mil stock off the market…… you follow?

            CCP will have to act on the botters to get the market back into alinement, cause lets be honest they base the success of their game on the player controlled marketplace.

            September 16, 2011 at 5:07 pm
          2. Shattershark

            Accounts of at least half of evenews24 readers vulnerable to keyloggers, trojans and whatever else? Capital idea! It's RMTer's wet dream.

            September 16, 2011 at 6:24 pm
          3. Aitillies

            And this doesn't happen when your fingertips on on the keyboard….. Really… Really…. you almost had me there.
            I would have even be willing to purchase some of your magic condom gloves so my pc is just that much safer while I'm playing eve online.

            Seriously give your head a shake, human or bot controlled makes no difference. Your pc is open to anyone what truly wants into it

            September 18, 2011 at 7:11 am
          4. Shattershark

            Yeah, because we all know that malicious software appears out of thin air and can be completely sure that people who write bots would be happy to share them without any ulterior motive.

            September 18, 2011 at 7:54 am
          5. Imigo

            I don't think you fully understand malicious software and how it gets around.

            September 18, 2011 at 10:04 am
  8. wicked

    Here is a method that should be implemented:

    1) Consider a member is BOTING, you are a red guy jumping in to his system and you notice something
    odd about the guy and system. For instance 1 guy in system, system info shows very large NPC kills
    and well you notice all the clues of a boter.

    2) You press REPORT BOTTER, second you press that BOTTER gets a popup window saying he must
    reply within 2 min or have their account suspended for investigation by CCP.
    The same second u REPORT BOTTER all of their UI gets frozen, all assets everything unless they
    respond. Their ship becomes invulnerable as does your's.

    3) The Respond system: Once you click REPORT BOTTER a PopUp window appears whit a 2min timer
    and a OK button. Once you press OK button a chat window whit a special BOT appears that will give
    you 5 random questions out of 100.000 possible questions that you need to answer say what is 1+1,
    what is a Cow: Animal, Object, Human, Car, Alien. Anyways you would get 5 questions 2 where you
    input the answer, 2 where you select an answer from the list and 1 where you select and input an answer.

    If you answer all 5 questions correctly you get UI unfrozen if you dont you get suspended until CCP
    reviews your case.

    4) TO PREVENT ABUSE: You can report the same person only if you are in the system whit them,
    only once per 24h. If you report a person you need to stay online for the duration of the REPORT
    system that would be 2min + 20s for each question they get. After they have answered these questions
    a automated Dialog box opens between Reporter and Reported person. You give this reported person
    a question if they respond then they can close the dialog box and you are both on your way.

    When u REPORT someone you ship gets FROZEN as does theirs meaning you cant abuse this in
    Fleet Fights.

    ———————

    If the person gets baned you receive 100-200mil ISK reward or say AUR ??? This would encourage
    people to search for bots 24/7, and would discourage people from botting.

    September 15, 2011 at 5:41 pm Reply
    1. CnC

      Bridgekeeper: "Stop. What… is your name?"
      Galahad: "Sir Galahad of Camelot."
      Bridgekeeper: "What… is your quest?"
      Galahad: "I seek the Grail."
      Bridgekeeper: "What… is your favourite colour?"
      Galahad: "Blue. No, yel… " *BANHAMMER*

      September 15, 2011 at 5:48 pm Reply
    2. People should be rewarded in isk for their bot hunting efforts by concord, IMHO.

      September 15, 2011 at 5:48 pm Reply
      1. Poonus

        You mean ccp should revamp the bounty system?

        September 15, 2011 at 10:59 pm Reply
      2. hypathia

        bot hunting bot best bot?

        September 16, 2011 at 8:37 am Reply
    3. my2cents

      but what if i was just afk ? dont get me wrong i like that direction, but basicly you could very well use that to get rid of afk people or know that they are afk, and it could be used to distract enemys in fleet fights

      September 15, 2011 at 5:51 pm Reply
      1. CnC

        Get their scouts kicked while they are fighting on their mains…

        Best way of removing Cloaky AFKers that I've heard of yet!!! 😉

        September 15, 2011 at 7:57 pm Reply
        1. wicked

          If you would read all i wrote you could write a comment that makes sense.. If you read above i explained the AFK problem in detail.

          September 15, 2011 at 9:15 pm Reply
    4. hellion86

      "he must reply within 2 min or have their account suspended for investigation by CCP. "

      And if you do that to some1 who is lets say, AFK in a system…obviously they wont reply in 2 minutes…

      "When u REPORT someone you ship gets FROZEN as does theirs meaning you cant abuse this in
      Fleet Fights."

      100% guaranteed that people would have characters to do exactly that

      September 15, 2011 at 5:52 pm Reply
      1. wicked

        What i wrote would be just the base idea you can expand on your question in 2 diffirent directions.

        For instance, system can easily check your last activity naturally if you warped out soon as red jumped in the would mean you are active and aware so you should be able to respond for that notification.

        Second would be implementation of AFK system. If you are in game you are either active or inactive meaning if you AFK u AFK and nothing should be going on on your account at that time.

        So if you set your status AFK you cannot undock or warp or receive bounty. A person goes AFK by choice by clicking AFK or by being inactive for say 10min.

        So you are really away than you get set to AFK and CCP and system will see this or if you set your status to AFK system will also know this. But if you are ratting and u warp out the second a red jumps in it means you are active and will be able to respond to that notification.

        You may ask well what if i warp out and land and same second press AFK. Well there is a simple session involved when you press AFK status it will actually take you 2min to become AFK.

        September 15, 2011 at 6:18 pm Reply
        1. CnC

          I have a 7 month old baby in RL. If he starts crying, or if my wife yells for my help, I'm not going to fumble through menu's and dick around with an AFK button. I'm going to get up from my computer and go see what's going on…. the safety and status of my ship and clone be damned.

          Coming back to find my account banned because some dick hit the challenge button would arguably make this the worst system ever implemented in an MMORPG to date.

          September 16, 2011 at 5:27 am Reply
          1. Opapanax

            You mean after you've warped to Pos..

            September 16, 2011 at 8:18 am
      2. wicked

        Regarding the Fleed abuse part. You see i mentioned your ship gets frozen and invournable mening using alts to this purpose would be useless. In addition here is another trick that can be implemented to prevent such things. Such as trial alts cannot REPORT and severe punishment for paying alts who abuse this system.

        Since we are talking about a program this could have tons of simple protocols and rules to get around such problems.

        September 15, 2011 at 6:26 pm Reply
        1. CnC

          So an unpaid trial account can spam out my opponents FC's during the Fleet fight?

          Or do I have to buy a PLEX to take out a hostile fleet… 400mil for taking down some Titan's because their FC was answering what color is the 2nd planet in this solar system bullshit…

          SWEET!

          September 15, 2011 at 7:55 pm Reply
          1. wicked

            If he is answering the questions he is untargetable there fore you cannot kill him based on that. This would be the step in the right direction. This thing can be proofed to a point
            where you wont be able to abuse it in fleet fights.

            September 15, 2011 at 9:14 pm
          2. Dethmourne

            I can't kill him, and he can't kill me, but my 200 buddies can kill his support fleet while he can't call targets.

            Retarded.

            September 15, 2011 at 9:46 pm
          3. CnC

            ^- This.

            I don't give a damn about the FC besides him not giving orders while I kill the rest of his fleet *evil grin*

            It would be even cooler to watch the FC get banned because he answered the questions wrong in a fit of panic, or let them expire trying to ride the invulnerability wave!

            September 15, 2011 at 9:49 pm
          4. dumb idea

            Then you can abuse it the other way, if you're about to lose a titan you report him to stay alive

            September 15, 2011 at 9:50 pm
        2. Wiu Ming

          wicked, just stop now and simply accept what people are trying to tell you:

          ANY. THING. that Player A can do to affect Player B's live gameplay will never ever ever ever work. Period. The one and only reason is because it can and will be exploited, by *both* parties involved.

          September 15, 2011 at 11:11 pm Reply
    5. gemi

      this is the dumbest idea ever on so many levels, it can also be abused in a 1000 diffrent ways.

      September 15, 2011 at 10:18 pm Reply
    6. Goober McGillicutty

      Someone grab this man a Darwin Award! Quick!

      September 16, 2011 at 12:02 pm Reply
    7. Dyanmo

      how idiotic is that, let's say in a pvp situation you decide to report a guy who's running from a gang, this means he's frozen and unable to move, at the same time your buddies pinpoint his location and warp to him while he's answering ur questions etc etc.

      would be way more effective than a warp disruptor for stopping people to run

      September 18, 2011 at 8:02 pm Reply
    8. Urgay

      your a fucking moron. The sheer amount of work required to even implement such a load of shit is counter productive. CCP dont need you to identify bots. They have all the information they need, and your idea is gay. It scares me just how much thought you have put into all that crap.

      September 27, 2011 at 3:37 am Reply
  9. CnC

    Wow, that was easy. Simply Google the following….

    "EVE Online Bot"

    "EVE Online Macro Ratting"

    "EVE Online Macro Mining"

    I found multiple applications within 5 minutes that claim to work inside Incarna, claim to use only the visual real estate of your screen and avoids any type of interaction with the client or the API. Configurable login/logoff times were discussed. Configurable activities were discussed. Never botted even a minute of my EVE experience, but I support this initiative to rid EVE of bots!

    Good luck everyone, and remember… use your wife's name and credit card (or your mom's) when you are creating your bot accounts!

    September 15, 2011 at 5:43 pm Reply
    1. Durk

      "I found multiple applications within 5 minutes that claim to work inside Incarna, claim to use only the visual real estate of your screen and avoids any type of interaction with the client or the API. "

      If that is true, then there is no hope for EVE, it will become bots Online within a year or 2.

      September 15, 2011 at 6:43 pm Reply
      1. Samej_Arkanus

        It already is BOT Online. Just look at how much space DRF controls.

        September 15, 2011 at 7:06 pm Reply
  10. Apex

    This post is almost as gimmicky as hull tanking. Riverini should stop using EN24 to push his personal agenda and retarded ideas.

    September 15, 2011 at 5:44 pm Reply
    1. ::superhugecripes::

      Push his personal adgeda…as in against bots?

      Fucking A m8, you are doing a terrible job a damage control

      September 15, 2011 at 11:32 pm Reply
  11. StimpyCat

    Sounds like you're encouraging folks to break the EULA. I hate botters as much as the next capsuleer, but what you're talking about is the equivalent of telling everyone to download the new movie Apollo 18 from p2p or torrent to make the world more aware of piracy. Its still illegal, and inciting to make others break the law is also illegal. It may not be breaking the law of the land, but you shouldn't be asking people to break the rules of the game they love.

    What you ought to do, as a alternative, is provide a definitive guide on how we can stalk, trap and kill botters. If you make it less profitable for botters to do thier work, then they will go elsewhere. Would someone be kind enough to setup Botamageddon so we can hunt and disrupt those botters.

    September 15, 2011 at 5:45 pm Reply
    1. CnC

      Funny how the little guy often has to break a few eggs to get problems fixed sometimes.

      Change rarely comes by playing by the rules, regardless of what your 2nd grade teacher taught you.

      September 15, 2011 at 5:54 pm Reply
      1. Frud

        Not our job, it's CCPs.

        September 15, 2011 at 6:26 pm Reply
        1. CnC

          Has that argument EVER been correct in Real Life?

          Fuck that… change only occurs when people who recognize the need for change, step up and do something about it.

          September 15, 2011 at 7:49 pm Reply
    2. argle_bargle

      I like the p2p analogy. Remember what the RIAA and MPAA did when filesharing happened? It would be fucking awesome if CCP took that route with bots.

      September 15, 2011 at 6:29 pm Reply
    3. dfx

      EVE's EULA works only within eve, evenews24 is outside of its jurisdiction

      September 15, 2011 at 6:30 pm Reply
    4. swag

      EULAs have no basis in legal reality, they are terms of service and do not relate to any laws in any jurisdiction. ALL a company can do to enforce the EULA is ban your account. Advising someone to break the EULA is not criminal and is in fact protected speech (under the first amendment) in the US of A.
      Better head back to civics 101 buddy

      September 15, 2011 at 6:40 pm Reply
      1. Civics?

        Actually…you are wrong. A EULA is a legally binding contract. You can be sued in civil court for breaking the EULA and by advising others to do so. The cause of action has a name, its "Intentional Interference with a Contractual Business Relationship"

        Pro-tip. Stfu and go back civics…or whatever you were saying.

        September 15, 2011 at 10:34 pm Reply
    5. coon

      I would never do that! Apollo 18 was shit.

      September 15, 2011 at 6:55 pm Reply
  12. Midnight Troll

    I don't think its that people don't know how to bot. Its not that hard to google eve bot buy a program install it and there ya go. Some people don't bot cause they good people and enjoy playing the game and not a low life piece of shit. Other people don't bot because they don't have money to buy the botting software. If you want to get more people to bot then offer free botting software and you will get your above 50% botting in no time.

    September 15, 2011 at 5:46 pm Reply
    1. Ahem

      I agree with you, but in this case my main is a "good people" and I'll be having alts as "low life piece of shit"

      September 15, 2011 at 5:52 pm Reply
  13. LOLRIVERINI

    Hey guys Riverini wants you to make new EVE accounts and get them banned by CCP! This is a well thought out plan.

    September 15, 2011 at 5:47 pm Reply
  14. NewGuy

    Aight so can we release a list of good botting programs?! I am to lazy to look for them myself

    September 15, 2011 at 5:48 pm Reply
    1. bagehi

      I know a few miners used to swear by tinyminer when I was in the NC. However, there was a bot purge and coalition failcascade since…

      September 15, 2011 at 6:12 pm Reply
      1. NewGuy

        I used to use TM. however with those bot purge movement tm was found to be able to be tracked. I was looking for the anom ones that apparently CCP cant figure out wtf to do with and make more isk then TM ones did.

        September 15, 2011 at 6:14 pm Reply
        1. See my reply below.

          September 15, 2011 at 6:27 pm Reply
          1. NewGuy

            Shame it got deleted =(

            CCP CONSPIRACY BEGIN!!!!

            September 15, 2011 at 8:28 pm
  15. Ex-NC Grunt

    Dude, do you just want ME to edit these?
    Like, you're not even trying anymore.

    September 15, 2011 at 6:26 pm Reply
    1. Ex-NC Grunt

      Here. I'll just do it.
      —- …undercutting your for factions of an isk moments after you setup your sell order, while other have completely overtaken the empire courier hubs, we want to bring this “joyous ventures” to the rest of the masses. —-

      …undercutting YOU for FRACTIONS of an isk,<comma> moments after you setup your sell order, while OTHERS have completely overtaken the empire courier hubs.<PERIOD> <Capitalized> We want to bring this “joyous VENTURE” to the rest of the masses.

      September 15, 2011 at 6:28 pm Reply
  16. bittervet

    botting kills every game as it kills the reason to compete within the game.
    no competition – no game

    Good luck! and respect to everyone willing to spend their time for the enjoyment of others.

    September 15, 2011 at 6:35 pm Reply
    1. FU!

      lucky for the rest of us we shoot at eachother

      September 15, 2011 at 11:50 pm Reply
  17. Penny

    I'm pretty sure someone over at CCP is reading this right now saying 'oh fuck.. hilmar you need to take a loot at this'. Hopefully (as is intended) this will make them step up and divert whatever resources they need to deal with the bots, they are ruining our game and since CCP's efforts have been subpar we as a community need to step up and take matters into our own hands.

    September 15, 2011 at 6:37 pm Reply
    1. ixion well

      Lol riverini is about to get smacked with the ban hammer… that is my best bet as to ccp's response

      September 15, 2011 at 6:49 pm Reply
    2. X_T_R

      Meanwhile, at CCP:

      "Hey Hilmar! You need to take a look at this! This 'Penny' guy thinks we're gonna do something about botting!"
      Hilmar: LOL, good one.

      September 15, 2011 at 7:06 pm Reply
      1. Penny

        lol good point =P

        September 15, 2011 at 9:55 pm Reply
      2. some_dood

        more like
        Hilmar: *salivates* let them bot son let them bot, that means more plexes and more plexes=more money.

        September 16, 2011 at 5:43 am Reply
  18. Botting is STEALING

    Careful, you're going to piss off all the current botters by evening the playing field. They demand that they be rewarded and get an advantage for their cheating. Think of all the children who will go hungry if no one has to buy isk anymore?

    September 15, 2011 at 6:40 pm Reply
  19. Yes

    Excellent idea.
    One of two will happen:
    1) CCP will enrage at some point and start out dishing out mass life-time IP bans (thats whats being attempted to achieve). This will get loads of evenews readers to get banned. It will be epic luls.
    OR
    2) CCP will continue their current stance and riverini singlehandedly increase botting by say 100% and thats it. Epic luls will be had in this case as well.

    Pretty much birilliant.

    September 15, 2011 at 6:57 pm Reply
  20. BotHunter

    Riverni, if you want to get rid of 50% of the bots in your alliance, kick the Russian Spetnaz. It is that easy. Unless of course they all belong to you.

    September 15, 2011 at 7:00 pm Reply
  21. Zak Z

    Yeah, okay… but don't they ban accounts that are associated with a botted/banned account?
    So we're looking at (if/when CCP does catch botters) a shitload of your willing participants losing their main accounts in a somewhat ass-backwards effort to stop botting?

    Everyone will need to bot with even more new accounts just to try and reclaim the former glory of their lost mains…

    tbh, spreading an EFFECTIVE method to try and catch/'splode botters in space sounds like it makes more sense dude. (rather than posting stories of people doing it, without trying to explain their methodology….)

    September 15, 2011 at 7:26 pm Reply
  22. Lazi Buum

    May I just point out that no game that suffers from bots has *ever* managed to remove them entirely!
    Not one game ever!! including WoW, Everquest, LoTRo.
    Honestly the only decent thing to do is give everyone bots, that might not be a popular idea but if we all had bots at least we would all be equal, then there would be no advantage from boting, therefore problem solved.
    And *yes* I am serious I honestly I think it's the only way to solve the problem.
    NEXT MOVE:
    CCP aquires MacroLab??

    September 15, 2011 at 7:31 pm Reply
    1. thisguy

      +2 yeh this is about right, but CCP are smart enough to realise this?

      No!

      September 15, 2011 at 9:45 pm Reply
  23. Fire Under CCP's ASS

    Someone needs to post a completely FREE, simple mining bot. We don't need some super awesome bot that has all the bells and whistles and costs 30$. Just a simple hi-sec mining bot that can use drones. Only run the bot for 10 or less hours a day and we can force CCP to take action serious action.

    So if anyone has such a bot or can create such a bot, please step forward.

    September 15, 2011 at 7:31 pm Reply
    1. bottingbotting
      September 17, 2011 at 6:04 pm Reply
  24. Javabyte

    May I just point out that no game that suffers from bots has *ever* managed to remove them entirely!
    Not one game ever!! including WoW, Everquest, LoTRo.
    Honestly the only decent thing to do is give everyone bots, that might not be a popular idea but if we all had bots at least we would all be equal, then there would be no advantage from boting, therefore problem solved.
    And *yes* I am serious I honestly I think it's the only way to solve the problem.
    NEXT MOVE:
    CCP aquires MacroLab??

    September 15, 2011 at 7:38 pm Reply
    1. Imigo

      That's quite some leap in logic there – nobody has ever successfully stopped this bad thing, so let's make it the norm, there's no other option.

      September 15, 2011 at 10:35 pm Reply
      1. just take all the isk value away, make everything 1isk like Sisi – thats the same as everyone having unlimited money. Sure it puts a few people out of business but think of all the great PVP we can have until the ships/modules run out.

        September 16, 2011 at 10:26 am Reply
        1. Chef

          …which would be about 2 hours if everything cost 1 isk…

          September 16, 2011 at 11:22 am Reply
          1. Then CCP would have to just seed all the stations, with an infinate supply of stuff.

            September 16, 2011 at 11:38 am
          2. Javabyte

            you seem to be assuming that bots make an infinite amount of money, they do not!, they make a finite amount of additional income in a finite (lets say 23.5 hour) period, the market would simply adjust, with the extra income from bots mostly absorbed by market re-pricing

            September 16, 2011 at 5:03 pm
        2. Darkeye

          You know, this would mean I am out of this game.
          I am, in large parts, an industrial and I have fun doing this.
          And there a lot of others who like this part of the game and not "a few".

          September 16, 2011 at 3:01 pm Reply
    2. Dyanmo

      swords of the new world did that, there were so many bots always picking up stuff they decided to implement pets to pick up loot… so bots were not needed anymore .

      September 18, 2011 at 8:03 pm Reply
  25. Blazde

    http://www.publicdemands.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?7

    This is a pretty advanced hands-on site if you're interested how bad this has gotten and how to evade detection etc…

    Fully supporting a full disclosure movement, it might just make CCP take this seriously

    September 15, 2011 at 7:46 pm Reply
  26. Cerneus

    More targets?! Looks promising.

    September 15, 2011 at 8:52 pm Reply
  27. droljica

    FGS man just join the rest of ccp retards if u wanna make "news"

    September 15, 2011 at 9:10 pm Reply
  28. LOL

    google EVE botting software, click puchase, follow the detailed instructions to set up.

    Afterwards:
    Log on
    Press Butan
    Get Bacon

    Lazy bastards, you need botting instructions for your bot.

    September 15, 2011 at 9:51 pm Reply
  29. Imigo

    While we as players certainly need to do something to curb botting, I struggle to see how making more bots will help the issue. When taking a course of action it pays to consider possible side effects.

    One potential outcome could be that botting would be seen as the norm so everybody will do it.

    More people botting will mean more damage is done to the in game economy, making it more disruptive to remove those bots as they become more influential in the game's persistent world.

    The way I see it the best solution is for CCP to continue fighting bots on the technical front but also adding a publicity campaign to show people that botting is not ok and that they are taking action.

    I know public relations isn't CCP's strength, but this could simply take the form of adding a monthly report to show how many accounts they have warned/banned.

    Sorry Riv, I can't support the method of your campaign. I haven't ever cheated, and I'm not going to change that.

    September 15, 2011 at 10:55 pm Reply
    1. The thing is, CCP does not condone botting but does pay a blind eye to the use of certain tools which leave you "one step" short of simply botting, and this all falls into a grey area which CCP haz acknowledged to not be ilegal, be assured I won't bot, that's for sure, but exposing these "grey areas" will serve of a great encouragement to close these loopholes.

      This is what i call "casual botting", where only a 20% of your game time is spent "botting" might not sound like hell, but the accrued effect of widespread use is nefarious.

      Convo me in gmail chat once u get online and u will see what am talking about

      :)

      September 16, 2011 at 2:14 pm Reply
      1. Omar Ravenhurst

        You won't bot, you'll just encourage others to bot for your cause?

        Getting CCP to close these loopholes by spotlighting them is one thing, but what you're suggesting sounds a bit like highlighting the risk of forest fire by burning down the forest. Or by getting a whole bunch of other people to set light to it while you stand back and cheer them on.

        September 17, 2011 at 5:41 pm Reply
  30. Heyyyyoooooo

    DDoS attack on evenews34.com in 3…2…1…

    September 15, 2011 at 11:00 pm Reply
  31. M_D_

    Sounds like a great plan! Maybe we should also all start breaking into other people's houses. Because nobody likes to actually work for their money and there are like thousands of burglars! So if we all go steal shit from other people maybe the police will actually start doing something about it!

    .o/.

    September 16, 2011 at 12:14 am Reply
  32. David Blain

    EVEBOT is the only way to bot.
    It works through ISX-EVE and innerspace. Runs directly throught the video memory, leaving your mouse and screen for playing battlefielf or looking at porn. Can mine, rat, or do courier missions.
    Simple searches on google will get you the wikis and the forum.
    Although not being free, the cost of 15USD/month for the bot, which is one account in eve, easily paid for several accounts in isk, and left overs for hassle and worry free PVP in stupid and expencive fit ships.

    September 16, 2011 at 12:42 am Reply
    1. hypathia

      a. "Runs directly throught the video memory" is bullshit. Don't talk about stuff you don't understand.b. b. For combat missions Questor is imo preferable (and doesn't require a ISXEVE subscription).

      September 16, 2011 at 8:36 am Reply
      1. bottingbotting

        But still requires InnerSpace sub, no?

        September 17, 2011 at 5:58 pm Reply
  33. guest

    As much as I hate bots I'm not sure I can agree with this methodology…. How accuracte is your estimation of the number of bots logged in at any moment? If it is indeed 35% of all logged in players that means we are pretty far gone already.

    But what if you're wrong? Encouraging others to bot in order to force CCP's hand would defeinitely be stepping in the wrong direction by undoing the work that CCP has already been doing to stomp out the bots…

    Also, as has been pointed out before, no game has ever completely gotten rid of bots. What do you propose CCP do?

    September 16, 2011 at 12:57 am Reply
  34. lol

    this isn't going to work but it is worth a try.

    September 16, 2011 at 4:48 am Reply
  35. DeeDee

    I currently am running 4 miners for personall isk and subscription. To sit and read all the misconceptions of how they operate and can be detected is hilarious.

    I also have had the experience of coding my own small courier mission bot. The reason botting is so widespread within Eve is simply that the GUI is just so amazingly easy to read and manipulate.

    September 16, 2011 at 8:13 am Reply
  36. Just an Idea

    Riverni,… isn;t there some rule somewhere that tells you that you can be banned for calling upon people to use an exploit/cheat/do anything against the rules/insert whatever/something…

    carefull what you wish for you might get it,.. and with isk being pumped into the game like that the value of goods will rise creating a need for non-botters to bot in order to keep buying new ships.. and if that happens, no matter what ccp will do, the player based market will go BOOM… game over. 😉

    Yes i'm a bit silly today, but you all get the point anyway as there are only intelectual players in eve.

    September 16, 2011 at 9:13 am Reply
  37. Maybe this is the true power of Incarna, once you could run several clients (and thus bots) on one low end machine, now you need a high power machine just to run 2 clients at the same time. This has probably hurt more bots than unholy rage!

    Incarna – "The Anti bot patch"

    September 16, 2011 at 10:24 am Reply
  38. Then CCP could just seed all the stations :)

    September 16, 2011 at 11:37 am Reply
  39. Grubby Muncher

    I think CCP's response may be somewhere along the line of the best local trolling response I've ever seen, pasted below.

    8======D(___o___)
    I'm on the left, your fat cunted mother's on the right.
    Her vagina smells like week old fish gravy.
    Suck my balls, Kid.

    September 16, 2011 at 11:58 am Reply
  40. Darkeye

    Riverini

    SRY, but I think this is one of the most stupid ideas I ever heard of and SRY but in my opinion you should get a ban for this article.

    September 16, 2011 at 3:04 pm Reply
  41. abc123

    What really funny is this when CCP starts to see a rise in bots they will start to BAN by IP and then those who helped with bringing attention to this will have all there main account banned too. Then all the real botting hacks who know how to IP spoof will just keep on botting and you have effectively trick honest people to get banned. Then CCP will have a lower account base, which in turn will make them relax the ban hammer and botting goes back to normal.

    Dishonest people will always find ways to cheat. Asking honest people to do dishonest things only help the BOTTERS test more software and make them more money in real life. So no thank you RIVERINI!! Nice way in using your web site to help your Real Life Friends in DFR and help the botting software makers gain a spike in sales with this BULLSHIT PROPOGANDA CAUSE AGAINST BOTTING.

    September 16, 2011 at 5:28 pm Reply
  42. Riverini, once you get some submissions from some botting experts, can you have them properly translated from Russian to English so we can all understand them?

    September 16, 2011 at 6:59 pm Reply
    1. Devils advicate

      no need just ask some of the goons

      September 18, 2011 at 1:34 pm Reply
  43. jum jum

    is there a dob in a bot channel in game for players to share intel?

    September 17, 2011 at 6:15 am Reply
  44. Hemmo Paskiainen

    who needs a bot to make 20b a month,… lol

    September 17, 2011 at 2:54 pm Reply
  45. Newbie Botter

    http://pastie.org/2552378

    you need to use http://sikuli.org/
    it is a scripting language that uses screen captures to click the mouse in the correctpart of the screen.

    this is a bot i wrote while using trial accounts. using 3x 30 day trials i was able to train up to an osprey mining cruiser(x3) and earn 100 mil isk in my first week mining 23×7. i then copped a 14 day IP ban.

    i was able to log into the trial accounts after the ban and get the ISK just before the trials expired. I later used the capital to station trade and made enough ISK to PLEX my first sub.

    September 18, 2011 at 2:01 pm Reply
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    September 23, 2011 at 9:56 pm
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