As the Drone Russian Federation and company prepared to take GE-8KV this past Tuesday, enemy alliance emails were circulating calling for a final defence attempt. After the fall of HED, an invigorated DRF felt confident enough to make a dash for the system control. Considering their capacity to pull large numbers of pilots, and having far more active super-capital pilots than the -A-TEAM during this campaign, they were confident in their abilities.

In the end, the fall of GE- went down without a bang as the only significant opposing force showing up was a small bomber gang, which was taken out without a hitch. Here is a submitted battle report from the DRF point of view (once again proving that the losing side is never willing to document their short comings).

Battle Report: Neither Nuts nor Glory – The Fall of GE-8JV

We in DRF are set to form up at 00:00 Eve time. An hour before the station comes out of RF. Fleets are sorted with NC(dot) forming up separate to the rest of WN/RED/Legion. Each respectively fielding approximately 100 and 150. Enemy Alliance mails are passed around fleet we all have a laugh at them -A- and co forcing allies to stage from Stain and demands from alliance leaders to bring kitchen sink style fleet.

I’d say though we were largely Apprehensive. There is every potential that -A- can turn the fight in their favour due to having a much larger US TZ Presence. We start forming on Titan’s ready for the bridge into GE- NC dot leads in first and WN’s bomber fleet reports that -A- have a large bomber fleet in system. DRF Fleet bridges in and begins setting up on station. A Handful of enemy bombers and frigs die either being alpha’d at range or due to warping into bubbles.

FC has ordered Super carriers to remain logged off as he doesn’t wish to lose the entire Fighter bomber’s to Bombs and remain out of system for this stage. The station comes out of RF still anticipating a fleet to bridge onto us we begin to engage station. 10 min or so pass and it becomes clear that neither the bombers are confident enough or the enemy willing to fight.

FC Call’s for only titan’s to jump in and begin engaging the Station. Still no sign of the enemy, another 5 min pass and the FC then states that anyone willing to risk there vulnerable fighter bombers can jump there Super Carriers in. At this point there are now around 12 Titan’s and 12 SC’s shooting the station. Still No sign of the enemy.

The station flips, Fleet goes off to kill the TCU without hindrance until it dies and then a small number of bombers attempt to kill off some drones unsuccessfully. We then go to kill the last of -A- towers in system. Bait is setup to lure in the rest of their bombers and it works perfectly. Bombers warp in and launch bomb’s to find themselves deep in a bubble from a cloaky Dictor. Our Support kill’s a large number of them off suffering only one casualty the brave cloaky dictor to around 30 bomber losses.

TCU is dropped fleet goes home. All I have to say is Try harder Next time -A-.

GE- is in RF again but this time for DRF Prime. Personally I’m forecasting Blue balls with the chance of -A- Fail. Prove me wrong Eh??

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100 Comments

  1. SgtSimons

    I dont know why the DRF is surprised that -A- did not fight. There would be no point in fighting. Lets say they fought. Enemy would bring in all their supercaps and then their fleet would die for no reason. Lets say -A- won (i dont know how that possibly happen against a titan blob but lets think about what if) if -A- won it would not matter since that system is doomed anyway. if they won then the DRF would just bring more supers next time. Why waste assets on a lost cause when you can wait for the supernerf when these assets will actually matter.

    August 26, 2011 at 4:14 pm Reply
    1. bugaga

      In my opinion the talk about supernerf is 'for poors'. It is not argument. WN and co are stronger now. They won. Congratulations.
      Bad thing is they do not respect their enemy (even defeated)… boasting… ok, let's see who will be laughing in the end.

      August 26, 2011 at 5:39 pm Reply
      1. drf member

        i respect aaa as do alot of other members of the drf but we are not going to go easy on them.

        -a- leader made the same mistakes the nc did
        1 – they over estamated how much force the drf can put out
        2 – they lacked in forward planning every alliance in the nc and in the a-team has had this trouble.

        i'm sure -a- has pilots that would love to e in a titan even have skills for it ut the leaders are putting the isk into there corps and there own pocket.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-R5j2IuB6U video from a year ago of wn killing another titan did -a- not think hey lets make sure we can combat this some time down the line?

        August 26, 2011 at 6:35 pm Reply
        1. wtf

          forward planning?? 700b for paying PL against NC?? How much did DRF paid to directors for offlining TCUs, changing timers for stations, resetting POS pass etc and for disbanding alliance (toyota car).

          But the big question here is Where and how did they found such ammounts of isk????

          August 26, 2011 at 8:01 pm Reply
          1. lawl

            RMTing

            August 26, 2011 at 11:31 pm
          2. omgigothitbyacar

            dfr holds over 500 systems, lets say the rent out half , = 250 x 3b avarave = 750b a month in come from past few yrs. Add the 3 yrs of super production and the minimum of 20 super jobs a month + moon go and u come on 1,5 tril is a month income. Thats 15000 real life low job hours of work income the dfr leader gets a month.

            August 27, 2011 at 12:15 pm
        2. Wonder

          If ya woulda done it straight up then you would have the respect that you have lost. Instead you paid for drop in Sov to start it all, paid for PL after losing all but one system taken in the the SOV drop. Brought in NCdot/Evoke/Raiden ( not in that order) cause you still flailed. The one thing you never were never weak in was your ability to Pay for Victory.

          August 26, 2011 at 9:23 pm Reply
        3. stoicspoon

          I would love to see evidence of AAA leaders putting isk into their pockets. This is the kind of generic propaganda everyone thinks about their enemy, usually grunts take it at face value.

          The two main FCs running the war for AAA are broke as shit. Pk and Maka are always running ops and losing their ships. Reimbursement is HULL only from alliance, so you lose money each time.

          AAA's money DOES help pilots get into supers. It paid for a large portion of it for highly active members who get chosen by each corp. At least it did when super production was still going, which is obviously over now.

          The DRF has WAY more income though. They now have tech moons on top of a HUGE renter base. Not to mention that drone regions = tons of minerals for super production thanks to drone alloys.

          The real reason AAA will never beat the DRF until supers are nerfed is that everyone not blue to the DRF *SMARTLY* stopped cooking anything in their CSAA when DRF finished killing the NC. If they didn't do that we'd have 10 abortions already (like AAA did to White Noise).

          The DRF is a collection of the alliances with the most titans super carriers. AAA spent a month losing over-and-over against DRF super-caps with only sub-caps and they are still showing up occasionally, but the truth is everyone knows we will have to wait for the DRF to break up internally before we can realistically win a super-cap fights.

          Diplomacy wins battles before they even happen. Smart leaders know this. The DRF is successful right now because they have the best group of alliances, not because they are doing anything special at a tactical level when they actually fight.

          The diplomatic advantage and super-production advantage equates to BLOB OF SUPERS, no way around that. Even if Goons are cooking 20 supers a month, there is no way their coalition is going to win the arms race with DRF, and AAA + friends have had their production shut down.

          This is check-mate unless CCP re-balances supers.

          Stop comparing the fucking NC to AAA and their friends. Seriously, it's not even remotely fucking comparable. The NC was incredibly powerful. During Max 2.0 the NC was able to beat IT NCdot Init AAA Atlas ROL pets for months. They jumped in huge super numbers and actually out-numbered the enemy over and over.

          AAA has nowhere near the numbers of the 55000 NC coalition that existed in 2010. AAA has 5 allies that matter, and none of them are powerhouses. Nulli has been loyal and dedicated, ROL has been dedicated, Imperial Order has been dedicated, but these groups are not that powerful. Atlas and Cascade are technically involved but their members refuse to show up for CTAs because they consider it boring and don't really like AAA very much.

          August 26, 2011 at 10:41 pm Reply
          1. drf member

            Reimbursement is HULL only from alliance, so you lose money each time.
            ours only covers hull and with the insureance money you make isk even after fittings.

            everyone not blue to the DRF *SMARTLY* stopped cooking anything in their CSAA

            Tell that to rol

            renters
            -a- where charging some of there renters 9b a month minimum i came across was 1.5b for a -0.1 system.

            AAA's money DOES help pilots get into supers. It paid for a large portion of it for highly active members who get chosen by each corp
            http://www.a-kills.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id

            15 titans and 15 sc at the start of 2010 i know they lost there space for a bit but still you think they would have got more titans in the mean time.
            http://kb.wn-alliance.ru/?a=battle&id=b846,ht

            16 titans and 12 sc our side

            August 27, 2011 at 2:33 pm
    2. Seraph IX Basarab

      If they want any hope in beating DRF. -A- is going to need to sweeten the pot for their disgruntled allies and actually make a line in the sand and say "no more." If not it really does feel like -A- will failcascade.

      August 26, 2011 at 6:13 pm Reply
      1. anatlasgoon

        Did you not read the comment you just commented on? Everybody has been speaking up about how you cannot even hope to oppose a DRF supercap fleet. -A- is not going to lose their supercaps in such a fight, nor are they going to failcascade, nor are their allies disgruntled. You clearly know less about this conflict than you think. GTFO.

        August 26, 2011 at 6:23 pm Reply
        1. G'kar

          You cannot gauge an opponent's strength by how large his Supercap fleet is.

          August 26, 2011 at 9:16 pm Reply
          1. anatlasgoon

            Clearly you have never faced twenty-five Titans.

            August 26, 2011 at 10:02 pm
          2. omgigothitbyacar

            that can 2 volley a battleship under a minut….

            doesnt matter how much the battleship blob is the efhp is just too high,

            best i have seen is that a erebus titan kills 4 moving battleship in a minut, without dd. so lets say 5 a minut with no lag. Theoraticaly, u can not counder these 25 tits with anything.

            August 27, 2011 at 12:20 pm
          3. G'kar

            " Умный в гору не пойдёт, умный гору обойдёт ".

            August 27, 2011 at 2:14 pm
        2. Seraph IX Basarab

          So what if everyone has been "speaking up"?

          If AAA loses all its Sov what will it do go rat in low sec?

          Their allies aren't disgruntled? Then why did Stainwagon reset them?

          August 26, 2011 at 10:40 pm Reply
          1. Timmahhh

            Why did stainwagon reset -A-?
            Someone isn't up to date, clearly.
            It's called "Paying Off" to reset -A-.
            600B each in fact.
            That's why.

            August 27, 2011 at 12:23 am
          2. anatlasgoon

            1. Do you need to link you a fat list of articles and blogs that all conclude "yep, DRF's supercap fleet is unstoppable"? Your opinion that it is stoppable isn't backed up by any tangible solution whatsoever. How would you fight a titan blob?

            2. Again, if you read the news, AAA is deploying in NPC Stain, which means they don't need to hold sov to rat, set up POSes, and call CTAs into Catch.

            3. http://www.evenews24.com/2011/08/01/a-gets-resett
            This happened before DRF invaded. AAA's allies through this war with DRF are not disgruntled.

            August 27, 2011 at 12:31 am
    3. G'kar

      Yes, lets say they fought, then they would have proved, that they weren't DRF pets. ( People do see to forget, there are more then half pilots with Russian background in -A- alliance)

      But they didn't, instead they suggested to other Alliance to evac to NPC space. Alliances that are so far away that it would have taken months, if at all possible, to reach them, if people just did the fighting.

      Resistance is futile, you say? I say it's a lot of bull.

      Go run to your NPC space with tail between your legs, the Russians will just laugh at you with the rest of EvE.

      August 26, 2011 at 7:01 pm Reply
      1. iskbot#1337

        there is no rest of EVE … just laughing Russians

        August 27, 2011 at 1:17 am Reply
      2. Jarlexly

        İt is funny to talk like this when you are behind a 150 SC + 100 Titan , where have you been when RED Alliance is stucked under the belly of NPC space before 2008, were you talking like this at those times?

        August 27, 2011 at 9:46 am Reply
    4. hellion86

      "i dont know how that possibly happen against a titan blob but lets think about what if" "Why waste assets on a lost cause when you can wait for the supernerf when these assets will actually matter. "

      the titan blobs will still be there when the SC's get nerfed, so maybe DRF guys will just build and use more titans…do you want them to nerf titans again then? develop better counters, or maybe hit DRF home regions, they sit there untouched to build bigger SC blobs

      August 26, 2011 at 7:51 pm Reply
    5. Marcus_McTavish

      Thats like saying, nope im not even going to try and get a job, just going to wait here and cash in my welfare check that i hope will come.

      Goons know thier welpfleets will die, hell they make sure they do, but they get somthing done in the process instead of complaining and whining about losing

      nut up or shut up

      August 26, 2011 at 10:17 pm Reply
      1. Jarlexly

        Not doing anything? Mate you areabsolutly unaware of whats is going on, mark these words "There is nothing you can do to 150 SC + 100 Titan" you are suggesting suicide Cane attack like goons doing, goons arent dealing this kind of attack right now, even when their 200 man cane fleet is retreating from battlefield when they see 10 SC and anything that AAA do to save his honour worth nothing cause the DRF will not say "Wow they lost the fight to their last ship but they have earned an e-honour" they will feed on this drame more and then AAA and co will fade. But now AAA and co has the advantage of fight back, do you realy think that DRF ( or basicly White Noise) can defend all the regions they grab. Up north Goons attacking, down south AAA ( with all their SC and Titan) waiting to attack. Even DRF needs to choose a battle field to fight.north of south. They are now focusing on south with all they have got, so lets say they have reached their goal and taken all south then what? They have to put residents to those places and pull their main force and players back to their main land, after that at every day thwir residents will get under attack from other forces, what will they do ? Attack every fracking gang/ fleet they see? İt isnt possible even they have this SC ,titan advantage, they cannot be at everywhere at every turn, they need to draw a line in the sand and accept that they can only cover limited amount of regions. İf they dont accept this their alliance will loose its weight to fight.

        Quato: if you try to fight from everyside you'll loose the war.

        August 27, 2011 at 10:05 am Reply
        1. Grunt45647

          In fairness, this is EVE, not RL. Alliances collapse more often from boredom than from war-weariness, and DRF right now doesn't seem either weary or bored. If you're fighting (drastically disadvantaged) armies on all fronts, that just means you never run out of pew-pew and never have cause to feel bad about your killboard stats. Much back-patting occurs and instead of being bored at gate-camps people regale each other with tales of the recent fights they've missed.

          This changes when you face real, significant threats to your sovereignty, but there really aren't any at the moment.

          At all.

          DRF's day will pass as passed those that came before them, but this is the dawn of their empire, not the dusk.

          August 27, 2011 at 11:11 am Reply
      2. goat

        goons had the numbers though, be fair not all can bring 400+ suicide canes, this isn't complaining, I'm just saying eve is broken and RMT has unbalanced the game.
        Its not that supers need to be nerfed, but RMT has made them easy to get which ccp probably didn't factor in.
        We should all move to losec and start another thunderdome without the worry of sov and leave the drf and friends to bot their little hearts out, they will get bored eventually all by themselves

        August 27, 2011 at 1:51 pm Reply
        1. Marcus_McTavish

          So they bot and RMT and stilll have teh isk to buy supers.
          mkay
          RMT is taking isk out of the dealers wallet.
          mkay
          all im saying is dont sit there and do nothing then complain.
          CCP has said that they dont want to nerf super that much, its the biggest isk sink in the game, why ruin that. just make fighterbombers only be able to attack structures, and give them a slight damage boost to fighters, Then cut the dread siege time in half, if not more, then give them a bonus while fighting supercapitals.

          As it stands this nerf wont be an automatic "IWIN" button for AAA, CCP wont delete DRF supers.
          BTW for the last time stop be so ignorant and accept that all major alliances have bots

          I'll toss your mom's salad if that would help 😛

          August 27, 2011 at 7:04 pm Reply
          1. goat

            dont think its so much a "IWIN" button just not going to be as much a "ILOSE" button.

            and as far as RMT its not ignorant looking at the facts, no other alliance has anywhere near the isk drf does, how did they get it then?

            August 27, 2011 at 11:05 pm
          2. Marcus_McTavish

            Well now, if you remember MM, What happened to all that Tech isk, RMT.
            DRF RMT implies that they are selling isk for real life money, so they now have less isk, but then somehow still having more to buy supers from you
            They didnt have much isk wise, 4 alliances worked together to acctually manipulate the region rats they have to get minerals and then build titans and supercarriers.
            Its isk vs minerals for rats.
            they worked together in the drone regions to achieve goals instead of just trying to get the most isk

            August 28, 2011 at 2:55 pm
    6. Mintrolio

      CONFRIMIGN I AMS TO NOT LIK THE STROY OF SUPERNERFS.

      ALSO EVEN WITH SUPERCARYIERS NERF, DER BIGEST BLOBBIGN OF SUPER STILL = WIN BUTONS. DRF NOT TO LOSIGN SUPERS OVRE NIHGT, JUST SOME ABILTY AND STIL THEY HAVIGN MANY MOR THEN ENMENY.

      ALSO ONLY WAY TO CHANGIGN THESE IS FUR CCCP TO BE DO TO THIGNS AT SAMES TIMES:.

      ALSO 1. IS TO NERF SUPRER CARRYIER (DRON BAY, HP, BONUS, ETC, NOT IMUNES EWARS ETC.)

      ALSO 2. IS TO MAK NEW SHIP CALSS THET IS SPECIEL ROLL TO ALOW BIGGRE HELPIGN IN KILL OF SUPER CARRYIERS (MEBE IMUNES TO SUPER CARRYIER TAGRETIGN OR LIEK NOCTIS WITH INSTA-SUPER CARRYIER NEUT CAPABLITY, ETC).

      ALSO I NO WANT HEREIGN ANY MOR POAST OF SUPER NERFIGN !

      KEEP UP GOOD POASTIGN.

      August 27, 2011 at 6:57 am Reply
    7. Frodo the BOBit

      It's fun how AAA view has changed from 'ha ha you won't take any system 'cause we'll just time everything to US Prime' (After 46DP victory) to 'there's no point in fighting' (after HED falling)

      August 27, 2011 at 12:16 pm Reply
    8. heh

      there's something very broken with this game if people are waiting for the "supernerf" to come

      August 27, 2011 at 4:21 pm Reply
  2. hellion86

    It's amusing how many ppl are so dependent on the SC nerf. Oh, we'll let the DRF take our space and when all their precious SC's get nerf we'll be back and get our systems back….DRF didnt even have a large fleet to take GE-, pretty sure -A- and their allies should have enough titans and SC's of their own they could have managed some kind of defense. It's sad that they don't at least try anymore.

    August 26, 2011 at 4:39 pm Reply
    1. Oh good! You have a good response fleet for a smallish alliance to deal with 12 Titans and 12 super-carriers, plus a 200-strong Hellcat/AHAC support fleet with strong Guardian reps, then? Please share your wisdom with the rest of the class.

      August 26, 2011 at 4:52 pm Reply
      1. gemi

        If you cannot pullout enough numbers to engage, then you suck and dont deserve any space.

        Oh, whats that? thats right you are waiting for "supercapital nerf". WTF will the supercap nerf do anyway?? slightly lower the dps of supers? Fact is that other alliances need to stop being poor and afford supers instead of crying about other people having more supers.

        August 26, 2011 at 5:18 pm Reply
        1. spacepoor

          not everyone has shit ton of tech moons bro

          August 26, 2011 at 5:24 pm Reply
          1. Grunt

            wtf does the tech moons have to do with it? they just recently got those. MM and friends had those moons up until just 4-5 months ago and they had them for couple of years. MM and friends still loss. if anything the NC should still be alive and controlling almost all of eve becuase they should of been able to buy supers like mad because of their tech moons alone. The russians took space that nobody wanted – drones don't give bounties – this forced them to work together (even if you yell botting there is still alot more logistics when farming drones than thier is killing other rats and I have seen botting in npc space so quit acting like it is one group) That working together is reason they keep winning. All other alliances lose because they get attacked and die they blame other people and still dont work together.

            August 26, 2011 at 7:05 pm
          2. ObserveR

            You are right in that the drone regions have changed the way the residing corps/alliances work in Eve. You either work together in the drone regions or you eventually end up back in empire shouting how the drone regions suck.
            Its really simple – Everyone raise your hand if you can build any capital/supercapital ship in the game without ever leaving a system or bringing in any material to the system.
            If your hand is raised you are either delusional or you live in the drone regions.
            Tech moons dont control Eve. Minerals control Eve just like they always have.

            August 26, 2011 at 8:15 pm
        2. And not everyone has the numbers to match the DRF's, which as I mentioned in the reply above, are 10,000 pilots just counting the alliances that engaged in this system alone.

          By your logic, nobody deserves space except the DRF and GSF.

          August 26, 2011 at 6:17 pm Reply
          1. dek grunt

            Do you assume that alliances have the 'right' to own space? Even with super-cap nerf, fleet size and average pilot SP on such fleet will still win the sov war. Nerfing that aspect of the game is pretty much impossible (unless CCP pull a Blizzard move and find a way to reset the game, much like every WoW expansion).

            August 26, 2011 at 6:41 pm
          2. Marcus_McTavish

            Not all 10,000 fight because they are in the regions they own, but AAA is fighting (sotosay) in the regions they own and dont even bother.

            No one expected you to win, but you should not have given up, you should have at the very least tried before throwing in the towel.

            August 27, 2011 at 7:19 pm
          3. -A-

            Why don't your goofy-ass fill the void then Captain Post-a-lot… Lets see what you'll be dribbling on the forums about when u have 20 SC spamming bombers after you….

            August 28, 2011 at 1:55 pm
        3. Wonder

          No, I'm waiting on the new Star Wars game to come out, High Sec sucks

          August 26, 2011 at 6:24 pm Reply
        4. wtf

          Yeah CCP's plan for smaller alliances entering 0.0 and having small pvp battles just went poof by ur comment.

          August 26, 2011 at 8:09 pm Reply
      2. hellion86

        http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_reco….

        looks like more than 12 SC's to me…WN. is a smaller alliance than -A-, Red Alliance is about the same size, the only one that is actually larger is X.W.X, which in the case of this battle had low numbers. I do remember -A- sending fleets up to help the NC, so y cant they get the same help from those alliances? and there sir is your 12 titans and 12 super-carriers and even if u want, your 200 strong support fleet.

        August 26, 2011 at 5:26 pm Reply
        1. Er, you might want to temper your analysis with… you know… facts. The DRF came into this system together, not separately. White Noise, Red Alliance, NCdot, SOLAR, and xxDeathxx between them have 10,000 pilots.

          There's no coalition left in the game that can match them on numbers alone except possibly GSF, who are sitting this one out. And of course, DRF doesn't fight with numbers, do they?

          August 26, 2011 at 6:15 pm Reply
          1. hellion86

            er, original analysis was backed by facts, i see facts(incomplete as they are) and links to those facts….wheres your facts? oh drf coalition has 10k ppl, congrats on sporting your own. my point that -A- can field what you said would be oh so hard to field is stated.

            in the BR i see only 1 Solar member, and very few xxDeathxx compared to NC. WN. and Red…whether or not that is what was actually in system…so clearly those 2 Alliances had a strong prescience for that.

            heres some more

            "I’d say though we were largely Apprehensive. There is every potential that -A- can turn the fight in their favour due to having a much larger US TZ Presence."

            "FC has ordered Super carriers to remain logged off as he doesn’t wish to lose the entire Fighter bomber’s to Bombs and remain out of system for this stage…10 min or so pass and it becomes clear that neither the bombers are confident enough or the enemy willing to fight.

            FC Call’s for only titan’s to jump in and begin engaging the Station. Still no sign of the enemy, another 5 min pass and the FC then states that anyone willing to risk there vulnerable fighter bombers can jump there Super Carriers in."

            theres some facts showing that -A- had some fighting chance if they would have tried during USTZ

            Maybe if -A- hadnt pissed off all their blue's they wouldnt be in quite as bad of a situation

            August 26, 2011 at 7:32 pm
          2. GEWNSSSSS

            There's a difference between "much larger US TZ" and actually being effective enough to offset the DRF primetime losses. -A- is a lot smaller than these comments make it out to be, fyi.

            August 26, 2011 at 7:46 pm
          3. hellion86

            "-A- is a lot smaller than these comments make it out to be"

            that i know…i understand that they're not Goon sized or DRF sized, but between them and what few allies they have left, they should be able to do something other than cower in LGK hoping that the SC nerf is significant enough to effect SC blob game play. and if they do in fact have a stronger USTZ player base, they should get better organized and use that to their advantage. I was in ROL. when -A- and co. got word that WN. was going to hit them after the war in the North, when -A- actually did something and took WN. space. They(-A- and Co.) need to bring some of that back.

            August 26, 2011 at 10:34 pm
          4. Marcus_McTavish

            Yea Solar Fleet is just chilling, Shadow doesnt really care.
            Its RED (you invaded them), WN. (they mad, idk), and NC. (likes to kill stuff)
            There should be a new name for this group.
            notice they are friends.
            OMG thats right, Stain reset you cuz you acting like overlords, good thing it worked with all your pals in Delve

            August 27, 2011 at 7:16 pm
      3. La Lola

        Smallish fleets have NO place in nullsec, get out!

        August 29, 2011 at 11:14 am Reply
  3. Superguy

    "Considering their capacity to pull large numbers of supercap pilots, and having far more super-capital pilots than the -A-TEAM during this campaign, they were confident in their abilities to bring more supers."

    Fixed some typos for ya. You're welcome.

    August 26, 2011 at 5:08 pm Reply
    1. Libria Kyzal

      Win.

      August 26, 2011 at 6:41 pm Reply
  4. geebiss

    I'm with Gemi on this one. And ill give u guys a clue. The reason thr russians havemore supers is because the drone regions provide the raw materials to make them fast. It might sound insane but in the xxdeath renter alliance there's hundreds. Of supers lurking. At least 200+ as manu csaa's you can anchor you can build supers per month. It takes 250k of drone plush to build a super. Just a clue.

    August 26, 2011 at 5:31 pm Reply
    1. yeah am pretty sure MM selling cheap caps to them didn't had anything to do about it… 😛

      August 26, 2011 at 6:15 pm Reply
    2. -A- 4life

      This.
      Actually, drone regions destroyed balance in EVE. Alloys to minerals chain is too easy. I lived there for some time and it's extremely easy to get ships there – just clear like one or two anomalies and you get enough to build an abaddon, not saying about smaller ships. Plus the moons, plus the fact that DRF is gathering alloys from their renters. For example they have special people who you can contract your alloys to (in stations), 10% cheaper than Jita, but it saves you the transportation hassle, they even got special calculators for it – like this one: http://rsscp.ru/alloy/
      AND!!! They even issue alliance/coalition wide orders that, for example, PROHIBIT SALE OF ALLOYS, it means you can only sell to their internal buyers. One way to battle it legally would be bans for account sharing, because it's well-known that it's wide spread inside DRF (and any other major alliance in that case tbh), also while we're at it (off topic tho) – please do kill and report those fucking tengu-bots in Red alliance space…
      And so guess where all these alloys go? Of course – they fuel supercap production! DRF leader is not smart, make no mistake, he uses blunt force and money to win, that's nothing special, more than that – that's all he ever did. His lackeys though are much trickier, they use lies and deception and half-truths to manipulate your average Joe (Ivan in this case), just look at all the stupid commenters here – "why -A- didn't give us a fight?" Oh, have it crossed your mind maybe that -A- are also real people and not your nameless pc-game mobs? Why would a man that can think and evaluate throw away his ship, even in a computer game, but we're talking for what's it worth so w/e, so why would he do that when enemy has at least 10+ titans on the field – ship that can fry his ass in one shot. Let's say -A- brought subcap fleet – boom and 10 logists are gone, let's say -A- also brought their supers – next thing they know is coalition wide DRF supercap login, cyno up and SC/titan blob goes down on them. DRF got huge numbers in raw people, not just supers and titans and money, every little faggot that seeks easy wins and "satisfaction" for his primitive pleasure center joins DRF coalition just to fly among blue supercaps and fell so "powerful". Such people disgust me.
      -A- got honor and principles above all.

      And remember kids, God forgives, -A- does not. You needed whole EVE's supercaps to take us down – good job noob. We will come back and have the last laugh when allies that you bought turn against you. UAxDeath takes this game too serious and his main mistake is that he think everyone feels the same way about it. It's completely not true. We play a game while he build an empire to suck money for his real life. He does RMT and all know it, just like Vuk Lau, but in much bigger sums.
      While -A- can afford being lazy and not give a shit – he just can't, he needs more money, he wants new renters in former -A- space. He's just a clown that can't have normal job, normal life, play a game for good fights and fun.
      And the sad thing is – YOU ALL help him just be like that. He's nothing without you, the people. Yet, you lick his ass, oh how the mighty have fallen.

      August 29, 2011 at 8:52 am Reply
      1. La Lola

        So, You, my super retarded american red neck trash friend are complaining because an alliance is organized maybe its because you suck too much, or ebcause you cry to much but theres NO PLACE for you in EvE you guys should all quit Eve already and stop whining!

        August 29, 2011 at 10:39 am Reply
      2. Socrates

        There no way for a coalition to win agaisnt the DRF at the moment.
        The big egos and selfishness destroyed the NC and now DRF and friends rolling over the -A-.
        As i see the -A- would not through their supers in a fight as did the NC in their final days.
        If thats good or not i cannot say.
        But imo the game is broken right now.
        Numbers are everything they have always been in EVE.
        Drone regions, supers, SOV warfare, lag issues and many others that i can bring forth right now need to be address.

        September 1, 2011 at 11:50 am Reply
  5. geebiss

    RAW MATERIALS equals very large Cap fleet.

    August 26, 2011 at 5:32 pm Reply
    1. Jarlexly

      Raw BOTing equals to large cap fleet (i cant stop myself to correct drf member's articals/replies)

      August 27, 2011 at 2:45 pm Reply
      1. Marcus_McTavish

        I cant stop myself from pointing out your ignorance.

        August 27, 2011 at 7:07 pm Reply
        1. CTA

          Or showing your own….

          August 28, 2011 at 1:38 pm Reply
          1. Marcus_McTavish

            You cant play the blame card on everything.
            If you have never seen a bot in non-drf space, then undock from jita and go to ANY region in eve, it was even more common with the old nc.
            too bad thier crappy propaganda did not die with them

            August 28, 2011 at 2:56 pm
      2. La Lola

        Just because you are a shit fuck american that cant help himself out of his house cause he is obnoxiously fat you dont have to hate our russian overlords

        August 29, 2011 at 9:44 am Reply
  6. Ex-IT

    Perfect reason that stations need to blow up. let the conquering force put up a new one if they desire. Nice self backslapping by the author, gonna be mighty boring with nothing to shoot….. oh well back to botting.

    August 26, 2011 at 5:35 pm Reply
    1. lol

      You mean like scorched earth tactics?

      August 26, 2011 at 5:38 pm Reply
  7. Bravely bold Sir Robin rode forth from CamelotBravely bold Sir Robin rode forth from Camelot
    He was not afraid to die, O brave Sir Robin
    He was not at all afraid to be killed in nasty ways
    Brave, brave, brave, brave Sir Robin
    He was not in the least bit scared to be mashed into a pulp
    Or to have his eyes gouged out and his elbows broken
    To have his kneecaps split and his body burned away
    And all his limbs hacked and mangled, brave Sir Robin
    His head smashed in and his heart cut out
    And his liver removed and his bowels unplugged
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    And his nostrils raped and his bottom burnt off and his…
    Brave Sir Robin ran away
    Bravely, ran away…away…
    When danger reared its ugly head
    He bravely turned his tail and fled
    Yes, brave Sir Robin turned about
    And gallantly he chickened out
    Bravely talking to his feet
    He beat a very brave retreat
    Bravest of the brave, Sir Robin

    August 26, 2011 at 8:57 pm Reply
  8. Kalissa

    Lets face it, right now DRF isn't gonna get the fight they want from anyone anywhere in the game. Everyone saw the Supercap numbers that they brought against the NC. There's no point in fighting those numbers as it's totally futile and wouldn't achieve anything except losing some very expensive stuff.

    Tactics? Strategy? They mean nothing against an enemy that just loads the system with countless titans and SC's. People look toward the supercap nerf as a way of levelling the playing field a little more. From what I'm hearing all ships with jump drive will feel the nerf bat, with SC's feeling it most of all, though Dreads are apparently gonna do well out of it.

    As I said, doesn't matter where you go DRF guys, that big epic fight you're after is not gonna happen and I suspect in your hearts you know it. Alliance will sooner sacrifice space and let you grind down the sov.

    Oh and I am a titan and SC pilot and I for one can't wait for the nerf bat even though it'll hurt me too, supers are ruining the game for a lot of people.

    August 26, 2011 at 9:06 pm Reply
    1. La Lola

      LOl retarded you have no idea what the change will be at all and you are just being stupid and using your wild imagination about any capital change, facts or GTFO

      August 29, 2011 at 9:43 am Reply
      1. Kalissa

        If you seriously believe there are no changes coming to capitals then you're dumber than your post made you look.

        I also have a pretty good idea of whats upcoming but hey if I'm wrong then come back here when the changes get made and call me on it, until then shut the fuck up.

        August 30, 2011 at 4:38 am Reply
  9. Bashiri

    I remember a whole Year ago. When you try to pvp a coalition with your lone alliance you got out blob. They got hotdrop by carrier fleets and super caps also.Then they cry about numbers. You go tell them get more friends.

    Now those same people came back kicking your teeth in with more numbers equal numbers of super caps to you. Now it's OMG you fight so unfair now. Don't bring supers ,why you have so many friends etc etc……

    For all those living in 0.0 This is war you do what you must to win. If you don't like it faction warfare is not to far around the corner.

    August 26, 2011 at 9:27 pm Reply
    1. Bashiri

      Oh i forgot to say . Didn't -a- super cap blob the crap out of CVA now those same pilots crying about it happening to them?

      August 26, 2011 at 9:28 pm Reply
      1. Marcus_McTavish

        Irony at its finest moment.

        August 27, 2011 at 7:06 pm Reply
      2. Funny – what happens when the Russians have coalitions of people at their doorstep once winter comes? People will rally once the Russians no longer have an "I win" button.

        August 28, 2011 at 6:31 pm Reply
        1. La Lola

          You are a dumbfuck if you think the supernerf is gonna affect anything at all

          August 29, 2011 at 9:41 am Reply
    2. Wonder

      Um I see where you are coming from but the bottom line is the players don't have to take it, they don't have to suck it up, they can just go to one of the hundreds of other games out there.

      So it might not be fair, and it might be "just deserts", Karma or whatever but if there is the just the DRF and the six of us left in the game then who the hell cares?

      August 26, 2011 at 9:36 pm Reply
    3. Jarlexly

      You know this isnt the first time that RED Alliance back stabbed itself from inside, you drf members are bolstering at every artical but remember that every time all russian alliances broken from inside. Every alliance has excuses for their failures , but yours will be big and your fall will be the bigger.

      August 27, 2011 at 2:51 pm Reply
  10. Sun Wukong

    1. DRF is not 100%. I dont even think 70%.
    2. If u are not big enough to swallow the Shark. Go eat Nemo.
    3. If ur Strongest Weapon get stolen. Dont you get something similar?. Or better?!

    Stop complaining.

    btw. Bots are everywhere.

    August 26, 2011 at 11:08 pm Reply
  11. Evil Thug

    -A- is shit!

    August 26, 2011 at 11:15 pm Reply
    1. -A-

      Are u looking in the mirror Troll-Thug?

      August 28, 2011 at 1:44 pm Reply
  12. PissOff

    SE and C0ven do what they do best…stab people in the back. They say they just want good fights…but there the kind of fair weather friends no one needs…If -A- get over ran i hope SE and C0ven lose there space as well, and i hope -A- camps there evac points to show them the same kind of friendship they have shown there blues.

    August 26, 2011 at 11:19 pm Reply
    1. ze german

      this exactly. stain and coven are nothing more than backstabbers. no loyalty. i hope their space will burn soon and their backstabbing leaders lose all their stuff. go DRF. burn their houses, shit on their lawn and drop the kitchen sink on their dog.

      August 27, 2011 at 12:33 am Reply
  13. Jedi kill

    Stain empire are the biggest cowards in the game for re setting AAA when the going got tough they get out lol

    August 27, 2011 at 12:22 am Reply
    1. Marcus_McTavish

      AAA talked to them like your parents would, but they were like brothers in combat.
      Stain was done taking shit, who can blame them

      August 27, 2011 at 7:10 pm Reply
  14. This is awful, your so called articles are partly made up of Kugu and part shit, the proof reading is terribad and days late.

    August 27, 2011 at 2:37 am Reply
  15. Mountains/molehills

    Thanks for writing up report, always interesting to see perspective from the other side.

    As I've acknowledged elsewhere – the DRF has won in catch. Simples.

    From a combat perspective your article actually states the reason why:

    "At this point there are now around 12 Titan’s and 12 SC’s shooting the station. Still No sign of the enemy"

    this is you say just the ones that can be bothered – with further supercaps waiting in the wings. A subcap fleet will instantly loose 12 logistics, seriously denting the chance of damaging even the DRF subcap fleet. The subcap fleet from DRF are welcome to complain they are not getting a fight, but with that kind of supercap/titan umbrella its not feasible. I am not saying their supercap fleet always has this umbrella, but in this case, when it matters on a key timer, it has that support.

    The southern coalition knows if they escalate and bring supers in, the DRF has the ability to simply escalate again. It is this fear (even if at times perhaps innacurate) that stops Supercaps being deployed.

    From the DRF perspective this will be taken as 'cowardly' and 'unwilling to fight;, wheras the southern coalition simply view it as pragmatic. Lose station and supercap ability – or let a station flip.

    This causes the DRF to be frustrated as little in the way of large scale sov warfare, and the south frustrated as little opportunity for a big fight with a semblance of a chance of breaking even.

    perhaps 700 billion isk killed 30 bombers…….

    Perhaps boredom will be the decisive weapon in this war!

    Bigger picture is now academic, southern alliances should have invested more in supercaps, sure, shouldn't have imagined things would be different when/if DRF turned south, yup, could have stuck together rather than taking the coin to flip or not assist, yup.

    Actually enjoying and looking forward to fights as part of the 'little guys' hitting the big group on the block, even if it means fighting from Stain (station games… shudder)

    August 27, 2011 at 12:22 pm Reply
    1. La Lola

      Southern allies are a bunch of backstabbing bitches with the same foresigh at a fucking mole so they deserve to be crushed and expelled form EVE. permanently! Go to your local McD's farking Rednecks

      August 29, 2011 at 11:13 am Reply
  16. Pilot

    Its pretty simple. The DRF are the superior force in new eden currently. Untill people give them this credit they will not be defeated.
    RISE AGAINST THE RUSSIAN MACHINE BRETHEREN!

    August 27, 2011 at 3:45 pm Reply
    1. La Lola

      No defeat is needed just take a painless assimilation

      August 29, 2011 at 11:09 am Reply
  17. Bashiri

    I find this very funny to read about RMT and that's all DRF does. When in fact a lot of other coalition top members have been known. Even NC logs was posted about it. Still people whine and cry about something that's been around for the pass 6 years i've been playing eve. Everyone is doing you just don't want to talk about your own i find very funny about a lot of readers.

    August 27, 2011 at 8:55 pm Reply
    1. DRF
      August 27, 2011 at 9:28 pm Reply
      1. Bashiri

        ROL is part of -a- block yet I don't see someone saying ROL this and that. I know alot of southern alliances that did it dating back to bob to goons and today's group.

        August 27, 2011 at 9:32 pm Reply
  18. geebiss

    You guys crying for the super nerf will be sadly disappointed. Ok so instead of a blob of supers it'll be something else. Maybe titans. Then u will cry to nerf that too. If a group can't build tons of supers was forced to use something else wouldn't they be able to build those just. As fast. So I don't see the winter is coming logic behind your thinking.

    August 28, 2011 at 3:39 pm Reply
    1. SuperFail

      Titans are considerably more difficult to build than Supers….

      August 28, 2011 at 6:27 pm Reply
  19. FauxNews?

    (once again proving that the losing side is never willing to document their short comings).

    Thanks Rivi – this comment "once again" proves that EN24 is never willing to provide a fair and balanced reporting perspective.

    August 28, 2011 at 6:25 pm Reply
  20. sub

    eve alliance warfare is exceedingly drab

    September 1, 2011 at 11:44 pm Reply
  21. Sukiyama

    Goons need to invade White Noise.

    September 2, 2011 at 1:13 pm Reply
  22. Sukiyama

    Goons need to attack White Noise!!!!!!

    September 2, 2011 at 1:19 pm Reply
  23. eveplayer777

    if everyone wants to defeat the drf, why dont they actually form an eve wide coalition and outblob the blob. if enough of the null sec alliances formed together next time drf makes a move, i doubt their cap fleet will mean much when they are so widely outnumbered they retreat. imagine will you if you guys stopped fighting, and started talking and brought numbers the drf nor nc could ever dream of doing. drf would lose.

    September 5, 2011 at 9:52 pm Reply
  24. La Lola

    Bring your own supers maybe and stop whining? You want CCP to want the war for you if you dont use expensive ships you HAVE TO love every time

    August 29, 2011 at 11:10 am Reply

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