Last Friday the Deklein Coalition, led by GoonSwarm Federation, brought another one of their WhelpCat fleets for a cyno ride to the Tribute region. Here is the submitted battle-report:

Battle Report RaidenDOT / NCDOT / Deklein Coalition / -A-TEAM

This intel is from the goon fleet perspective:

I was part of the whelp fleet, It all started when we titan bridged into D7-Z off grid. All 200+ whelp canes were warped immediately on top of a titan blob that consisted of 5-6 titans that were 40km or so off a NC. POS. The POS contained 3 CSAA’s in them, and had just come out of reinforce.

We began to whelp one out of the 2 ragnaroks, and he started to MELT. To our disappointment, the bubblers got carried away and dropped bubbles too close to the smartbombing titans and were soon killed. This gave one of the ragnaroks a chance to warp off when he was in 30% armor (armor tanked rags), and we proceeded to attack the next rag who seen entered armor, but he too warped away as bubbles failed to go up in time.

We disengaged and warped off to a gate… FC was mad that we lost 2 titans kills and in all that, and that he lost his covert ops on the other side of the gate we sat on. He made us jump blind into H-W where we were greeted with a NC. and AAA/ROL armor fleet with logi support (we had no logi), in what seemed to be a clash between the two. We all thought we were going to die because we had no idea they were there.

We decloaked and primaries were called, and before we know it, they were already burning to the gate to D7-Z and jumping through. We all approached gate and jumped through. AAA/ROL gang warped to the NC. PoS with the 3 CSAA’s and started to kill it. We warped 250km above them and sat and watched…. Waiting…. At the time this was happening there were no NC. titans/moms/carriers on grid. About 5 min later or so a cyno went up and NC. carriers started to bridge in we took this chance, warped to 0 of the carriers and started whelping. As this was happening, Raiden., NC., and White Noise Titans and Supers started jumping in. We whelped the 5 carriers and warped out with minimal casualties. As the carriers were dying I failed to see what happened to the AAA/ROL gang, either warped off or died.

– Vnixx

Raw Intel

D7-ZAC Carrier Kills
H-W9TY ight

R

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47 Comments

  1. TheOtherPlayer

    the related is broken, raiden is on the both sides lol

    August 23, 2011 at 6:22 pm Reply
    1. random dude

      That is what happens when you have capitals in a BR, the smartbombs causes them to show up on both sides.

      August 23, 2011 at 6:57 pm Reply
  2. allude

    guess those CSAA are full of candy!

    August 23, 2011 at 6:24 pm Reply
  3. RoHo

    oh for fucks sake riverini If you dont want to call it the properly designated name Mr.Vee has said you can call it "riverini is a fag" fleet or something to that effect. When you develop a fleet doctrine you can call it whatever the fuck you want. It not even a good troll just you being butt hurt, or having a cat fetish. I'm starting to lean towards the cat fetish.

    August 23, 2011 at 6:33 pm Reply
    1. Manks Girl

      The emo is strong with this one!

      August 23, 2011 at 6:40 pm Reply
    2. I don't see a problem calling it a WhelpCat, WhelpCats or for narrative purposes a WhelpFleet. Now if you guys had the foresight to call it a "WhelpFit" cane it would had a better "groove" into it when writing.

      R

      August 23, 2011 at 6:45 pm Reply
      1. Kratisto

        its welpfleet. theres no goddamn H. whelp is something completely different. But for gods sake the cat fetish has to go.

        August 23, 2011 at 7:11 pm Reply
        1. shitpoast

          It becomes a 'whelp'fleet when riverini's flying in it amirite amirite

          August 24, 2011 at 3:33 pm Reply
      2. RoHo

        Since Goon naming conventions follow a name related function with the use of the word fleet as a sufix. When we ran drakes we called it shield-fleet instead of drake army or whatever everyone else did because we ran a beefier fit than most alliances that sacrificed dps for longevity. Alpha-fleet is about the alpha to bypass enemy logistics and "welp-fleet " (note the spelling) is about disposability and somewhat suicidal nature of the doctrine.

        If the flavor of the month were to change to gallente with the Demos became decent enough that we ran a fleet of them, we would call them dongfleet or something and you would call them Dongcats. The only person wanting to calling them cats is you.

        Its a gimmick but its a definably the current goon gimmick as apposed to PL's Cat gimmick.

        How you believe saying 'whelpfit' canes somehow flows better than welpfleet is beyond me though. If you want to call them welpfleet fit hurricanes to distinguish them form all the other power blocks fielding hurricane fleets then do that instead.

        By the way RIverini, What do you MM/Brick guys call that weird Sacrilege fleet you guys were running internally catsacs?

        August 23, 2011 at 7:53 pm Reply
        1. droljica

          Ouch, cat is outa sack …

          August 23, 2011 at 8:05 pm Reply
        2. We use hellcats and whelpcats… :)

          August 23, 2011 at 8:07 pm Reply
          1. Conner

            I'd actually be surprised if you knew what a hellcat fleet was….

            August 23, 2011 at 9:19 pm
          2. or a whelp

            August 24, 2011 at 5:21 am
          3. Easy

            or a fleet

            August 24, 2011 at 11:06 am
          4. Syndic

            Or an unbiased news site.

            August 24, 2011 at 12:29 pm
          5. timmy

            or where the undock button is

            August 28, 2011 at 1:04 pm
          6. droljica

            whata bad comment riverini…. but u can set me -75 more, if u gonna fell better :))

            August 25, 2011 at 2:55 pm
        3. paost

          Sacrilege fleet has officially been named the FailCat. Or SickSac.

          August 24, 2011 at 7:08 am Reply
      3. don't let these guys try their control the narrative tricks on you Riverini

        August 23, 2011 at 10:48 pm Reply
    3. Syndic

      They are the CopyCat Fleet. I tried to fucking tell him this to save him from looking like a stupid coon, but alas, it is riverini.

      August 24, 2011 at 12:25 pm Reply
  4. Anonymous

    As a ROL pilot, i heard from my companions the rest of the history.

    DRF dropped even more titan and supers, we lost something like 10 BS´s, so FC ordered a retreat and DRF kept the CSAA´s.

    You can pretty much copy and paste this intel for the next battle reports whith drf till the MUCH needed super-nerf comes. The capital uses is so abused that Nalvula, our staging system, has carriers camping the undock, with sub-capital help for tackle and fast lock.

    I think that DRF uses capital ships even as tackle, nowadays.

    In the increasing rarer times we afford to find some sub-capital fight, it is always fun. We win some, loose others. But, most of times, it´s super capital blob all over, or super capital help.

    In the name of Lassie, they dropped super capital blob on our roams !!!!!!!! To kill 10 or less battlecruisers !!!!

    Good hunt.

    August 23, 2011 at 6:48 pm Reply
    1. RoHo

      I had a 30 man gate camp comprised of mostly rifters get dropped by 5 aeons and 2 nyx one time. we lost nothing but a few t2 bubbles but it goes to show you that the guys dropping them dont use them for fights but as a fuck off button. Had they dropped a titan I'm sure they would have remote sensor boosted it to insta lock and dd a newbie in a t1 frig.

      August 23, 2011 at 8:04 pm Reply
      1. Anonymous

        I agree with you ´bout adapting to the situation. Whelpfleets (come on, great name !) shows that low cost ships can be a real threat for supers. But, let´s be honest, most of the time, when you manage to fleet up 200+ pilots in BS´s, only to see your enemy fleet up as much sc´s, there is nothing much that can be done.

        And eve whelpfleet have their limits. They are great for low-sec, but any sov war winner is defined by the alliance ho has more sc´s, no matter how much sub-capitals you gather. It´s that simple: destroy cyno, jump capitals in, finish. Rince and repeat.

        Something must be done to make the use of capitals more risky, against sub-captals.

        My opinion.

        Good hunt.

        August 23, 2011 at 8:25 pm Reply
        1. Imigo

          Didn't quite work out that way in VFK though.

          Sure they RF'd the station, but when the system was then permacamped by hundreds of angry bees the super pilots suddenly became pretty timid.

          August 23, 2011 at 9:49 pm Reply
          1. Qwerty4812

            yeah goons and company did excellent job of defending cyno jammers…. why? cause i flew with them =D…

            STAY AWAY FROM THE CYNO JAMMER AND NO U MAY NOT HAVE A CYCLE

            August 24, 2011 at 4:04 am
      2. TheOtherPlayer

        i remember times when Atlas used AoE ddd titans on our roaming gangs….
        still the issue here is not in super caps per say, it is in determination. DRF is waging, well, a total war on whatever enemy it could see. Hence untill other people will see fun in sov warfare (and yes, DRF maniacs do see fun in mass fleet battles, especially in node is in perma boost, b/c that is why there were born in the first place), "serious spaceship pilots" will just grind you down.

        ou and just as a teaser http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4zACNtSkt8&fe

        August 23, 2011 at 8:28 pm Reply
  5. Spectator

    supercaps are not overpowered imo, they are just used way too much…
    also, goons and others (who don't have as many SCs) should try to adopt to the current situation and not just whine and cry for supercap nerf

    only thing supercap nerf will change is that the winner will no longer be determined by isk in fleet (like it was in supercap blobs, not saying anything about tactics), but in numbers… if a fleet of 250 battleships (60b isk) can defeat a fleet of 30 supercarriers (600b) then something is seriously wrong

    August 23, 2011 at 7:16 pm Reply
    1. RoHo

      It's clear to me that you absolutely no grasp of whats going on as every alliance in the game admits super-caps are broken at the moment. Hell PL will say so, with some reservation. I don't fault our enemy's for having massive super fleets because with the way ccp has balanced the game. Supers are the real hard power in eve and the only counter is more supers or a massive 24 hour timezone presence that can cover cynojammers.

      If you think its balanced to drop 30 super carriers and no sub caps to defend them and win that fight maybe you should be the one to 'adapt'.

      August 23, 2011 at 8:32 pm Reply
      1. Spectator007

        Rivi, is there a way to count the number of times the word "supercaps" has been used on your site?

        August 23, 2011 at 9:27 pm Reply
      2. Seraph IX Basarab

        SC's should be support ships, not main line fighting ships to be used. Personally I would cut down on their tank and DPS and give them more range. So they can act as a back line support entity like carriers should.

        August 23, 2011 at 9:28 pm Reply
        1. Random Space Hobo

          You also have to increase the speed of drones to makeup for the distances they travel then

          August 24, 2011 at 12:13 am Reply
        2. Ilvari

          Range is irrelevant today, as soon as you go over 150km you can be probed and warped to in 10 seconds.

          August 24, 2011 at 11:02 am Reply
    2. Imigo

      By the same logic (ISK value should win) you would say that 250 T1 frigs (fit cheap for 1m ISK each) shouldn't be able to beat a couple of Tier 3 BS, or that a Battlecruiser shouldn't be able to beat a Rapier.

      It's the same kind of thinking that says that a lone Level 10 Fighter should be able to beat 10 Level 1 Fighters, but imagine one knight in an expensive suit of armour fighting 10 determined peasants with pitchforks and nets, or one 100kg kick boxer fighting 10kg of angry bees…

      Thank fuck we have a game system that has a bit more complexity and need for tactical thinking than D&D.

      August 23, 2011 at 10:17 pm Reply
  6. Spectator007

    SovWar is so awesome. Not really.

    August 23, 2011 at 7:26 pm Reply
    1. TheOtherPlayer

      that is why DRF wins, as they go into total war.

      August 23, 2011 at 8:37 pm Reply
      1. Spectator007

        Seriously sov-war is probably the next worst thing in eveonline. Right next to CQ and faction warfare.

        August 23, 2011 at 9:23 pm Reply
  7. omgigothitbyacar

    econd goofleet propaganda post explaining the "why we didnt shoot csaa" issue. Fact is GS has NIP with DFR. Nip is we dont take your space if u dont help others. Counts for TEST aswell.

    August 23, 2011 at 9:48 pm Reply
    1. Imigo

      So NCDOT (owner of the CSAA POS) being heavily involved in the invasion of VFK was just a rouse to make people think there's no NIP, right?

      August 23, 2011 at 10:41 pm Reply
    2. Helix

      Why would there need to be a NIP in place to prevent Goons flying halfway across the galaxy to grind endless Dominion sov structures at alarm-clock timers to take space they have no interest in?

      August 28, 2011 at 2:11 pm Reply
  8. Guest

    The fact they cant hold tackle should come as no surprise.

    August 23, 2011 at 11:49 pm Reply
  9. -A- Sucks

    -A- Doesnt have the numbers to win.They rely on Nulli/Cascade Etc to join there cta's and when they do theres like 30 -A- pilots and handfulls of nulli fail and others.-A- have not one good FC.Mak is a fuckin emo dick that primaries blues for accidently speaking on comms.The arrogance of these fucks is beyond me.Not to mention that the only counters to fleets they fight are brought by there allies.Only ships you need to know how to fly in -A- is a fuckin geddon.They deserve to lose there space.Just a shame the other alliances are blue to -a- and will lose theres as well…IMHO -a- need to just disband.When dotlan shows you have over 2k pilots and theres only 30 of you in fleet i think its time to call it a game and go back to hisec mining.

    The drf are winning because they have pilots willing to log in and fight.And allot of them.They deserve all of 0.0 just from a logistics veiwpoint alone.Not because of supers.Not because of blues.Not because of blobs.Because of a willingness to play.

    Fuck you -A- you bunch of lazy peices of shits.Disband and get it overwith you overgrown bunch of emo raging pussies.
    One more thing.Im in the fight.On -A-'s side but cannot bring myself to help someone not willing to help themselves.
    One more time.
    Fuck you -A-.
    Fuck YOU!

    August 24, 2011 at 1:20 am Reply
  10. Riverini is a Fag

    You didn't even spell "Welp" correctly.

    August 24, 2011 at 1:45 am Reply
    1. lol

      u mad bro?

      August 24, 2011 at 1:56 am Reply
      1. Know it all.

        lol, you touch your mommy.

        August 24, 2011 at 5:02 am Reply
  11. Bored High Sec

    Does anyone else see the SC nerf involving the use of triage/siege modules? Imagine how often you would see people drop supers, if they had to fully commit to the battle in order to deploy all their drones, or use their DD or use their guns to full effect? Especially since it would seriously hamper their ability to rep each other, and their ability to flee when things got too hot. A lot can happen in a siege cycle…

    August 24, 2011 at 4:11 am Reply
  12. cattys

    csaa safe…job done…and i like those tower…they provide some gf gf gf in local>:)

    August 24, 2011 at 7:37 am Reply
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