Following a leadership meeting on early Saturday, AAA allies (Atlas., Nulli, Cascade et al.) have been given an ultimatum: Deploy in Stain with the ultimate objective of retaking the Southeast or be reset. Though the demand seems Machiavellian, the DRF’s presence in the general South has convinced the leadership of all involved alliances that there truly is no other choice.

As Ev0ke and Red Alliance stomp through Delve and NCDOT, RaidenDOT and White Noise have already been spotted in Querious, it’s become increasingly clear that the conflict in the Southeast is over and the DRF is set to dominate the South entirely. Additionally, Goonswarm and their Clusterfuck allies declared earlier this week that they would have no involvement in the South. With AAA effectively digging into NPC space and the rest of the South holding their breath, all bets are off on defending against a DRF onslaught.

It is expected that an alliance-wide order to evacuate Querious will go out to AtlasDOT following a meeting on Tuesday, though most corps have seen the writing on the wall and have either moved assets or are in the process of doing so. The -A- Team (sans -A-) is effectively giving up before losses can be incurred. One might interpret this as cowardice; in this writer’s opinion, all of the South’s assets will be needed if and when a general 0.0-wide assault on the DRF and pets ensues, and it would be pointless to waste them against supercapital blobs before the expected supercap nerf goes into effect.

Meanwhile, Goonswarm and the Clusterfuck remains the wild card in 0.0, though they seem more than happy to consolidate their newfound space and emboldened by their victory against PL and DRF elements last month. ROL has seen significant progress in their northern guerrilla deployment, which has taken Tribute by surprise, and if history serves us well, the DRF is nearly unstoppable on its front lines and miserable at covering its flank.

The general consensus is that the DRF will only be seriously opposed once the supercapital nerf is implemented. Goonswarm will prepare for a long winter while the rest of nullsec will hide in NPC space. The only non-DRF/Goon presence in player-owned space will be renting from the DRF, which creates the potential for backdoor alliances and backstabbing. AAA will eventually return to Catch and possibly its previously-held borders, but ‘eventually’ could be a long while.

Better have those high-sec carebear alts ready.

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  1. ROL

    DRF has taken 1 single system in Catch..thats it.. how can that be called a victory???? The reason they move on is because its a damn loss.. they want someone to fight.. so they move on. This is not victory.. this shows how fail they really are.

    August 22, 2011 at 6:45 pm Reply
    1. Marcus_McTavish

      HED was the single most important system in Catch.
      Without cyno-jammers AAA cant stop the DRF from taking all the systems.
      So they are smart and planing on waiting untill the nerf, and will then attack with full force that has not falllen to DRF in defending catch.
      It reminds me of when the european power met with the united states on how to attempt to stop the german war machine as it conquered most of europe.

      August 22, 2011 at 7:07 pm Reply
      1. DRF member

        LOL yeah talks included Britain having to actually pay for support yay go allies but when japan attacked britian was there in a second.

        Propoganda FTW

        August 22, 2011 at 7:27 pm Reply
        1. Penny

          you mean kinda like you guys paying for PL against the NC?

          August 22, 2011 at 9:10 pm Reply
      2. Lykouleon

        HED is a very important system, but the single most important? No, far from it, not even close.

        The loss of HED will definitely be a strategic set-back for -A- but until GE- and the JZV constellation fall, -A- stil has an opportunity to turn this around.

        August 22, 2011 at 7:58 pm Reply
        1. just a guy

          GE- has fallen the only -a- fleet to turn up was a bomber fleet

          -a- basicly handed it to the drf

          as for the nerf i don't think it will help -a-

          on a side note it looks like the drf is hunting -a- towers in stain

          August 23, 2011 at 4:52 am Reply
  2. MindRanger

    Somebody is on drugs here :) Not sure if thats the author, or if sources are correct – rediculous just turned to hilarious :)

    August 22, 2011 at 7:00 pm Reply
    1. CnC

      Why risk 20 Super Capitals, arguably a healthy amount for an up and coming alliance, when you know that at a whim… the guy you are attacking can reposition 100+ Super Capitals from 5-regions over and destroy your alliance's ability to wage Sovereignty warfare? Or maybe they spend 1-2 months worth of moon-goo (or renter) profits and hire the same amount of Capitals to deal with the nuisance?

      Current game mechanics support a single rich overpowering entity, with the will and means to fight, to rule over just about everyone else. The will to fight is the key part here, as was evident with the Northern Coalition's demise. Every time CCP has come forward with the goal of reducing blobs and reducing the ability for empires to expand exponentially, they've only made the problem worse.

      It will be very interesting to see if the Nullsec climate influences the game mechanics CCP is implementing for this winter, and how much of a push they are willing to give to make Nullsec vibrant again.

      August 22, 2011 at 8:01 pm Reply
      1. Marcus_McTavish

        Do what the goons do.
        Attack random systems with fleets of hurricanes.
        Attack deep in their space with no hope of survival and force thier fleets to draw back to deal with you.
        Attack their renters and pets cause as much damage as possible.
        Start a new MAX campaign

        August 22, 2011 at 9:23 pm Reply
  3. Maid

    So basically, -A- and friends pussied out?

    while continuing to chest beat how they are winning the war?

    AAA diplo:

    We are not fleeing, it's called a quick tactical withdrawal

    August 22, 2011 at 7:01 pm Reply
    1. AAA Grunt

      INIT, IT and PL also won the war thanks to NOT having clowns like you in AAA who would of lost our supercap fleet in a suicidal gesture on day one.

      August 22, 2011 at 7:35 pm Reply
    2. Carlos

      everybody knows that Stain did everything and AAA just polished left overs at the end.
      They are bad at everything besides betraying and leaving their allies behind. XD

      August 22, 2011 at 7:48 pm Reply
  4. actionist

    RA in Delve? WTF?

    August 22, 2011 at 7:05 pm Reply
    1. lol

      because its a lie?

      August 22, 2011 at 8:54 pm Reply
      1. CnC

        Only Evoke, ncDOT, and to a lesser extent a few Pandemic Legion rejects have been flying around Delve besides the usual inhabitants.

        But alas, no sighting of the DRF or their smaller pets besides those already mentioned above.

        Test SBU'd some MM systems though, then forgot they did when MM returned the favor and along with goons started some odd sort of campaign of fail in Delve. Curious to see how that's going to go. Clusterfuck coalition FTW I guess?

        August 22, 2011 at 9:23 pm Reply
        1. meh

          judging by their usual stuff, the SBUs were probably dropped by someone really bored, rather than the military directorate for the CF.

          They've yet to roll out their actual alphafleet. Just throwing suicide fleets around for lulz apparently

          August 23, 2011 at 12:20 am Reply
  5. wtf

    Actually this shows how slow to react and rebalance CCP is.

    August 22, 2011 at 7:05 pm Reply
    1. CnC

      I wonder exactly how many entities are in game sitting around waiting for this winter expansion?

      The more I hear from friends around EVE, the more I am coming to the belief that nullsec players and their respective alliances have thrown in the towel until Winter… especially those that might oppose the DRF and/or Goons but have no desire to in the current game-mechanics climate.

      I have a suspicion come January, we'll either be seeing the biggest land rush EVE has seen in quite some time, or we'll be seeing one of the largest exodus's from EVE that this game has ever seen.

      August 22, 2011 at 7:53 pm Reply
      1. Tan


        Does this mean that the North, East and South will be one giant blue ball?

        With noone else to fight then they'll either have to fight each other or loose all their pvp pilots

        August 22, 2011 at 8:37 pm Reply
        1. CnC

          Can you imagine the horrible sound the servers would make as they grind to a halt before catching on fire and burning to the ground if the only two entities in the game were the Goons and DRF, and they both blobbed the same system?

          It's not the PvPers that switch alliances that has anyone concerned, its the PvPers who leave EVE and the game is that much less without them…

          August 22, 2011 at 9:14 pm Reply
          1. Optimist

            CCP has always the option of baning everyone in DRF. The only people to protest would be the DRF, and who cares what they think :)

            August 23, 2011 at 1:24 pm
          2. paost

            or a Jovian invasion

            August 24, 2011 at 8:09 am
      2. MindRanger

        There is no waiting around, not on our end anyway. We fight with what we have, and make the best out of it. Supers or not, game on!

        August 22, 2011 at 8:46 pm Reply
        1. CnC

          Those are easy words to say when you are standing behind a line of Super Caps that outnumber the average fleet size of most competent alliances on any given weekend.

          Just saying.

          August 22, 2011 at 9:16 pm Reply
          1. MindRanger

            Now what?

            I'm on the receiving end of supercap/titans pain… ROL member ftw…

            August 22, 2011 at 10:39 pm
          2. CnC

            Well then, to you who are about to get steamrolled (unless you sell-out of course), I salute you… o7

            Good luck in Tribute!

            August 23, 2011 at 12:32 am
      3. Sg Goonslap

        having fought in NC through the entirety of the Gem Vale Trib invasions and been in most fleet ops since the invasion and withdrawal from LXQ I would have to generally agree with this. It's become obvious to everyone that the only people who can win this game are those who bot RMT and otherwise exploit outside the games built in mechanics, i.e. DRF. You can thank CCP for this, allowing real money into a game is certain to screw over the natural balance of built in mechanics and ruin the game for many people over the long term and eventually the game itself. I'm not sure how much more glaringly obvious it has to be at this point. But atleast, now, CCP finally recognizes this and see DRF has gotten so far out of hand that even CCP are telling them to 'fuck off' with the supercap nerfs. Is everyone waiting for the nerfs ? You bet your ass they are. Payback time's a'comin.

        August 22, 2011 at 10:48 pm Reply
        1. Buggrit

          Wrong. Bad CCP design is what allows this. The RMT is a result of other things; the current power that it brings, though, is CCP's fail.

          What, you think there weren't bots and bugs and abuse all over the place before? Getting shitloads of ships will help lots, but you can only have so many on the field.

          If SCs and Carriers were balanced, they could have money coming out their ass and their BS and T2 and T3 fit with officer stuff, but an extra 50% – 100% in number would compensate.

          Against SCs numbers and ability are only good to avoid whelpings.

          August 23, 2011 at 11:34 am Reply
  6. Eirene

    And the Evenews24 propaganda article-hammer strikes again. As laughable as Foxnews and less competent.
    Any News in this article? Just opinions and the boring "the DRF will dominate 0.0". The southern domination count? Half a dozen systems?

    August 22, 2011 at 7:08 pm Reply
  7. N4lessi

    im saddened to see what happened to 0.0
    NC had the best opportunity to beat this but failed
    turned out that the south invasion wasnt for goodfites :(
    "winter is coming" lets hope ccp realizes this as well

    August 22, 2011 at 7:13 pm Reply
    1. SG Goonslap

      NC had every chance of beating this, sadly some meta gaming alliance looking for cheap thrills decided to throw in with DRF. Proud of yourselves PL ? You should be you've made quite a name for yourselves with Eve by what you accomplished here, such fame won't easily fade.

      August 22, 2011 at 11:06 pm Reply
  8. Anonymous

    This -A- battleplan was formulated long before DRF decided to come to the south.

    A quick chess player isn't always the best

    August 22, 2011 at 7:16 pm Reply
    1. PL Winner

      and one that doesnt adapt his plan on an unforseen move loses.

      August 23, 2011 at 1:48 am Reply
  9. Bold Fortune

    Nullsec won't be free again until May 15, 2012.

    August 22, 2011 at 7:18 pm Reply
  10. Iwasthere

    the age of the Men is over, the time of the Orc has come

    August 22, 2011 at 7:20 pm Reply
    1. anatlasgoon

      That's racist.

      August 22, 2011 at 10:51 pm Reply
      1. haha

        yet it made me laugh

        August 22, 2011 at 11:49 pm Reply
    2. Frodo the BOBit

      'The old world will burn in the fires of industry. Forests will fall. A new order will rise. We will drive the machinery of war with the titans and the supercarriers and the iron fist of the bots'

      August 23, 2011 at 5:10 am Reply
    3. khorne flakes


      August 23, 2011 at 10:03 am Reply
  11. Stain Empire

    Hate to say it but I smell a deal has been cut by our brass to help end AAA. Our ships and space are immune to DRF all of a sudden. What a sad state of affairs :(

    August 22, 2011 at 7:39 pm Reply
    1. stoicspoon

      DRF needed even more help, apparently.

      I think it's getting sad at this point.

      August 23, 2011 at 2:26 am Reply
  12. Welcome chineese server, all 0.0 blue

    August 22, 2011 at 7:43 pm Reply
  13. droljica

    "The general consensus is that the DRF will only be seriously opposed once the supercapital nerf is implemented"

    This may be the truth….unless DRFforces change their arrogant "wehaveSCfuALL" doctrine into "wee need moar corps like urs" winn doctrine. Induglence, few small favors and a good plaed lies will save then from allmightycccpgeymoronsscnerfbut

    August 22, 2011 at 7:43 pm Reply
    1. anatlasgoon

      So what you're saying is, unless the DRF makes a horrible mistake, I'm correct?

      Okay, sure. I guess I agree.

      August 23, 2011 at 8:38 am Reply
  14. Carlos

    Once again hide in Stain. Get stain empire to do all the hard work for you. Then AAA mops left overs, takes credit and claims victory. Sad, very sad.

    August 22, 2011 at 7:52 pm Reply
    1. correction

      AAA and friends are neutral with Stain Empire. Your comment shows you're poorly informed.

      August 22, 2011 at 8:15 pm Reply
      1. lol

        not anymore

        August 22, 2011 at 8:35 pm Reply
  15. eve pilot

    goons are no wildcard. Mittani has an NIP agreement with russians. They wont attack each other. You already saw this in Tribute where Goons did not touch the RFed CSAA Rol was shooting.

    Literally all 0.0 Space will be DRF soon. They will be the first Coalition which dominates all of 0.0 due to their unstoppable Titan – force.

    August 22, 2011 at 7:54 pm Reply
    1. lol

      yep guess they dont have the balls to fight take on all the drf only the smaller ones

      August 22, 2011 at 8:56 pm Reply
    2. Sg Goonslap

      And this accomplished Only through game exploits via botting, RMT'ing. Yes very impressive. Why do you think DRF is interested in taking all of 0.0 ? What motives do you think are behind it ? You really think they are just having fun and good fights ? Lets consider a bunch of unemployed russians, maybe mafia who knows, find they have access to a means of making alot of money, something very hard to get in Russian these days. Put the rest together for yourself its not Rocket Science level 5. THAT is what your dealing with as PLAYERS, sad isn't it ? CPP will have to deal with this because the players base isn't going to be able to. CCP invited the russian mofia into this shit with plex and RMT so they will have to take measure to boot the scumbags out. Supercap nerf ? okay make sure its a heavy blow to the head if your going to make the players clean up your fucked up mess. make no mistake this shit is alot deeper than you realise.

      August 22, 2011 at 11:01 pm Reply
      1. Easy

        Nice movie, want to see the 2nd part.

        Zombinazibadextarterrestials ftw.

        And do you really believe in all this propaganda?

        August 23, 2011 at 12:24 pm Reply
    3. Kratisto

      Everyone Hatin' on the goons. Come save us goons, if you dont eve 0.0 is fucked, goons! Well guess what; where the fuck were you guys when deklein was under siege? o ya thats right chillin in the south. Deklein is ready for round 2; sorry that you proved insufficient in your round 1.

      P.S. Goons wont fight Red alliance, or xXDeathXx, but white noise, raiden, PL, ncdot, ejoke, aka v(ag)enal coalition, theyre all fair game. and come the supers nerf, the proven strongest subcapital force will lash out at it foes with great vengeance and furious anger.

      August 23, 2011 at 3:04 pm Reply
      1. Wonder

        Big talk for a alliance struggling with IRC

        August 23, 2011 at 5:38 pm Reply
        1. Kratisto

          oh right i forgot to mention IRC. because thats about how serious a threat they are. 100 shitfit battleships with shit logi support and bad FCs granted, will make a difference, and will also kill hurricanes with minimal logi support, but against any serious alphafleet you must count their numbers as about .4x of whatever they bring

          August 23, 2011 at 6:19 pm Reply
  16. "It is expected that an alliance-wide order to evacuate Querious will go out to AtlasDOT following a meeting on Tuesday, though most corps have seen the writing on the wall and have either moved assets or are in the process of doing so".

    I thought we already gave that order, like 3 weeks ago.

    August 22, 2011 at 7:58 pm Reply
    1. anatlasgoon

      "…though most corps have seen the writing on the wall and have either moved assets or are in the process of doing so. "


      August 22, 2011 at 10:55 pm Reply
      1. I did, but seeing as leadership told everyone to move their stuff out 3 weeks ago, i deemed the part you quoted to be redundant.


        August 24, 2011 at 5:52 am Reply
  17. BC.

    AAA is doing the right thing.there is no reason for them to just throw away ships.Save em till we see what winter brings.AAA and clusterfuck need to set aside their differences until the DRF is delt with. not to mention MM and brick could be more helpful if they can get the chip off their shoulder,but they are still to but hurt,and blame everyone else for their failure.

    August 22, 2011 at 8:01 pm Reply
    1. DRF Minion

      I don't seen chip on should of Brick and MM in public posting. Look to me like rest of eve that always talk about NC shits whenever topic of MM come up. I don like MM, but give them respect more then most other peeple because they not always talking shits of others.

      August 22, 2011 at 8:33 pm Reply
    2. Afr1can

      lolz as a Brix I am only burt hurt that we aint fighting already, As I see it Evoke/Ewoks and Polaris Syndicate are blowing sh1t up and taken a few systems.

      If it remains like this great as I am enjoying the fights, but if the SC-Blitz and the rest turn up phuck it, Game over as I aint moving again.

      My alt account I have stopped and main account will wait and see.

      On you CCP hope your reading the forums.

      August 22, 2011 at 9:58 pm Reply
  18. rcs619

    Gotta admit, things are shaping up for winter to be interesting.

    The way I see it, the whole "Let's wait until winter" strategy can end up leading to one of two results:

    1: The super-cap nerf was not severe enough, and the wait and see tactics have given the DRF time to bulk up, buy more ships and fortify their holdings. Alliances will have to fight them, and fight their super-caps, or get completely snuffed out.

    2: The rest of null is emboldened by the super-cap nerf, and we see a massive coalition of null-sec entities all fighting against a single enemy. Basically, the DRF vs the rest of null-sec. Should be one hell of a show. (Personally, Im hoping for this one)

    Also, am I the only one who finds it ironic that the "Fall back and wait for winter to set in" tactic is being used AGAINST Russians for a change? lol

    August 22, 2011 at 8:45 pm Reply
    1. lemming

      the whole "lets wait till winter " thing could also be due to the " omfg not another fucking pos bash" burnout factor thats washed through the clusterfuck and their allies

      August 22, 2011 at 9:14 pm Reply
      1. rcs619

        That's likely one reason. I mean, the reason I quit EVE again was the constant sov-warfare. I despise lag-fights. Give me small/medium fleet actions any day of the week.

        Waiting until winter would let people recooerate isk and the will to fight. That super-cap rebalance is going to be a big deal for morale though. One of the main intimidation factors the DRF and allies have is their abilitiy to field supercarriers and titans like they were battleships. Unless multiple coalitions gang up to fight them, they can reliably bank on being able to bring more supers to a fight than the other guy.

        If the winter update actually has a serious effect on super-caps, I could see that as a nice boost to non-DRF morale. Personally, I'd love to see that happen. What the DRF has accomplished is impressive, but null needs a massive shake-up and soon. There are only 3 real political powers left in null, and that needs to change or things will stagnate.

        August 22, 2011 at 10:10 pm Reply
        1. Qwerty4812

          DRF reminds me of BoB… just with a helluva lot more super capitals…. which is why DEFEND THEM CYNOJAMMERS

          August 22, 2011 at 11:29 pm Reply
          1. rcs619

            Well, to be fair, Raiden is basically the competant parts of BoB/IT that broke off and formed their own group. A chunk of the DRF's super-capitals were BoB super-capitals.

            The main issue, isn't even super-capitals anymore. Its that they are just so massive. Red, White Noise, XxxXXxxXDeathXXxxxXXxX, Solar, Raiden, NC. and EvOke are all large and/or damn good alliances. Any of them alone would be tough opponents. Its probably the meanest super-coalition I've ever seen in EVE. They were second only in size to the NC, but much more organized and mean.

            It isn't hard to kill a jammer…and that's all it takes. That jammer goes down and the supers roll in to take over. Its going to take another super-coalition to even stand a chance. I think its going to take the Clusterfuck and the -A- Team working together (or at least attacking at the same time) to have a shot. I mean, they really are the only 2 huge political powers left in 0.0 at this point.

            August 23, 2011 at 3:26 am
          2. Pacolipse

            Take evoke off that list and i agree with you. Evoke Blows

            August 23, 2011 at 10:08 am
        2. StevieTopSiders

          Keep in mind that waiting until winter also gives DRF time to train into and build Titans. You can be assured that every half-competent shoer arrows pilot is training for a tit as we speak.

          August 23, 2011 at 5:31 am Reply
          1. StevieTopSiders

            Ohgod iPod. That should be super carrier pilot.

            August 23, 2011 at 5:33 am
    2. Irony

      Lol, at the Russian Winter bit

      August 22, 2011 at 11:14 pm Reply
    3. Optimist

      Who will stay with DRF once they control everything and nobody wants to fight them? Except for the few industrious leaders holding trillions of ISK in their hands, DRF won't have anything left to offer to anyone.

      They'll land on the ash heap of history like all the other so called "overlords". Only the fittest will survive.

      August 23, 2011 at 12:48 pm Reply
  19. TheOtherPlayer

    Admiral Yasen Hui reporting!

    So the -A- basically was disbanding their fleets at the times of atacks on HED system, and was explaining it on the forums by the stupid idea of "we dont want our fleet to be killed against a sc wall".
    Why this idea is retarded? It is so, b/c when -A- atacked DRF during the 3d Northern war (i think this is the best name for it, no?) it should have expected a mass atack, and hence prepare it super cap fleet. In fact, they did, as seen in mass death of RA fleet (when RA tryed to atack a 600 man strong fleet with 300 man strong fleet with some sc support). No additional (overhelming, I WIN button) sc was provided by other DRF members, and the sc were used by -A-.
    So why is the idea retarted? It is b/c even against a reletevly small RA fleet, with sc online -A- wouldn't use them as a decisive weapon. This is b/c for some reason people in eve think that sc/caps/fleets bs are some sort of holy/magic items that cant be used in war.
    The reason why DRF has won so far is b/c no matter the ship type it is, well a pixilated means of war. Hence even with supercap nerf they will still win. Why? B/c they will use mass bs fleets in direct atacks, and will have enough morale to lose them whatever ammount of times needed to win.

    August 22, 2011 at 9:02 pm Reply
    1. wtf

      they use them because the next hour from their destruction are back in game via RMT. It would be nice if we had statistics for bots banning and region. But i am sure CCP wouldnt show such numbers.

      August 22, 2011 at 9:56 pm Reply
    2. PL Winner

      actually its more because they spend quite a good amount of time to learn game mechanics, maybe not as much as PL, but they know what their doing.

      When DRF started fielding super capitals in masses it was because they where sure to have the numbers right to win. DRF, like PL, will not field suicide fleets or do what you suggest 'lose whatever amount of times needed to win' – if you check the numbers, for example for the third norther war, you will realize that they win because they lose less.

      However it is one thing to 'not lose' by not fighting, and another to 'not lose' by knowing what one does.

      August 23, 2011 at 1:47 am Reply
      1. timmy

        game mechanics? wtf, doesnt take a genius to know that if u field an Avatar with Slave implants and deadspace mods. it jst wont die. while him and his buddies start popping of BS like nothing especially if u superblob it. also SC can field 20 fighter bombers. so that basically 20 guys u kill one shot. but since u can only target so many and lock time is maybe 40secs with SeBos. then u can kill, what? 4, 5, 6 guys b4 u need to lock a new target?

        August 28, 2011 at 12:55 pm Reply
    3. lol

      you must be a fucking glue sniffer or ate some lead paint chips… the drf doesnt have "just some sc support" i have seen the pussies drop 30+ supers on a bomber gang.

      August 24, 2011 at 1:21 am Reply
    4. timmy

      no. there BS fleets blow balls. only when they hav PL, NC., and sad to say but even EVOKE do there BS fleets even hav a hope to win. other than that they win only because if SC and TITANS, dont forget to put TITANS in. why? because when those r the real supers the use to win. one bs getting nailed by a single capital gun is dead in 2 hits. 1st from the insane bonus they get to damage amount. 2nd they don't hav the same penalties of tracking as Dreads do. so ur basically getting hit. especially in lagfest.

      August 28, 2011 at 12:50 pm Reply
  20. ObserveR

    There are some great ideas in these comments on how to LOSE to the DRF.

    1. CCP will save us with a nerf to turn supercarriers into giant rifters…….keep dreaming.
    2. Let the DRF pick the battlefields……pure defense in Eve is pure fail.
    3. just about any idea from the above comments can go here.

    You lost the moment many years ago that the rest of Eve let the Russians control the drone regions.
    You lost the moment the Goons moved into your space and you trusted them.
    You lost the moment you decided you could not afford to lose the ship and flew away.
    THE NUMBER ONE "YOU LOST" moment………………..

    You lost the moment you decided drakes were good fleet pvp ships.

    August 22, 2011 at 9:11 pm Reply
    1. Howaboutit

      Maybe so but the game population is 38 percent Americans, not sure the percent of Europe, and 9 percent Russian, not counting those that are Russian Pets, the rest are only gonna last so long in High Sec before they leave the game, so yeah maybe lose to the DRF but the game loses the most as everyone goes to play the new Star Wars.

      August 23, 2011 at 3:34 am Reply
      1. drf memer

        we might be called drf but we have eu, us, au players as well.

        August 23, 2011 at 5:14 am Reply
    2. rcs619

      Yeah, I really doubt the super-carrier nerf is going to make all that much of a real difference. Now, it could make a psychological difference. Like the whole "The DRF is a real-life business" propaganda, a super-carrier nerf could at least get some more people motivated to fight.

      But yeah, just sitting still till winter (at least in my opinion) is a bad strategy. It just gives the DRF more time to get ready. …and now they have the tech moons shitting out isk on top of the income from the dronelands and renters.

      Its alreadly been proven pretty conclusively that just about no one can reliably butt heads with the DRF in sov-warfare. They have too much money, too many ships, and a lot better organization. Honestly, the best way to go at them would be to come sideways at them. They can only commit the blob to one or two systems at a time. Harrass, burn, attack the flanks and renters. Do everything except get into a direct shooting war with the most powerful navy in New Eden.

      That would take balls though. You'd have to be able to make the choice to abandon a frontal war, and committ to the harassment and flanking attacks. I don't think many alliance leaders are willing to do that.

      August 23, 2011 at 5:00 am Reply
  21. Shadow Wind

    Winter is coming.

    August 22, 2011 at 9:50 pm Reply
  22. Crazy stuff

    This is so funny actually that 1 entity will be controlling almost all conquerable nullsec. I'd quit eve if i was an average pvp grunt in the drf massive blue list.

    August 22, 2011 at 9:51 pm Reply
  23. LAWL

    Love the idiots posting on this article. It makes me laugh.

    August 22, 2011 at 9:54 pm Reply
    1. Howaboutit

      Nice post,……on this article

      August 23, 2011 at 3:38 am Reply
    2. idiot

      yea way to go idiot, you made ME laugh now…was that your plan?

      August 23, 2011 at 3:04 pm Reply
  24. anatlasgoon

    All I want for Christmas is a blob nerf.

    August 22, 2011 at 10:04 pm Reply
  25. All in time

    I think waiting for someone else to solve your problems for you is fail.
    I think WAITING until winter to fight Russians is fail (See: Napoleon and Hitler)

    I think what is really needed is a change in tactics by most of 0.0 Inaction is suicide at this point.
    First of all it's obvious that Eve is on the verge of being a "1 team rules all" game. The rest of Eve needs to unite now and bring down this beast and hope it's not already too late. Second we must remember the teachings of Sun Tzu, in the Art of war. "He who defends everywhere, defends nowhere" You must use the enemies own size and tactics against them.

    A Tet offensive is needed.
    Attack everywhere at the same time. Small groups fucking everything up, everywhere.
    This will
    A. Make logistics for the defender impossible.
    B.Make super blobs useless. (Blob to save 1 system while 30 others are being invaded?)
    C. Let all the pvp hungry players do what they love, go ape shit in enemy space.
    D. Give you a chance to enact revenge on the botters, by pillaging all there botting grounds.
    E. Severely punish any over extended aggression by your enemy. (your fleets in the south, well that gives us 1+ hour to run a rampage through the north!)

    Be relentless, be bold, be organized, be winners!
    Take control of your fate and stop whining about unfairness. If they are going to rule all of eve I say make them earn it. Why fade away? Go out with the war to end all wars.

    August 23, 2011 at 1:32 am Reply
    1. Kratisto

      lol. WOLFPACKS! wolf packs will win the game. No. youre bad actually. While the dual front business might gain some traction, that requires one side to successfully defend. Good stuff so far -A-; not. DRF attacks NC, -a- attacks DRF; NC falls DRF loses space. then turns around and gets their fucking space back; meanwhile the old NC has peace'd out to delve. Great plan.

      Wolfpacks dont work because the defenders can time their shit to get out consecutively 20min one system after another, and all they need is cynos to be in system. Capfleet far more mobile than a regular fleet. Try some critical thinking before you post.

      IT decided wolfpacks was a great idea. they got fuckin owned. NC was a rotted out set of players, they could not fight. If MM/co had been half as tenacious as clusterfuck (300 people for a fleet) Trib would not have been lost. but they couldnt even muster more than 80. game over.

      August 23, 2011 at 6:07 pm Reply
      1. timmy

        well ur thnking of only 2 fronts. DRF space is from Tenal down to cobalt edge. pretty sure u get som alliance out and "kite" the poses, u would get a more favorable time. so the wolfpack idea is not a bad plan. jst needs good execution.

        August 28, 2011 at 12:44 pm Reply
  26. PL Winner

    "ROL has seen significant progress in their northern guerrilla deployment, which has taken Tribute by surprise, and if history serves us well, the DRF is nearly unstoppable on its front lines and miserable at covering its flank."

    ROL has seen what? they have taken what? uhm, Tribute is still in the hands of NC.,
    when they attacked POSes in Black Rise they good a bloody nose when those got out of reinforcement,
    im not sure about the NC. CSAA they had in reinforced, but even if they have managed to actually kill that – NC. is not DRF.

    August 23, 2011 at 1:40 am Reply
    1. stoicspoon

      Lol… NCdot is not in the DRF bloc?

      They might someday do a reset but for the entire war with the NC and continuing into the war with AAA they have all worked as one bloc.

      August 23, 2011 at 2:31 am Reply
    2. CnC

      NCdot is a DRF pet… I know it… you know it… everyone knows it.

      What's the point in even trying to argue differently? Their masters call and they go running. When they aren't lapping it up doing the DRF's bidding, they're off carebearing in Tribute. At least they chose an appropriate name to name their alliance, as they've managed to become everything they thought to mock.

      August 23, 2011 at 5:04 am Reply
  27. i hate DRF

    DRF and friends are the power house in eve universe atm, and like a snowball, they will keep grow bigger and stronger until it controls most of 0.0 space in eve. the solution? creating a new coalition with all the alliance that hate "DRF and friends" and stop them before it will be too late.

    August 23, 2011 at 1:57 am Reply
    1. drf member

      the tears of a -a- memer

      August 23, 2011 at 5:15 am Reply
    2. timmy

      they r the power house. but if u attack all their assets now. especially from the backdoor. pretty sure they will be hard pressed to save their shit and keep on the offensive

      August 28, 2011 at 12:39 pm Reply
  28. Common Sense

    Why are people so hung up on Supercaps? Take all your super caps and jump them into your main logistical system. Now, put up a cyno jammer. Defend it. Now you have super caps vs normal ships. Is that really so hard?

    Also, do you really think the Supercap nerf will be that great that suddenly the rest of nullsec will stand and fight the DRF and win? I've gone into cyno jammed systems of -A- with Abaddons and guardians and we've defeated them. 1400's easily kill a primary as opposed to their Mega Pulses.

    And will Supers really be all that different? The day after the nerf DRF will still have more Supers than anyone else. That faction fit Aeon logs in he'll still most likely have retarded resists, and EHP. If anything CCP will nerf Fighter Bomber damage, and call it a day.

    Now, call me crazy, but the more powerful ships you have, the better chance of victory you should have. Agreed? I know it makes sense, crazy right? Now look at the DRF, they have more of the most powerful ships in the whole game than anyone else. It makes sense that they own most of nullsec.

    Now go back in time and look at Britain. They colonized so many places, India, Canada, USA, Australia, some parts in Africa, etc etc. At the time they were the most powerful nation in the world. Are you people getting this? Do you understand?

    I know it sucks that DRF has more Supercaps, and I know it sucks that you can't beat them, and I know it's not fair. But if the world was fair; it's be one hell of a fucking boring place. Grow a pair, and deal with it. If you can think of a way to bring DRF down. By all means.

    August 23, 2011 at 3:27 am Reply
    1. lol

      cause the 20 drf fleets -A- and allies fucking whelped the shit out of worked so well against their poor pulses right?

      August 24, 2011 at 1:18 am Reply
  29. Allo

    Personally, I love the "Winter is coming" quote. Robbed straight from one of my favorite series of books.

    August 23, 2011 at 4:25 am Reply
  30. Romanian

    After checking Red Alliance killboards I wonder how they could manage being in Delve wihtout major kills and losses there!
    Maybe some kind of VodkaSphere ?

    August 23, 2011 at 6:47 am Reply
  31. Vanquisher

    It seems that everyone not in DRF is waiting for winter expansion. Well it looks that actualy good bit of various DRF block pilots also awaits it. The drop in combat performance of the many drf alliances is starting to be a concern even for their members. Simply more you depend on supercaps support weaker you are without them. To a point when you might not be able to go to a toiled without halfdozen of them on standby. Certainly one thing can be said that players hopes and expectations propably never in eve history were soo high. Question would be how high. Monoclegate already undermined playerbase trust in them. Failing this time might cripple eve.

    August 23, 2011 at 10:09 am Reply
  32. Sun Wukong

    Most of you Guys cant think around the Corner. I mean you Guys cried loud enough forcing CCP nerf the Supers. But did anybody have think about. The alternative?! If all Supers turn into Dreadnoughts. Or lets follow the Skilltree. What comes after a Mothership. YES! A Titan. Do you Guys feel more save to attack the DRFs Ground? I think not.

    What you Guys also forgot is. The Fact that the DRF just got pissed off by the NC and the NC had to Pay for that attack. Like -A- or Init. Its there own fault. And the have to pay the Price.

    The Nerf will bring changes. But remember this Coin have two sides.
    The Goons doing it right. Stay away if u cant beat them. Or its to heavy.

    And Tripple A. If you are not Man enough to stand inside the Fight or even give a shoot back. And ur retreat. We can say its tatical. For me its more like so Guerilla style. But withou honor.

    August 23, 2011 at 1:19 pm Reply
  33. Nync

    hello, yes i did spend 40,000$ and bought myself my supercap fleet of pilots and ships

    August 23, 2011 at 2:26 pm Reply
  34. Trololololol

    Burn burn burn, this ring of fire, this ring of fire…

    August 23, 2011 at 2:39 pm Reply
  35. PL/NCDOT

    its funny how PL and NCdot. boast about they "Doing their own thing" and "No Blues" yet they are, is, and for the forseeable future DRF puppets, grow some nuts. Its put up and shut up because big bad DRF might take away your CSAAs right? your ISK farm sov up north newly accuired under DRF management, or jsut TAX your SOV hard after they are done with the south( IEX ) . its pathetic you guys are now slaves. Goons put the hurt on you because you forgot how to fight without supers.. NCdot. you will and always be riding PL/DRF coattails, as much as you want to be like PL you wont, because youve lost what is means to think for yourself and do things for yourself you were good back when it was Tri i guess?. PL spiraling in the same direction. PL is where old vets goto die and quit hopin to stack enough isk to unload into RMT before they go. Raiden is jsut sad. Those guys will take a shot in the mouth from any russian cock if it will get them halfway across eve and somewhere to rat again and are basically under the same terms as the other puppet meatshield alliances DRF utilizes to push thier influence on EVE

    August 23, 2011 at 2:58 pm Reply
  36. SMILE

    of course DRF and Goons have a NIP, Mittani is holding his nuts right now knowing full well the force thats hitting -A- can very easily move up to deklien if he slips up so they go and shoot IRC? Sack up its jsut a game, shit in the grand scheme of things is this petty shit really going to matter in a few years, this world is going to be changing incredibly, think DRF owns EVE Online because CCP's incompetance is even going to be a fraction of importance? ITS A GAME PEOPLE shit you all seem to be more interested in this than realizing the lies governments have been spoon feeding you since birth. like 9/11 was planned by the U.S to gain the publics support for the war in iraq/afganistan. but dont worry guys DRF is gonna own ALOT of pixels in the future. thats the big problem here

    August 23, 2011 at 3:25 pm Reply
  37. Kireiina

    Null-sec was decided when the NC imploded. They were the only group that in theory had the numbers and super-capitals to oppose the DRF (they didn't). And even that would have been borderline given the coalition they have assembled. Goons and -A- just don't have the power to win an offensive war even if they worked together (and thus there's also no reason for there to be a NIP).

    August 23, 2011 at 3:42 pm Reply
  38. All the time and effort to train Supers and they get Nerfed. But CCP once again bows to the cry cry cry..

    Yes, Supers are needed when Goons and friends have a batphone. We need to have force multipliers or there will be no way to counteract the numbers game. But this is the inevitable escalation of force.

    Anyway, I need some of my stuff in Querious anyway. So you guys abandon stations and wait I will just get all my leftover Faction mods out of there..

    Thanks Mkay!

    August 23, 2011 at 5:23 pm Reply
    1. timmy

      Do we need supers? yes. but when all u hav to field r supers to win then sumthin is wrong. bring back the Age of the Dreadnought, the Carriers, the BSs.

      August 28, 2011 at 12:37 pm Reply
  39. NO RA

    Change the bit about RA in delve. Only Evoke, Ewoks and other pets at the moment. No RED alliance

    August 23, 2011 at 7:31 pm Reply
  40. fu!!

    the DRF suck alone its only when they hire PL u gotta worry. unstoppable on their front lines lol it took them 3-4 months to take the vale from carebears and they only did that after hiring PL

    August 23, 2011 at 11:56 pm Reply
    1. lol

      because pls extra 50-60 supers are so boss that other drf 300+ supers cant do it along am i right?

      August 24, 2011 at 1:23 am Reply
  41. -A- Sucks

    -A- Doesnt have the numbers to win.They rely on Nulli/Cascade Etc to join there cta's and when they do theres like 30 -A- pilots and handfulls of nulli fail and others.-A- have not one good FC.Mak is a fuckin emo dick that primaries blues for accidently speaking on comms.The arrogance of these fucks is beyond me.Not to mention that the only counters to fleets they fight are brought by there allies.Only ships you need to know how to fly in -A- is a fuckin geddon.They deserve to lose there space.Just a shame the other alliances are blue to -a- and will lose theres as well…IMHO -a- need to just disband.When dotlan shows you have over 2k pilots and theres only 30 of you in fleet i think its time to call it a game and go back to hisec mining.

    The drf are winning because they have pilots willing to log in and fight.And allot of them.They deserve all of 0.0 just from a logistics veiwpoint alone.Not because of supers.Not because of blues.Not because of blobs.Because of a willingness to play.

    Fuck you -A- you bunch of lazy peices of shits.Disband and get it overwith you overgrown bunch of emo raging pussies.
    One more thing.Im in the fight.On -A-'s side but cannot bring myself to help someone not willing to help themselves.
    One more time.
    Fuck you -A-.
    Fuck YOU!

    August 24, 2011 at 1:11 am Reply
    1. haha

      that was 2 more times

      August 27, 2011 at 7:36 am Reply
    2. timmy

      well they do blob and they super size it. when ur moral is destroyed by that very thought its hrd for peeps to get on. also they play because the RMT business is good in RUSSIA

      August 28, 2011 at 12:34 pm Reply
  42. -A- Sucks

    -A- Doesnt have the numbers to win.They rely on Nulli/Cascade Etc to join there cta's and when they do theres like 30 -A- pilots and handfulls of nulli fail and others.-A- have not one good FC.Mak is a fuckin emo dick that primaries blues for accidently speaking on comms.The arrogance of these fucks is beyond me.Not to mention that the only counters to fleets they fight are brought by there allies.Only ships you need to know how to fly in -A- is a fuckin geddon.They deserve to lose there space.Just a shame the other alliances are blue to -a- and will lose theres as well…IMHO -a- need to just disband.When dotlan shows you have over 2k pilots and theres only 30 of you in fleet i think its time to call it a game and go back to hisec mining.

    August 24, 2011 at 1:12 am Reply
  43. Wonder


    August 23, 2011 at 5:42 pm Reply
  44. Kratisto

    you forgot the part about how 1 titan warps in, insta's the carrier, and the game proceeds

    or slightly more supers come on in with different damage types and lol/facerape.

    August 23, 2011 at 6:15 pm Reply

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