Yesterday our drop-box was steaming with intel leads about the recent “five-finger discount” on Solar Fleet’s arcs, the protagonist of the heist was Solar Dragons [SDG] player BigMaman, according to our intel he had been in charge of Solar Fleet’s assets for as long as five (5) years, several accounts reveal that BigMaman grew disenchanted with his long time leader MACTEP [SDG], when things reached a boiling point the player already had made his mind and took off the loot.

That’s a lot of money

BigMaman estimates the value of the assets he made off with accounted between 600 to 900 Billion isk, should it be the bigger sum he mentioned this would be the equivalent of +2400 PLEX licenses (200 years of play time) and $42,000 cold hard cash value.

Wait, there is more

But things doesn’t end there, yesterday we reported about an Avatar class titan which was downed by the selling party barely 15 minutes after selling it to their ill fated customer, apparently this character was an alt of the now insanely rich Solar Player.

the Scoop

While some have limited to simply link the leak to the original eve-ru thread, which has the SF forum leaks in jpeg snapshot form, we in EN24 decided to wait a bit more until our very own Red Orchestra properly translated the drama, so here it is:

Translated Drama


I forgot to mention 1 thing. I don’t like to be criticized, even if I’m wrong.

SDG -BigMaman

I don’t like when somebody is trying to shut me up, especially when there’s no need in that. Nobody criticized you or your opinion. I’m just expressing my opinion. I didn’t know that it’s not allowed. I can see you’ve got FGM already (basically everybody noticed that, but unfortunately nobody wants to say a word and prefer to sit on their asses). So this is SF forum – Alliance forum, not your personal page. We are talking with each other here. I’m tired of your display of power, tired from you deleting my posts, giving read only rights, blocking my account on forum. You thought I’m not going to react – you were wrong. This isn’t a first time. Somehow I didn’t give a flying fuck before, but now I’m sick of it and I won’t take it any longer. So I say Adios Amigo. But I couldn’t go with empty hands so I took some “compensation fee” with me. I’m not interested in ISK and Assests since I started to move Jita market, but for those 5+ years I spent in SDG I think this is fair compensation.

I could do worse and clean SF bank, but I play honestly and never violated EULA, so I took maximum of what was legal. I could kick corps, disband both alliances and drop claims – but it will have impact on others, people that I know and have good relationships. But problem is personal – and it’s only about you. Besides you can easily forget to pay sov bills on your own.

So “Good bye and thanks for all the fish”.


FYI – BPOs for Nyx and Leviathan that were stolen in autumn, aborted titan and mothership production and stolen Aeon were not done by me. So there will be more surprises coming up in future. You are where you are now only coz a lot of people supported you, so don’t treat them like shit. This will be a lesson for you.

Press conference:

U.M. Doufin – yesterday avatar (

SDG – BigMaman

Avatar was mine. It’s wasn’t sold to anybody. I had some minerals left that were hard to transport, didn’t want to sell them as well so I decided to build a titan using them.

Character was neutral but XIX knew that it was ours, but they killed it anyway and later pretended that they had no idea. After jump titan stuck in POS guns, I wanted to log him but then decided to jump again thinking that XIX will not shoot it, I was wrong.

2 hours after DT when XIX leadership logged in we had nice conversation and I got my 50 bil back.

Russo –x3tko

How much was the “compensation fee”

SDG – BigMaman

Hard to tell, depends how you are going to calculate. According to my calculation its 600-900+ bil. I don’t want to say exact numbers of titans/motherships.

This money will be spent on careless game play for next 5-6 years. I’ll join one of the neighboring alliances or corporations. Might as well start recruiting people for AT10, don’t have anything decided yet.

TFFN – Jrain

How big is your “compensation fee” in comparison with alliance income/outcome?

SDG – BigMaman

Not that big. SF bank has over trillion of ISK, in addition there are a lot of shared accounts with lot’s of
assets. So don’t worry, everything’s gonna be OK.


We thought somebody hacked accounts, but seems like I was wrong. I didn’t want this to go out of corp but…

Yes, this is a guy know to us as BigMaman. He used his roles and cleared SDG hangars, took ISK from
corp wallets (SDG\SDGA). Sad. I haven’t lost anything except time.

He took everything that corp/alliance were collecting for a long time. Let these assets bring him happiness, but I doubt they will. This is it, no more tears. We will recover loses.

Topic closed.


A few months ago Reliables Inc. player Trina Forrest ran-off with +290bil from Majesta Empire, he was a corpmate of mine. For what ever were his reasons, he ended up with a hefty amount of pocket change and new friends as he joined Pandemic Legion, today he happens to be an avid World of Warcraft player. I mention this because as it happened with Trina, many of the players who end up doing these incredibly big heists, gained access to the asset they run-off with through hard work, endless nights, in-game dedication and over all building an enduring friendship with other players, a friendship which was lost in Trina’s case, it was late when he realised that the only one that got truly stolen from everything was none other than him.

I say this because many players get in shock and awe for the amount of stolen assets by directors, this hardly affect the functioning of a working alliance, as Mactep put it they only “lost time”, just like in my Majesta Empire am pretty sure Solar Fleet is full of even richer players who have now contributed to keep the Alliance / Corporation going.

Original Eve-ru thread.

Follow up thread in eve-ru

Raw Intel:

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Solar Fleet drama

Not translating all that shit, but here is the skinny

1) BigMann, SDG CEO of 5 years, is leaving the alliance because he is fed up with Master’s (Mactep) authoritarian attitude that’s dismissive of the line members. BigMann is one of the co-founders of the alliance and is very respected by the members. Although he is not that well known even on eve-ru, he was one of SF’s core CEO’s who for many years carried things like logistics/organization/recruitment on his back.

2) BigMann took in the neighborhood of 600-900 billion in assets and cash from the corp. He could have done a lot more damage to the tune of dropping sov and taking the alliance wallet (note: they must be p rich O_o). He is taking with him an undisclosed number of SC’s and titans.

3) The Avatar that was downed a few days ago by Legion of xxDeathxx was BigMann’s. He built it as he had nothing else to do with the pile of minerals that he had at his disposal (a lot of it donated by line members). The xxLegion’s FC apparently knew whose titan it was, so BigMann didn’t expect the allies to pull a dick move like that. According to BigMann, the 50 bil for the titan have already been personally refunded by UAxxDeathxx.

4) He plans to spend the isk building a new corp/dicking around/assembling AT team. Not buying a Corolla as some of the members jokingly suggested.

5) Solar Fleet’s alliance wallet is around ~1 tril isk, plus a bunch of crap on alts. Again, he dint touch ally assets.


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“Solar Fleet, corporation SDG member BigMaman – leaving corporation and stole 800-900bil in assets.
The reason – a personal conflict with MACTEP(Solar Fleet leader)
link on ru caod



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  1. Grats

    This is funny, I would have done the same if I was him. Fucking scrubs killing his Avatar like that, what a bunch of terds.

    I like this guy.

    July 22, 2011 at 3:50 pm Reply
    1. Quin

      Intresting thing this is possible only in EVE, where developers so stupid and cannot make any security against this. Even in our time impossible to stole so many, because even in banks you can set up day limit and transaction limit, you have many passwords and you need to have approve signature from other company directors for transaction.
      And it really funny, after 500 years, or what year is it now in EVE, everyone so stupid and impossible to make simple defence against this type of crime and illegal transactions?!
      With simple security levels from 1990-s you more secured then in 2500 yea of EVEr.
      CCP – idiots.

      July 25, 2011 at 1:12 am Reply
      1. xxxx0xxxx


        July 25, 2011 at 1:59 am Reply
      2. emikochan13

        what…. this just happened in the real world and collapsed a shit-tonne of banks. Have you been under a rock for the last 3 years ?

        July 26, 2011 at 10:56 pm Reply
      3. Slartybartfast

        uh, dude, the lack of security controls in EVE is anything but accidental. Welcome to the sandbox?

        December 20, 2011 at 8:34 pm Reply
  2. derp



    July 22, 2011 at 4:20 pm Reply
  3. Lorren Canada

    MACTEP seems to have scary control over SF, I guess that's the Russian way.

    July 22, 2011 at 4:21 pm Reply
  4. ChaeDoc II

    Solar Fleeced

    July 22, 2011 at 4:45 pm Reply
    1. ohnoez

      HAHAHAHA! I hope that one sticks.

      July 23, 2011 at 12:49 am Reply
  5. herpderp

    " Topic closed " lol … do they bend spoons in Russia ?

    July 22, 2011 at 4:52 pm Reply
  6. Reignz

    So moar proof that no-one not even the RMT EMPIRE are immune from a good eve shafting. I would of refrained from saying RMT however, despite the assets and isk they are professed to be holding even after such a huge heist, they could well be "trickling" it out into the $ market.

    Also proves the DRF do not need branch , tenal and the rest so GTFO!

    July 22, 2011 at 4:52 pm Reply
    1. PL Winner

      if they where selling the isk, they wouldnt have 'em, so they couldnt be stolen.

      July 23, 2011 at 1:07 pm Reply
  7. Herp


    July 22, 2011 at 4:54 pm Reply
  8. MyTitanPloded

    Kharma is truly a bitch

    July 22, 2011 at 5:14 pm Reply
  9. AK-47's at high noon

    And people thought the western alliances got tense with their dramas and scandals.

    Once again, when it comes to crime or crimes of betrayal or both, even in eve online, nobody does it quite like the russians do.

    Don't cross the red bear.

    July 22, 2011 at 5:15 pm Reply
  10. Lyria

    900b? Well, no big deal, their bots will have this reimbursed in a week or two.

    July 22, 2011 at 5:33 pm Reply
    1. bringer'

      Russians botting? How dare you accuse them of such a disingenuous assertion!
      but really the guy will probably quit his job for a year after he sell the isk to iskbank.

      July 24, 2011 at 12:58 am Reply
  11. Calfis

    Protip Mactep,

    Leaders that can accept constructive criticism are usually the wise and great ones, one that don't like to be criticized even when wrong are tyrants and usually end up fucked because they think it is better to do shit wrong and shut people up rather than do shit the right way.

    July 22, 2011 at 6:00 pm Reply
  12. One Sided

    "I forgot to mention 1 thing. I don’t like to be criticized, even if I’m wrong."

    Gut the bastard.

    July 22, 2011 at 6:10 pm Reply
  13. EX-NC Fodder

    Comrade Big Maman, y u no steal in time to help BFFs?!?!

    July 22, 2011 at 6:17 pm Reply
  14. gary bell

    picture of hanger or it dident happen!!

    July 22, 2011 at 6:57 pm Reply
  15. commanderchris

    I like your Afterthoughts comment.

    More than anything, Eve is about organization, making friends and gaining their respect. Those bonds are more real than any virtual currency or super space ships… all of which will eventually turn to dust (no pun intended).

    Those who choose to throw their friends under the bus… ought to be pitied, more so than congratulated.

    July 22, 2011 at 7:12 pm Reply
  16. Revenant BPC
    July 22, 2011 at 7:17 pm Reply
  17. Death to DRF

    Solar Fleet botting will make up for that loss in no time

    July 22, 2011 at 7:20 pm Reply
  18. Goonies4TheLoose

    What Selfish pricks these people are. If they are like this in a game, what are they like in RL?

    July 22, 2011 at 8:31 pm Reply
  19. ill buy tde4-h off em

    July 22, 2011 at 10:51 pm Reply
  20. Caustic Castration

    wtb 100bil isk

    July 22, 2011 at 10:59 pm Reply
  21. Death Reactor

    hmm with that much isk who needs eve friends. you could buy enough vodka to last you weeks

    July 23, 2011 at 1:15 am Reply
  22. PL Winner

    i call shenanningans – he has no monocle.

    July 23, 2011 at 1:07 pm Reply
  23. Still don't care about the russians… Bout time they started falling apart.

    July 23, 2011 at 5:12 pm Reply
  24. Chilly willy

    Fucking nerd drama.

    July 24, 2011 at 11:37 am Reply
  25. […] Editor’s Note: The following post was made by none other than BigMaman, if you don’t know who he is we recommend reading this Eve News24 article. […]

    December 20, 2011 at 3:25 pm

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