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Less than 24 hours after the slaughter reported by Pandemic Legion’s fleet, Against All Authories [-A-], Red Overlord [ROL] and Cascade Imminent [FAIL] showed their legendary stamina by coming back and teaching Pandemic Legion a lesson.

The Drake Army led by non-other than Manfred Sideous himself tore apart a heavily boosted firewall/hellcat/triage carrier combo so successfully utilized previously by Pandemic Legion’s hordes. During the fight Pandemic Legion deperately tried to save abaddons remote repping them but, despite the presence of 5 triage carriers was unable to do so.


a Flamboyant Manfred Sideous oversees his mighty Drake Army.

It is unclear at this time what changes were implemented by the Drake Army but the results are unquestionable. Many were left wondering if Pandemic Legion were good tippers after all, because they surely have just been served.

More reports to come.

Pandemic Legion BattleReport

Cascade Imminent Summary

AAA BattleReport

95 Comments

  1. YesReally

    -A- are shit

    March 13, 2011 at 6:20 am Reply
    1. UareShit

      Confirning you are shit.

      March 13, 2011 at 8:48 am Reply
  2. charmander

    Confirmed -A- are the shit

    March 13, 2011 at 6:21 am Reply
  3. Lol Youmad

    Sounds like PL is bitter from the comments.

    March 13, 2011 at 6:24 am Reply
  4. Angrydefman

    Yep drake can do that if you know what to do with them. To all the idiots that say drake are fail against hellcats there are other examples of PL getting served by drake fleets.
    If you got the numbers you can do quite well.

    March 13, 2011 at 6:25 am Reply
    1. kamphamster

      Well technically, if you got numbers, you can defeat any fleet in any ship. At a point, pure maths will triump skill, tactics and all other factors. That isnt really a convincing argument for the superiority of a drakefleet though.

      March 13, 2011 at 9:30 pm Reply
      1. mymindisglowing

        Once again, when you bring isk into play, it suddenly gets a lot more convincing.

        Math isn't your strong suit in school, was it. What's funny is that you are proud of it.

        March 14, 2011 at 10:21 pm Reply
        1. Kamphamster

          Well it certainly seems like YOUR strong suit is personal attacks instead of discussing whats on the table. So be it.

          Your mind may be glowing, but very dimly indeed. Not so strange maybe, considering you have your head so far up your ass I am wondering if you can spot the daylight seeping in through your mouth.

          Winning the "Isk war" would have been relevant if either PL or AAA & friends was unable to replace losses. Now it certainly doenst look like this is happening does it? Your argument will not be any better by repetition. The ISK war is used by AAA and frineds as a moral booster. I dont blame them, they have to motivate their members to keep fighting somehow. I would have done the same in their shoes. If this goes on for another 2 months, we can dicuss the relevance. But objectively and at this point in the conflict, the isk-war argument is bullshit.

          March 16, 2011 at 11:13 pm Reply
    2. Gerard

      Drakes didn't win that fight, bombers did.

      March 14, 2011 at 6:05 am Reply
  5. Random -A- Guy

    Confirming we are shit, but when you're shit you take the victories when they come

    March 13, 2011 at 6:28 am Reply
  6. peep

    Why only when PL wins it's a full detailed report and when PL loses, it's only 3 rows ?

    March 13, 2011 at 7:04 am Reply
    1. Getta Grip

      Because Ray Butts doesn't write defeat reports. Want a better article. Be there & write it yourself

      March 13, 2011 at 7:12 am Reply
    2. heh

      This site is all about propaganda for a few alliances, so when they lose you get 2-3 paragraphs about how surprised they are they lost, and when they win it's 6 + paragraphs of chest beating about how leet they are, and how foolish thier opponents were, this is nothing new really.

      March 13, 2011 at 7:33 am Reply
      1. Che Guevara

        Funny enough, this article was written by the winning side.

        March 13, 2011 at 11:02 am Reply
    3. Derp

      Because only PL kids have the time (and think its important enough) to write a 2 page BR about every 2Bil ISK win they have.

      Trust me you will start seeing PL has GLORIOUS victory and kills -A- rifter, BReports soon enough

      March 13, 2011 at 8:37 am Reply
      1. BntyHunter

        Actually Manny could drop a detailed BR if he wanted to.

        Also when they lose its usually just being hugely blobbed by most there enemies so whats to brag?

        IMO fighting 2x outnumbered and murdering there fleet is brag worthy but not outnumbering them by 4x and winning…But I say bring on the BR`s

        March 13, 2011 at 11:04 am Reply
        1. Typicaltrololol

          Think is -A- & Co have to blob by 4x the numbers because as soon as PL starts to lose they drop SC's/Titians so if they don't have those extra numbers to act as a deteriorate for them dropping SC's they'll just die.

          March 13, 2011 at 1:22 pm Reply
          1. kamphamster

            As if -A- wouldnt outnumber PL in supercaps if they wanted to.

            March 13, 2011 at 3:33 pm
          2. BntyHunter

            Yeah man AAA and ROL etc has 4x as many Supers, Plus they own this area way more than PL, If it went over Intel PL had SC fleet you would have …

            TEST
            GSF
            All of DEK
            AAA
            ROL/Stainwagon
            Atlas and Khanid etc

            So this is crazy, the real reason is they dont have enough skilled [Not Talanted but EXP]
            to fight them in anything less than 4x, otherwise they would.

            Also you realize a 4x of SubCaps isnt a Deterrent for Supers right?
            They need the SC`s because of AAA numbers, but in reality I bet PL would love just 2 to 1 odds with only subcaps.

            But so far PL has won every battle except 1 or 2 usig only Subcaps so why would they need to Drop AAA+Khanid unless it turned into 6 to 1 etc.

            In the End with Cascade+AAA+ROL+everyone else they outnumber PL in every catagorey by alot.

            I dont get why I got thumbs down for asking for a solid battle report …Lol alot of sensative A Guys here I guess.

            I wanted to read a BR who wasnt Elise, as much as I like him, I want to hear a different opinion.

            March 13, 2011 at 11:07 pm
          3. anon

            You are obviously just buying the EVENEWS24 propaganda, and not involved in the conflict.

            Check these facts:
            Average sp per player, A-team = 25 mil, PL 70mil
            PL = the most elite team eve has seen, A-Team….well…trying hard.
            PL = Huge war chest and monthly income, A-Team, broke…ish.
            PL, 120 SC's staged and ready to drop, A-Team maybe 60 combat ready, and scattered.
            PL has a huge propaganda machine.
            PL has a vast spy network (admittedly gimped lately)
            This being said:
            A -Team has won many battles.
            A-Team continues to hold it's space.
            A-Team continues to bring the fight.

            Dont just buy the propaganda, do the research, get involved, or stfu.

            March 14, 2011 at 2:14 pm
          4. kamphamster

            "PL, 120 supercarriers staged and ready to drop" Riiiight.

            Take a look here: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Pandemic_Legio

            Okay, you've got a 1500 strong alliance of experienced players. Beeing experienced, I think its safe to assume that the average number of characters each player has in PL is at least 2, maybe 3 on average. So the guestimate is that the alliance is say 5-600 strong in REAL players. And you claim, that 120 of these fly supercarriers. In addition to a rather big number in titans of course.

            On the other hand you have -A-, ROL, Atlas, Cascade Imminent etc, with a combined strenght of over 7000 not including pets…. mustering a mere 60 SCs. No sorry pal, I dont buy it. If anyone spews out false propaganda, its you.

            March 14, 2011 at 3:09 pm
          5. BntyHunter

            You are the one buying propaganda. I dont get my info from Eve24, I get it from both sides of the isle, But It does sound like the only thing you have ever heard was your FC`s screaming How Noobish PL are lol.

            Your facts are crap
            120 SC`s…Lol
            PL is really only about 300 Actives at a time.

            A-Team is the most elite team ever? Lol

            I grant you old school AAA with Burn Eden, and Manny etc they were great but its simply not the same group anymore.

            Also if Ateam is so Leet why out of 10k Memebers do you have 60 SC`s? Who are scattered.
            Why are they not combat ready and scattered in the first place?
            You sound like a newb yourself, Saying you are better then explaining how PL is better in most ways, saying you guys are broke, have a worse Spy Network.

            Also please show me these amazing links to fights where you guys have won fights.

            March 14, 2011 at 7:41 pm
          6. Disgruntled -A- Mem

            A -Team has won many battles.
            Truth: won battles against Init doesn't count they suck worse then -A-. And in truth, -A- and friends have been getting their butts kicked even when they bring in 2-3 times the numbers. Unless you look at it from the -A- point of view, That is looking only at the -A- killboard, they look that 'They" killed X amount of 'so and so'
            and only lost 'Y' ships. The truth is they helped kill 'X' ships of 'so and so' with 15-20 additional alliances and -A- and friends lost "Y times 10". If your going to share on the glory of the kills share on the gloom of the losses!

            A-Team continues to hold it's space.
            No, they had to reclaim it after they lost it like little bitches too busy to stop running sanctums. Only when they lost their ability to run plex's they actually started to care.

            A-Team continues to bring the fight.
            Again, No! ROL brings the fight and -A- brings additional members. I rarely see any fleet that the Great -A- actually have the majority of members in the fleet. -A- calls everyone else they fly with their meatshields, i think it's the opposite, i think -A- is ROL's meatshield. Only going on what all the BR's show. Maybe if -A- wants to be taken seriously, maybe they should actually bring it. If they can.

            March 16, 2011 at 3:51 pm
    4. O//

      Because this is 370 vs 130 or something. Wow amazing win for the fails in -a-
      time to release theyre dogs in stainwagon maybe ?

      March 13, 2011 at 12:10 pm Reply
    5. Manny is classy

      Manny is also full of class and does not need to spam eve with wall of text battle reports. Short and sweet. <3 manny.

      March 13, 2011 at 12:19 pm Reply
    6. duder

      Manny (leader of Cascade Imminent) Wrote this report. He could have made it longer if he wanted to v0v.

      He's not as good a writer as Elise though so it's probably best for all of us that he didn't.

      March 13, 2011 at 1:29 pm Reply
    7. dirkadirka

      because everyone likes to know they got pwnd…..nothing else

      March 13, 2011 at 3:48 pm Reply
  7. puremath

    If you gather enough pilots who know how to focus fire then no amount of skill or reps will save you.

    March 13, 2011 at 7:48 am Reply
  8. mickey

    And how is this a victory? they still lost more dudes and failed to kill any carriers.

    -A- are still shit LOL

    March 13, 2011 at 7:53 am Reply
    1. omgwtf

      righto what part of drakes being cheap dont you get….what part of -a- completing all objectives dont you get?

      explain this and we're see if we can enlighten you further.

      March 13, 2011 at 8:08 am Reply
    2. Che Guevara

      They had 10:1 ISK efficiency, though, and achieved all objectives.

      March 13, 2011 at 11:04 am Reply
    3. i can only assume Mickey Simon lol

      March 13, 2011 at 8:09 pm Reply
    4. no-name

      more damage control. get over it PL you lost

      March 14, 2011 at 12:44 am Reply
  9. Drake 263

    Abaddon 54

    I see -A- used their elite tacticz to win

    March 13, 2011 at 8:50 am Reply
    1. Guest

      you forgot the best part, the numbers:
      PL= @250 lost 59
      -A- & Friends @500 lost 282

      March 16, 2011 at 3:56 pm Reply
  10. win?

    stats from pl board:
    aaa+friends – 422(85)
    pl – 138(49)
    you outnumbered them like 3 to 1 and still lost twice more then you killed. not so much of a win to me.

    March 13, 2011 at 8:57 am Reply
    1. Win!

      Try to understand the difference between bc and bs and especially cars, then ask your questions.

      March 13, 2011 at 9:29 am Reply
    2. random guy2

      Check isk value of ships on both sides and you see that PL had more money on the field

      Numbers doesnt mean shit

      March 13, 2011 at 11:22 am Reply
      1. dERP

        Shit doesnt mean numbers

        March 13, 2011 at 4:15 pm Reply
  11. African

    LOLZ drakes are great easy to replace and grunts don't mind bringing them to the party and ever other party after that.

    Lose a few Abaddons and we know most other alliances would start to see alot less numbers imao.

    March 13, 2011 at 9:48 am Reply
    1. sour

      clearly u dont know anything about ruskies :p

      March 13, 2011 at 12:06 pm Reply
  12. omgwtf

    confirming PL cant admit they lost…

    March 13, 2011 at 10:06 am Reply
  13. Matty

    I gotta say, after commenting that Drake fleets shouldn't be used against PL just YESTERDAY this threw me for a loop. Nicely done.

    Drakes still suck tho. 😛

    March 13, 2011 at 10:22 am Reply
    1. Gerard

      The reason -A- and co. won was because of bombers.

      2-3 good drops == lots of dead abaddons.

      March 14, 2011 at 6:03 am Reply
  14. Herpdaderp

    Confirming -A- is still shit. Lose two to 1 but "accomplish" their goal of dieing horribly so its a win. Just reinforcing -A- is still shit.

    March 13, 2011 at 10:38 am Reply
    1. no-name

      damage control detected

      March 14, 2011 at 12:40 am Reply
      1. no-name troll

        mad troll detected. -A- is still shit.

        March 14, 2011 at 9:03 am Reply
  15. -A-

    LoL PL

    March 13, 2011 at 10:53 am Reply
  16. DBowl

    Have to agree with some of the earlier posters,I just can't see a victory in this? Going by stats anyway. However if PL did in fact retreat you would have to give it to -A- & Co. Well done for bringing it so often after previous defeats btw that takes some balls.

    And no i'm not a PL fanboi.

    March 13, 2011 at 11:04 am Reply
    1. Che Guevara

      How do you not see a victory for -A- in this? They lost a few BCs, PL lost a few BSes. The ISK value of the kills for -A- FAR outweighed the ISK value of the losses. PL left the field, -A- killed the SBUs. System/station saved for now. PL succeeded in not resorting to supercaps, that's about it.

      March 13, 2011 at 4:40 pm Reply
  17. LOLnowwut

    Confirming Tailor Swift is a CrackWhore and Ke$ha is a princess in need of my man juices.

    March 13, 2011 at 11:19 am Reply
  18. Narf

    Weird, when PL kicks 200+ Drake fleets around, takes over a station and loses like 5 Abaddons it's all about "but they lost the ISK war!!1!"

    Nevertheless, finally they got a kick in the balls. I like PL but they were getting way too overconfident (plus, I hate their weird fantasy-BRs) and someone has to take a stand against them.
    I'd rather see them steamroll through Fountain and send TEST crying back to mommy NC.

    March 13, 2011 at 11:22 am Reply
  19. sour

    nice dmg control PL…i see almost all ur abaddon losses have PL peeps on the killmails…nice nice PL :s

    March 13, 2011 at 12:09 pm Reply
    1. dude

      nice sour. not reconizing a fireline defence when u see one. priceless.

      March 13, 2011 at 8:25 pm Reply
      1. Death Reactor

        They did that to help them not look so bad..

        March 14, 2011 at 1:09 am Reply
    2. Guest

      ummmm.. your an ass if you cant figure out why, here is a hint… smartbombs to reduce the incoming missile damage.
      You sound mad bro. You mad about something?

      March 16, 2011 at 3:39 pm Reply
  20. BillyBob joe

    Things are changing, they started off the year with handing nc their asses on a plate, but then they started taking loss after loss, yeah i know via blobbing, but its still a loss, and even a battle like this where losses are unclear, if its still called a loss, people loose faith in pl and the only way merx can run is through their image. Anyways i think evenews24 should start having another section for lowsex and smaller battles, or something like a 30 man gang taking on 70, stuff thats impressive yet small because personally blob fests just arent fun

    March 13, 2011 at 12:14 pm Reply
  21. PL Tears are sweet

    *cry* we were outnumbered eve is unfair!

    March 13, 2011 at 12:22 pm Reply
  22. anatlasgoon

    The "secret" change in fleet organization that caused PL to fail so hard?

    Hint: You can't RR what you can't lock.

    March 13, 2011 at 12:44 pm Reply
  23. gfhjfgbdth

    A fully fit Drake costs about 50-60m.
    A fully fit Hellcat costs about 240-280m.

    Also there were other people there than -A-. Infact the fleet was lead by Cascade Imminent and all sorts of different alliances attended.

    Now, whether this can really be called a success by -A- & co. is debatable, but they did achieve their objectives and hold the field. You may call Drakes shit, just consider this: Would PL have brought it after losing 9 Hellcat/Tengu fleets in a row?

    March 13, 2011 at 12:57 pm Reply
    1. kamphamster

      Who cares about isk? The only ones that attribute isk value in determining win or loss are hopeless carebears, for the simple reason that they think EVE is about making isk. But If you have it, isk is not a factor. And neither of these entities are particularly poor. War is about achieving or failing to achieve objectives. PL lost this battle because they didnt meet their objectives. -A- and friends won because they did. Its not that hard you know.

      March 13, 2011 at 8:31 pm Reply
      1. PL Recruiter

        ISk my friend makes the world go round.

        Clearly your trying really hard to get accepted.

        Again please send me your app, ill get you into waffles.

        March 13, 2011 at 9:58 pm Reply
        1. kamphamster

          Shut up faggot. I wouldnt want to get into PL even in your wettest dream. The average PL member is a selfserving elitist asshole with a huge inferiority complex which he compensates by playing internet spaceship toughguy. Dont let my admiration for the ingame PVP fool you into thinking I regard them with anything else than contempt as human beeings.

          March 14, 2011 at 12:07 am Reply
  24. pirate

    i mean the funny thing of all this is, that PL wants to go back into serious space holding. there u go and look at all the past blabla about, we didnt want space anyways…this just proves that none bigger alliance cant live without their own pocket into 0.0.

    welcome to sov wars PL. 😀

    March 13, 2011 at 12:58 pm Reply
  25. -A-

    Newsflash! EVERYONE IS SHIT

    March 13, 2011 at 1:51 pm Reply
  26. Dave

    Telling to see that PL dont report their loses.

    March 13, 2011 at 2:52 pm Reply
  27. They won cause they held the field, and achieved their objectives. Despite the inevitable PL take on this where they won/had a draw: Killmails have nothing to do with who won the battle. Who won the battle is the only real indicator of who won the battle, oddly enough.

    March 13, 2011 at 3:41 pm Reply
    1. LOLnowwut

      cryptic poster is cryptic

      in short, if you hold the field and defend your timers, whatever they may be (or destroy the enemies RF's) you are the winner of the engagement. although that doesnt mean you werent taken up the ass either.

      however, COTW did spank PL this time, no matter what people say, that PL got blobbed and they had more kills, blah blah blah… PL chooses not to ally with anyone and that is their strategy and it cost them this time. they can only bitch at themselves… many coalitions would take them in if they could be trusted.

      March 13, 2011 at 11:26 pm Reply
  28. TerriblePoster

    Lag anyone???

    When the drake blob fired, did the servers stop or did CCP fix that with last patch?? It used to be that when 300-400 drakes fired missile volley, servers would screech to a halt, with module lag going up to minutes making remote reps useless.

    March 13, 2011 at 4:24 pm Reply
    1. even worse poster

      lag was almost nonexistant for me, I was in a logi and was able to lock up and rep quite easily.

      March 13, 2011 at 5:48 pm Reply
  29. Mind

    Video from this battle is here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqErNjSG5no

    March 13, 2011 at 4:57 pm Reply
  30. ballz

    you didnt list all 22 alliances that came you fat useless fuck

    March 13, 2011 at 5:04 pm Reply
  31. Finally has a breakthrough and crushing victory over those smug leet super spies known as PL fleets.

    Is this the downfall of the too smart for you PL ? Chink in the legions armor discovered.

    March 13, 2011 at 7:45 pm Reply
  32. ROL > -A-?

    Being a former dweller of the south, I always assumed ROL was the fail alliance in the whole stainwagon, but the more I look at it, -A- appears to be the most helpless and only win when someone else brings the numbers for them. Also on a side note, Makalu has to be the worst at local smack that I have ever seen and rages when he loses dramiels. Confirming -A- is shit.

    March 13, 2011 at 8:06 pm Reply
  33. Lykouleon

    Manny took his shirt off once during a fleet and every woman within a 100 mile radius of his chateau instantly fell into uncontrollable, convulsive orgasms.

    True story.

    March 13, 2011 at 9:22 pm Reply
  34. Kharna

    gf meight

    March 13, 2011 at 9:31 pm Reply
  35. PL is ze best

    WE WIN U LOOSE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    March 13, 2011 at 10:47 pm Reply
  36. Death Reactor

    PL fanbois complaining about the BR? I got one for you. pl's sad and pathetic "high command" aka just a regular ass leadership that everyone else has decided to engage way out of their league and got smashed. Determined southern forces deployed by the "super duper guy command" wrecked havoc across pl's fleet leaving little in their path. Still confident in their abilities pl command decided to withdraw from the field in a "advance in the other direction" manner leaving the victorious allies to the spoils.

    March 14, 2011 at 12:22 am Reply
    1. ViperRum

      Hmmm, note to self, eve mail some guys I know in -A- to have you removed as PR Director.

      That is just a bad post….just bad.

      The only thing worse than a sore loser is a sore winner.

      March 15, 2011 at 10:14 pm Reply
      1. Death Reactor

        your obviously mad and a pl fanboy

        March 16, 2011 at 6:10 am Reply
    2. guest

      whaaa whaaaa, i keep loosing my uber drake to these guys! We need to do something else…Whaaaaa

      March 16, 2011 at 3:53 pm Reply
  37. NCarebear

    PL… Pupets Legion lol

    March 14, 2011 at 1:06 am Reply
  38. cumquat

    manny takes it up the ass from vuk and then sucks his own shit off the ditry nob

    March 14, 2011 at 2:40 am Reply
  39. -A-

    hmmm i think we will become merc corps and make loads of isk as nobody capable to beating us – we came and shown NC what to do in pvp – PL tried to come and teach us but I hope they have learn that we are 'Untouchable' – check KB – Catch is unpenatrable – Goons came got pwned n left with their tail between their legs 😉 AAA ftw

    March 14, 2011 at 3:05 am Reply
  40. RUSRUSRUS

    So basically all i gathered from this is -A- are shit.

    March 14, 2011 at 3:54 am Reply
  41. Truth

    Shamis lied, PL died.

    March 14, 2011 at 4:08 am Reply
  42. Garst Tyrell

    expected better from you manny

    400 drakes killing 100 ships nonshocker, individual drakes' pilot skills credited for victory, more to come

    March 14, 2011 at 6:42 am Reply
  43. imaspy

    This is the YMCA. There are no winners or losers and everyone gets a trophy in the end. Congrats everyone…..

    March 14, 2011 at 3:46 pm Reply
  44. PL win win win

    Whats the more impressive win?

    80 battleships vs 320 battlecruisers, for 34 dead battleships vs 193 dead battlecruisers (L-6)
    or
    295 battlecruisers vs 54 battleships, for 45 dead battlecruisers vs 39 dead battleships (i1Y)

    Yeah right, that's why PL should be proud of their victories. When the only thing you have to be proud of is barely winning a fight against a third of your numbers, you know you are terrible.

    March 14, 2011 at 4:14 pm Reply
    1. AAA

      300 vs 60 is more like 5 / 6 : 1

      gfgfgf

      March 14, 2011 at 4:15 pm Reply
  45. ViperRum

    Wow, the opening comments are mostly by a bunch of retards. Looks like the article is a self-serving one written by Manfred Sideous, although to be quite honest I can't tell since this site's formatting is such shit. So as one poster notes…it was written by the winning side.

    As to what happened it seems fairly obvious: CAAASEROL brought about 400 people and PL brought 130-135 people. PL was also short on their logistics. In the previous fight PL had about 25% or more as logistics, in this one guardians made up only 20% of the fleet. So, superior numbers won the day.

    No I'm not saying Blobbing thus CAAASEROL fails or anything, bringing superior numbers is a valid tactic, IMO. Finally it worked for CAASEROL this time.

    And in terms of losses CAAASEROL barely won. On the isk side you guys definitely won…but then again isk losses aren't that big a deal IMO except in the long game. That is I think the typical PL pilot can afford to replace those losses and will back in Hellcats to continue the fight. I suppose the typical CAAASEROL pilot can absorb drake losses, but getting your ass handed to you 2 out of 3 fights is not a good way to keep numbers up, IMO.

    March 14, 2011 at 11:39 pm Reply
    1. Death Reactor

      Our numbers are fine.. The word is out and more and more are joining fleets. 24/7 i can find a op and people are always xing up when they log in. I only see it getting worse for PL

      March 15, 2011 at 6:02 am Reply
      1. ViperRum

        For now. Anyhow, Delve as a Thunder Dome is fun to watch.

        March 15, 2011 at 10:12 pm Reply
  46. abc

    I do find it highly amusing that EN24 has turned into a rampant -A- and co dick fest. Any and all comments pointing out that a victory with 400 people beating 100 people is less of an achievement than is those same 100 people whelp the 400 people is immediately neg repped to oblivion. In fact, this very comment will more than likely get the same treatment.

    It's OK -A-. We know you want to feel special, but drake blobs just isn't the way to go <3

    March 15, 2011 at 7:07 am Reply
  47. kamphamster

    Next time you might actaully read the post before submitting to your kne-jerk response. As I said, Isk is NOT a factor IF you have it. Yes it might be in the long run, but I have certainly not seen many statements to the effect that "we lost because we ran out of isk" in nullsec wars the last 3 years. Now, in THIS case, neither PL or AAA and friends are know to be particularly poor. Manny has himself saif that he reimburses every Drake lost. In the short run, therefore, both parties have the isk necessary to to replace losses withouth too much problem. A phyrric victory is only phyrric if you find yourself unable to rebuild your army before the next battle. This is not the case here and the argument is thus fundamentally flawed. At this stage of the conflict, I therefore maintain that ISK is not a factor in determining the victors. The ability to meet objectives however, is the crucial factor.

    March 16, 2011 at 1:23 am Reply

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