EVE News 24 just received solid intel (from four sources) on an existing IT Alliance contract on Pandemic Legion against Deklein & Co and the Northern Coalition. IT has yet to officially confirm, but we have been hearing the same from different comms. Pandemic Legion’s contract terms boil down to this:

10 Billion Isk per week actively attacking both NC and DC targets.
3 Billion Isk for each Capital Ship Assembly Array put into reinforced mode.
10 Billion Isk for each Capital Ship Assembly Array destroyed.
10 Billion Isk for every Supercapital destroyed.
20 Billion Isk for every Titan brought down.

– Non Aggression pact against IT NAP list.

Apparently the main reason of the contract is the ongoing 6VDT siege. Video of the siege below:

In related news, Deklein Coalition players note “irregularities” occurring during the siege of 6VDT. According to sources, Deklein Coalition had identified and rape caged POSes where IT alliance had logged-off Supercapital / Capital ships. The bubbles were inexplicably offlined during today’s downtime, allowing some IT pilots to escape.

Czech Lion wrote a more comprehensive article about this.

I have to publicly apologize to player Chad Mesiroff, whose article was dismissed two weeks ago. He accurately predicted part of the current political scenario. At the time, his predictions seemed too outlandish even for EVE News 24, and the article never reached editorial review.

We feel it proper to recognize his efforts. Click the spoiler to see his article:

[spoiler show=”The IT Article EN24 Forgot”]

Tonight as I reflect on the past battles of IT Alliance (IT) and the Deklein Coalition (DC), I think about C3n where IT brought its Super caps and absolutely demolished GSF`s fleet, to save a CSAA in Delve. While still having 30+Titans more, IT was outnumbered by 300+ DC Subcapital fleet.

I wonder what has changed since that battle? Is it the Deklein Coalition getting more organised? Maybe. Is it overwhelming numbers day in and day out? Maybe but, IT faced those numbers before and mopped the floor with them. Is it the DC getting more skilled more skilled as a whole, I don’t think so. More organised yes, but more talented? No. Nowadays in Eve talent is often buffed or nerfed by great organization.

So what has lead to these Defeats for the past three weeks in fountain, with a few sporadic IT wins? That is what I’m going to speculate on, the events leading up to the recent defeats. If IT doesn’t learn from these defeats and take them very seriously, it will be torn apart.

I read on forums recently that IT is the Rome of our Time in EVE, this is also my personal opinion. You either love them or hate them, but almost all have been affected by them. Just like Rome their power has fluctuated and has even changed names but they have always been the “Big Boys on the Block”.

All these theories are shared by most rank and file IT soldiers, and while I do like IT alot some old IT members will see this as a bash to the alliance. They will flame me endlessly about me not knowing anything about the internal workings of the alliance and how I am not privy to certain intel that they are. It is not my intent to bash IT Alliance.

However the latest actions from IT in my opinion cannot be approved with a campaign which it has handled with very little foresight.

My intent is to “Save Rome” but to do that one must learn from its follies and be honest about them. Some say -A- was a blunder but I’m going to leave that discussion this column since its very subjective with who unblued whom first and what it all meant, so I will stick to the 1st hand knowledge I have, to keep these points as clear as I can.

First Blunder:

Allowing Cloud Ring to be retaken by GSF. Attacking a Small elite group like the ones in Cloud ring, Cry Havoc(CH) Evoke(EV0KE) Northern Coalition.(NCDOT), who were caught in hammer and anvil situation between IT and the DC.

This was one of the stupidest things I have seen an alliance do. Here you have EV0KE, CH and NCDOT some of the best small sized pvp alliances Eve has ever seen who easily could have held off the DC`s subcap Fleets while outnumbered 3:1 but were not able to match the sub-capital and capital Fleet numbers of the DC simultaneously. Unfortunately these pilots cannot dual box sub-capital and capital fleets and once.

So instead of aiding CH and not taking the Syndicate Moons that they owned (which mean piss all to IT in the long run) IT comes in to “Boost Morale” and all the sudden the Former blues who fought the Northern Coalition(NC) for years are now fighting the Sub-capital Blob of NC and the Super-Capital Might of IT.

Seeing the writing on the wall Evoke starts to pull out and goes to fight IT with NCDOT to try and avoid losing all their space only to be invaded by the Deklein Coalition from the North, who had been kicked from Cloud Ring in six weeks one year earlier when the Goonswarm Federation(GSF) tried to take the region on their own. They had already proved they could win fighting GSF with its 5000+ members.

IT did all this for what? A few Moons? Some Morale?
At the cost of allowing mortal enemies to have a Base withing jump bridge range of fountain…Stupid.

CH had 300 members but 150 actives with 30+ supercarriers and a 50 man Hac fleet that was basically invincible when it came to guerrilla attacks, routinely killing 20:1 on their roams. Evoke having 550 Real actives who had a crack battleship unit and 15+ supercarriers. NCDOT had 20 supercarriers and 200 Active very Elite pvpers. Look at what PL has done to Venal, sure maybe they lost in the end but look at what 90 battleships and 80 supercarriers can do, now imagine them bolstering your ranks, for the low cost of seven tech moons. Very few alliances were as Pro and Elite as CH/Evoke/NCDOT especially when it came to their type of guerrilla warfare.

Second Blunder:

Letting fountain get to last/serious Rf timer to begin with.

Why in the world would you wait for the last Ref timer to fight an enemy who`s import to take the system is way way greater than your will to keep it?

To the DC it meant everything “Morale” wise to take PNQ after there crushing loss at C3N, they used it to prop up all the smaller less important pets like FA/FCON while it hurt IT`s pets.

All because cockiness? We beat em in c3N easy enough we can beat em now? I really dont know why?

Controlled CHaos and many many more.

3rd major Blunder

Not using the SC fleet god has given you 😛 , this is a major one.

Time and again we see Goons bring a decent sized SC Fleet that IT could Crush if they commited there main Fleet, but orders have been to hold them and never unleash them.

Why not unleash your greatest weapon? Again its like Romans not using Balista,
Why not turn the tables and beat them at there own game?

Time and again they proved not to respect the SC`s because they think IT wont use them except for major Defense, prove them otherwise and scare the shit out of them with your 60+Titans150+Moms and Lord knows how many Caps.

The simple fact is Goons/Dek have been bringing newb SC pilots here to train them because they dont fear IT`s fleet this is why any Test/Goons etc SC`s have fallen inexp pilots, this also means they dont think twice at all about deploying them on your subcap BS Fleets EVERYTIME.

Where as IT guys know they are stuck to subcaps, DEK knows they can deploy them and have no fear at all.

If I was a Goon/Pet I would bring them everytime, but If one time IT brought there scary fleet and kicked my ass next time I would bring my Mael instead :)

Im mean they are deploying SC`s in almost all engagements now and its why they are winning 80% of the major fights.

These are the major blunders I see that are over and cant be fixxed, now for my personal opinion…Please dont flame to hard guys we all have opinions, instead just respond and tell me if Im wrong and why you think so.

1st Fix, Operation Urgent Fury, a call to space pioneers 😛

The more I read about Corps like True Riegn and Convicted and others who have stood against the odds with no backing and fought outnumbered and bravely the more I realise, IT needs to make an Open statement
“Who ever helps fight in fountain and defeat Dek CO” which is very very possible will be not only Blued before all of Eve but become permanent residents there rent free no strings attached.

This would promote alot of the Talanted Merc Co`s NCdot Types to come and fight and cut out a chunk for themselves, the deal would be similiar to Init`s, IT would always help in some way to defend there sov and as much as possible for other fights. It would be the job of the Corp/Alli to help fight for it, which they would be invested in. Of course you would have to work out numbers of systems vs dividing them up etc.

There are just so many damned talanted Alli`s like DarkSide who have never or could never defend in the current climate of Blobski but who would not just show up for CTA`s but harass Enemies on regular basis that is being wasted on renters who wont be renters of any space because it wont be IT`s anyways.

This would give IT “Hardcore Pewers” not renters etc and at the same time give the numbers/Suport to the smaller guys who are Elite but couldn’t hold it themselves.

If they would have done this Cry Havoc/Evoke /NCDOT/Darkside would all be living in fountain and trust me the map would look different, so far fleets of IT have been 200 short almost everyfleet battle and lacking 10 or so SC`s+50 Caps, with these numbers in fleet it would free up IT`s super-capitals pilots to only focus on flying there ships and not dualboxing.

This in my opinion is IT`s last best Hope to save fountain which in turn saves Delve [which I admit would be 200x harder.], Make new Alli`s in Fountain but make them tough real Pvpers no care bear`s who pack up everytime fight comes, Im not saying ALL IT Pets are useless but they as a whole have been lacking. Plus with Moons+the other sytems they can rent small spaces in delve/Querious anyways.

2nd fix for now. Bring the Rain, Use shock and Awe to simply demoralize Goons and show your Grunts IT is still top dawg.

Don’t wait for them to be at Delves doorstep, USE YOUR DAMNED SC`s, so far only 1 batle would have even been a close Titan/SC battle because all MM/RZR were on standby and even then if you were in system first…You win

Your SC Fleet is biggest in eve by far USE IT or you will slowly LOSE IT.

3rd and Last.
Im sorry Brah
Probably never gonna happen but how bad do they want there space?

This may sound funny and stupid but seriously HIRE PL to HIT VENAL AT THE SAME TIME YOU FIGHT A LAST RF TIMER SO YOU KNOW THERE ENTIRE NC FLEET IS TIED UP. If goons want a fight give it to them, but be smart and co-ordinated, yes PL hates IT but right now they also hate NC.

Pandemic Legion probably a no go since Ego`s are to big but DRF is never out of the question, I know IT hates DRF and vice versa but damnit NC is taking over the game and individually you will lose because the 40k Members you have to fight WORK TOGETHER.

Co-Ordinate fleets guys, attack major offensives at same times. IT and DRF are natural Alli`s since they are on opposing sides of maps, Both hate NC and both have the numbers together to crush them, if NC sets timers for diff times then IT/DRF can just use the time where they are fighting to set more and deeper [Gem/Fountain] Timers.



  1. teacup

    well some might say thats Fail, but I saw its pretty smart. NC have a ton of people so whats a contract. You can’t expect 1 alliance to fight everyone. goons are not their alone are they ;pppp

    so if PL is paid, its a step forward.

    January 28, 2011 at 9:59 pm Reply
  2. teacup

    I said IF. so don’t get ur asses up in the air. IF this is true. bUT really IT should want it to be true. because without some serious help your going to loose.

    January 28, 2011 at 10:02 pm Reply
  3. IT Overlords

    And molle said PL can hold space again without getting anally violated by the IT rape train.

    January 28, 2011 at 10:05 pm Reply
    1. yahoo

      IT fail train. FTFY

      January 28, 2011 at 11:43 pm Reply
    2. Molle has lost his mind & has NO IDEA!

      So Molle still actually thinks he has something that he can use to go making these sorts of agreements? & go dictating what people will & won’t do?

      I mean coming out with we won’t attack your assets PL, is making out they first would be able to effectively attack something that belongs to PL without ending on the receiving end of a H-drop.

      January 30, 2011 at 1:33 am Reply
  4. LOL

    Couple this with Goons isk flow problem and you now all see why Goons are trying to take IT’s stating system NOW. They now the longer this goes on the more broke they will be. If 6VDT doesn’t fall to Goons expect the whole Fountain invasion to fall apart.

    January 28, 2011 at 10:07 pm Reply
    1. your dumb

      where did this myth come from that goons are short on cash? we control deklien the region with the most tech moons we are the saudi arabia of eve.

      January 28, 2011 at 10:43 pm Reply
      1. lolbias

        more like the “dead sea” of eve

        January 29, 2011 at 9:16 am Reply
    2. Wut?

      How can they have isk flow problems in Deklein?

      January 28, 2011 at 10:44 pm Reply
      1. LOL

        Because replacing all those Maelstrom their noob players lose is EXPENSIVE! Plus the huge sov bill.

        January 28, 2011 at 11:17 pm Reply
        1. derrr

          lol hisec jita camper theorycrafting about goon’s cash flow

          January 29, 2011 at 12:35 am Reply
  5. North


    January 28, 2011 at 10:09 pm Reply
    1. LOL

      You sir, are an ignorant, clueless idiot, feel sorry for you.

      January 28, 2011 at 10:29 pm Reply
      1. poastin toaster

        and you are a stupid.

        January 28, 2011 at 10:59 pm Reply
      2. foo

        You seem mad. Why are you mad?

        January 28, 2011 at 11:45 pm Reply
    2. Phreeze

      Who you gonna call?

      January 29, 2011 at 12:15 am Reply
      1. Lorax, I speak for the Gallente


        January 29, 2011 at 1:40 am Reply
      2. WTF?

        Not you!

        January 29, 2011 at 2:47 am Reply
      3. Haha! Excellent.

        January 30, 2011 at 1:19 pm Reply
  6. R.A.G.E. Grunt

    “I have to publicly apologize to player Chad Mesiroff, from whom we dismissed an article he sent 2 weeks ago, he chillingly predicted part of the current political scenario, prediction which we dismissed for considering it completedly outlandish, the article wasn’t finished by our editors, what’s why the end part seems disparate, yet am posting the article in this spoiler.”

    EN24 has editors?

    January 28, 2011 at 10:22 pm Reply
    1. Che Guevara

      I totally read your name as “R.A.G.E. Cunt”

      Call it a Freudian slip, perhaps, but it’s probably still true.

      January 29, 2011 at 9:38 am Reply
  7. Whale Sex

    Does that mean that PL gets 33 Billion for the CSAA they just destroyed?

    January 28, 2011 at 10:27 pm Reply
  8. me

    Muhahahahahahaha, IT needs to hire PL …!

    Priceless :)

    January 28, 2011 at 10:39 pm Reply
    1. buttsechs

      Mwahahaha, goons need to blue 70k people.


      January 28, 2011 at 11:21 pm Reply
      1. lol

        Blues don’t cost isk.

        January 29, 2011 at 12:21 am Reply
        1. IT man

          they cost pride

          January 29, 2011 at 1:04 pm Reply
          1. People say the darndest things

            And you gain pride by having NO friends and having to hire PL to do all your fighting for you whilst you flee from pvp?

            Paying all your money to your one of your most hated foes to save you from getting totally wiped must instil such pride in IT folk… :S

            January 29, 2011 at 2:42 pm
          2. RAWR

            Irony overload. IT dude talking about pride lol.
            Your leader does not even know the meaning of the word.

            January 29, 2011 at 6:01 pm
  9. SO

    If PL keeps reinforcing CSAA over and over without ever coming to destroy them, they’ll still get paid? Sounds like a good plan! :)

    January 28, 2011 at 10:42 pm Reply
    1. trololol

      even better, PL makes a deal with NC alliances that they put up empty CSAAs constantly and they split the payment for each dead CSAAs

      January 28, 2011 at 11:25 pm Reply
    2. init brother

      Looks like they don’t need to come back as goons seems to think that its useless to stront towers if PL attacks them …they will destroy them anyway

      Hail to our PL brosefs even if were not blue (anyway its way more fun to get a fight against skilled PL brosefs than against fucking noob goons and friends ,) )

      January 29, 2011 at 2:09 am Reply
      1. god speaking

        muhahahaha Init talking about noobs….. priceless

        January 29, 2011 at 5:28 am Reply
  10. Head Screwed on Correctly

    Well we had some bubbles go off line and a couple of Goon players got in our system, so GM’s are colluding with Goons in meta gaming us, its a game glitch… and we treated it like that!

    January 28, 2011 at 10:45 pm Reply
  11. HardinSalvor

    Good move by IT. They have systems to save and money to burn.

    January 28, 2011 at 10:50 pm Reply
  12. Oroan

    Give this guy a contract, good reads if it’s true or not, I like the way he tells it.


    January 28, 2011 at 11:16 pm Reply
  13. Steven McTowelie

    Great article. Good to see admition of mistakes.

    Anyone wanna get high?

    January 28, 2011 at 11:30 pm Reply
  14. Zalia Tahlael

    Loved this Chad Messiroff and his article. I don’t how it was “too outlandish”! I remember thinking the something similar about the CH/EV0KE/NC. situation when I learned IT was attacking them.

    This guy’s article is one of the best opinion pieces I’ve ever read. Most of the other stuff that gets posted simply attempts to be shit talk and blow the trumpet of the team they’re rooting for. This article talks strategy and looks at the issues IT is having and tries to solve it. Brilliant stuff.

    On a slightly related note, some of the authors that write battle reports tend to add so much garbage to it. I read a battle report by Shadoo on kugu about the battle involving the titan losses. It was such a great battle report.

    In the end EN24 has to decide whether it wants to be a good/earnest news source, or a tabloid. I generally am not to bothered with this type of thing, but I was just a bit put off to learn that you guys didn’t print this because you thought it was outlandish. There is absolutely no wild speculation in this!

    January 28, 2011 at 11:45 pm Reply
    1. mymindisglowing

      Yeah but before any of this was proven out (i.e. back when it was written) it was all speculative and at the very least in the nature of an editorial or feature piece, the very kind of thing that so many people cry foul about. Eve News 24 can’t win for losing with you guys. Someone will always bitch. This time it just happened to be you.

      January 29, 2011 at 12:19 am Reply
      1. Zalia Tahlael

        Fair point about the bitching. It’s just that even if it was speculative, it wasn’t WILDLY so, there was a reasoning behind it.

        January 29, 2011 at 1:29 am Reply
    2. BntyHunter

      Thx Zalia, it was my Piece, Im not a very good writer but needed to say this stuff.

      Im very glad you liked it.

      It was kinda a general opinion I had yes but alot of facts I knew but couldnt say I knew.

      Most the things I said came true because I knew things most didnt and saw the writing on the wall.

      Anyways It got held back and not approved with 14 or so points from the editors basically they thought i was crazy :)

      And at that point the things I said/Predicted did seem crazy to be fair.

      Anyways thx so much I was sooooo damned nervous.

      January 29, 2011 at 12:34 am Reply
  15. yes thats my hurricane

    January 28, 2011 at 11:48 pm Reply
  16. Insider

    The MAIN part of the contract that tipped PL’s hand isn’t mentioned – That IT will allow PL to take sovereignty and IT have confirmed they will NOT wipe them out of their space like last time and like they once promised to do.

    Its been that threat from IT that has kept PL from holding space this past year and prevented them from joining the 126 0.0 sovereign holding big boy alliances.

    January 28, 2011 at 11:52 pm Reply
    1. another grunt

      if you ask me, not having sov was the best that could happen to PL

      January 29, 2011 at 12:11 am Reply
    2. Noobee

      dum de dum dum

      -PL doesn’t want sov, or they would have it.
      -They ‘could’ have joined just about any bloc they wanted, but they’ve been DOING what they wanted. Which is to (with rare fuckups) extract a lot of tears and make a lot of ISK.

      January 29, 2011 at 12:14 am Reply
      1. Molle has lost his mind & has NO IDEA!

        Yes they were rare, I mean loosing what was it 8 or 9 Titans in the space of a few days is definitely rare & I can’t help but wonder how much they get each time they show their greatness & give away one of their own supers?

        January 30, 2011 at 1:41 am Reply
    3. BntyHunter

      Seriously Holding Sov for an Elite group of 23/7 warriors is only an anchor that slows the Alli Down.

      Yes its great to make ISK using sov but they do fine with Tourney and contracts.

      The thing is Sov makes most ALli`s weaker, If you were to look at Razor or MM the only reason the ymade through there periods of iactivity is because there huge amounts of alli`s 1/3rd of the game would come to back them up.

      So for a group that thrives on war having safe Sov really can weaken and kill them.

      Look at AAA, Atlas, IT, TCF etc all these powers IMO were greatly weakend by owning sov, Sov makes most alli`s over time turn more carebearish.

      Moving around alot makes people sharp constantly moving assets and learning new areas and fighting differant foes with differant tactics makes Alli`s like PL great.

      TL DR
      They have the ISK, why would they want Sov when they are doing so well without it?

      In last year they had 2 major defeats but as a whole had tons of victories that far surpass those Welps

      January 29, 2011 at 1:39 am Reply
      1. Same old excuse

        Ah, the same old response that PL use when they lose something they had, and worked hard to gain and hold:

        “We didn’t want those Systems/Moons/Titans anyways.”

        Most people use it as a joke, but PL are the only ones who say it with a straight face when they espouse the whole “We didn’t want that XXXXX anyway” response after losing something.

        January 29, 2011 at 1:51 am Reply
        1. Storm

          Nah what was said was Sov might actually make PL lose its edge, which is 100% true, they are so damned tough because they move so much and new enemy has to adapt to a Great Spy network, and generally excellent players.

          January 29, 2011 at 9:09 am Reply
          1. Ray

            Fap-fap-fap you sure like to suck PL dicks.

            January 29, 2011 at 11:11 am
      2. Same old excuse

        No one doubts that PL have done ok without sovereignty. The point is though, they have never been allowed to have it, they took the IT threat very seriously, and having been denied sovereignty, they adapted to life without sovereignty because they had to.

        Now that they have been permission to hold sovereignty again, they may not actually do so, as they have gotten used to their gypsy ganking lifestyle. They are probably also aware that other alliances would easily wipe out any space they hold, so their fear of looking bad prevents them from even trying.

        January 29, 2011 at 1:54 am Reply
      3. humm

        They’re not making money with tourney, truth is, last tourney’s PL victories were paid. And you can clearly see it by watching recordings – too many accidental “mistakes” on enemy part, funny setups and so on. More than that, if you talk to people like Mactep, they admit it, however, probably it won’t work for you, but people who should know the truth, know it.

        January 29, 2011 at 10:26 am Reply
        1. Storm

          Lol PL victories were paid..LOLS

          Grab some tinfoil hats guys its time for crazy talk.

          Whats more likely one of the best SMall Gang PVP Alli with the best Logi pilots, who has the best spy system in game, learned others setups and fought them, or hell even had players on other teams to make mistakes or….

          They paid these scrubby Alli`s who they could have beaten str8 up and didnt use there spies to find out ship types/Tactics etc.

          Also getting the BPC`s 2 yrs now means they have HUGE amounts of ISK just sitting there when they want to use them.

          January 29, 2011 at 7:23 pm Reply
  17. Storm

    This article Opinion/article was also written well before it was public knowledge about PL going to PB and well before any major SC/Fleet Ops.

    If X13 and Fin would have been at some the fights would have gone way way differently IMO.

    But yeah Article was written 1 week before any info about PL going to PB or any info about x13 leaving came out, it was a Fortelling and a reason why IT was in its position, this was shared by alot of PRO IT players, and Rank and File.

    January 28, 2011 at 11:53 pm Reply
    1. FailisasFailDoes

      It’s funny how you think you have a valid opinion. Based off of everything you have said, I will assume you are some high sec scrub who just reads stuff and does not do any of the fighting. Also, if that you in your picture…thanks for the laugh!

      January 29, 2011 at 11:14 am Reply
      1. Storm

        Until you ID your qualifications, what alli you with your ingame name, I dont wanna here it.

        Most you guys who use “HISEC SCUB” “Go back to Hisec”

        Are guys who just joined a 00 sec Alli 2-4 Months ago who know feel badass, I have been in 00 sec in diff parts of map going on 4 yrs now.

        I would probably beat your ass in RL, you can take that to the bank.

        January 29, 2011 at 7:27 pm Reply
        1. umadsun

          >Does not post his ID
          >Claims to be in 0.0 for 4 years

          Yea ok buddy. Go ahead and link to a random character in pl while you mine veld.
          Also lol @ internet tuff guy. You are a fatty brosef. Loose some weight and you might get laid.
          I found this picture of you…..http://undergroundcoders.com/forums/uploads/1275200534/tn_gallery_1_3_2033.jpg

          January 29, 2011 at 7:33 pm Reply
          1. Storm

            I played college Foosball, Middle linebacker, Defense in Lacrosse, Prop in Rugby, and got into Krav Maga and Rus Sambo, Lol im that fat. You confuse being strong is being fat?

            It is up to you since you accused me of being HI Sec Hero to prove how uber 1337 you are.

            No im not in PL like I said I was Cry Havoc.

            Anyways its easy for you to throw stones and remain nameless and keep changing your name, why not sign up with a name and use it and stick with it, You can simply post as 15 diff guys to act like your points are valid, I never once said I was PL.

            January 30, 2011 at 12:34 am
          2. U-scawd-Brah

            Please show us a picture of you.

            Call him an internet tough guy but he is obviously big and it doesnt look like Flab, so instead of trying to make your self feel better why not show us a Pic of you?

            I think its Pot calling Kettle time around here.

            Pic you linked might be you. At least he isnt scared to say where he is from and show himself.

            January 30, 2011 at 12:41 am
          3. He just anameless goon pet

            He is just another nameless Gewn or gewn pet, actually I have noticed the Pets are the most vicious as they are in real life.

            Also since Goons dont need to brag as bad but Pets have small E-Peni they usually try to make fun of others in failed attemps.

            I do think is very funny how the Dek Pets or NC Pets who talk shit about Hisec`rs think they are much better, they are protected by there masters just like HISEC dwellers are by concord.

            I agree he looks like he would beat your Arse, and give you a solid thrashing.

            But you could bite him maybe like the dirty ass goon pet you are.

            January 30, 2011 at 12:47 am
          4. umadsun

            How many times do you change your name fatty to same fag?
            Nothing tastes better than your tears…mmmm and they are low calorie, you should consider recycling your tears, might help with the weight loss.
            Looks like I HAVE been in 0.0 longer than you as well scrub.

            January 30, 2011 at 1:31 am
          5. Storm

            You are confusing Blowing men with living in 00 sec.

            ALso you still havent said shit about what ALli`s you have been in…You are def a Wow player who came here jumped in Dreddit and now think you can have opinions in 00 sec…Lol you are pathetic.

            These posters above me know you are as well, I dont have tears. But you have terrors of prison punking it in Eve since you left wow.

            So you can think what ever you want but you will always be a prison punk who is happiest in the dicktree, you scurvy ass motherf*cker

            January 30, 2011 at 2:41 am
          6. umadsun

            I always love it when the “big baadaazz” sheds these tasty tears. You mentioned dicktree and prison banging a bunch of guys. Isn’t that what rugby is all about? Getting in a big sweaty pile with other men?

            Yup, Storm, confirmed closet homo. Enjoy slapin all your bros asses saying “Good game brah! No Homo LOL ”

            Hey while you are wishing you were in my corp my posting all those great compliments about it just stop because you are not getting in, there is no more room for your ass or ego in the stations we currently occupy. Thanks for playing.

            January 30, 2011 at 4:52 am
          7. Storm

            I still dont know what corp u are in since you wont say, so why the Fuck would I want to join it?

            In all honestly it sounds like WTF maybe? Maybe Lucian James corp or maybe Widot?

            Either way im cool off that, if its FA or any Dek Pet I will just laugh.

            Point is you are a pet for sures and I dont want in at all.

            Anyways enough with personal insults, you have me at disadvantage I will state who I was with and you wont so there is nothing else to talk about.

            January 30, 2011 at 9:40 am
          8. Funny Ignorance

            The ones making fun still dont see that you are wearing Kevlar Vest.

            Then again those who will never go through the fatal funnel wont really get that Pic.

            I think they think you wear Tactical Goggles for the hell of it.

            What where you Storm Military? Marine? Looks like Ranger emblem a little.

            January 30, 2011 at 9:58 am
          9. Storm

            I went to military academy but not military.

            I am a Penal Code 1299 California Bounty Hunter, yeah after I blew out my shoulder there wasnt much work. Now anyone can become a BH as long as they pass backgrounds, I did it when 1299 was around very very hard to get in.

            I was wearing Lvl 3 Vest under a shirt of mine and had tac goggles because we went after a high risk target.

            I get to carry a Piece wherever I go, so its nice, also My COmpany pays for Israeli Krav Maga and Russian Sambo classes, which whoop almost all other`s :) because they copied all of them.

            What branch were you in? US or Brit?
            You must be Military because you know the “Fatal Funnel”

            Also Logo is our own Bounty Hunter Logo, Metro Bounty Hunters out of Santa Cruz Cali

            Lol yeah people who talked shit dont know anything about real combat or action except maybe Call of Duty :)

            January 30, 2011 at 10:29 pm
          10. Lawl

            Yeah lawl I think most the nerds in Eve who poke fun think anyone who is over 200 lbs of muscle or otherwise is Fat lol because most of them are 125 LBS nerds who can barely life there keyboards.

            It always was a wonder how haters in Eve in general have such mean streaks, it goes from arguing a game to personal insults in less than seconds.

            So ignore the 125 lbs weaklings who consider anyone else than Kate Moss fat, they probably get laid few and far between. With there 8 inch arms its hard to attract girls without layers and layers of clothes.

            January 30, 2011 at 10:46 pm
    2. Wut

      who is storm trying to convince? quick, hide the cake

      January 31, 2011 at 12:37 am Reply
  18. ragePRO


    January 29, 2011 at 12:16 am Reply
    1. BntyHunter

      Rage we have had probs in past, but I really try to be level headed about most things.

      Also Rage really what Alli are you from? Is it Rage?
      I would really want to speak with you without any “Past” stuff muddying it to get your perspective.

      As in everything in life Politics are very very volatile and we say things on boards we dont really mean sometimes.

      January 29, 2011 at 12:37 am Reply
  19. Boris the Spider

    I think PL is milking IT for all their worth. Pl is pussy footing around with the smaller alliances in PB and leaving the big ones–the ones that can really bring the hurt in numbers down on IT Alone.

    So while PL cashes in 10 Bil a month to grief incubating alliances, the tactical situation won’t change all that much unless PL really commits. We saw how that worked out for them last month. So carry on PL, keep giving us the best training possible for our relatively new pilots and we will still be here to and fully rebuild days after you finally leave.

    January 29, 2011 at 1:16 am Reply
    1. BntyHunter

      I really agree somewhat…If PL is working for IT like peeps say then they need to be attacking Dek itself.

      PB residents like FA etc care so much about pleasing Dek that they would lose there PB holdings just to stay in good graces and show them how much they are able to help, also they now have Cloudring and hoping to get some fountan so PB while dealing a ton of kills in the end wont win the war or help take off huge pressure.

      Either Hit CR or Hit Dek and they need to co-ordinate attacks right at same time so you split forces and TBH like I said in my Opinion article, they need to co-ordinate with DRF as well.

      January 29, 2011 at 1:43 am Reply
  20. SG Goonslap

    Goons are an independent Coallition so I think they should deal with IT and PL on theirown, unless of course they wanted to contract NC to assist them. I can safely say that atleast half of NC has no interest in helping Goons and some will simply refuse. I beleive up to the current time the only NC pilots in fleet with Goons are just a small contingent of killmail whores. All this aside, NC really has other things to focus on at the moment in Geminate and really don’t have time for Goons games. It would be smart for PL to use this to their advantage and refrain from attacking NC and provoking them to action from their otherwise indifferent and in many cases disdainfull regard towards Deklein Coalltion.

    January 29, 2011 at 4:36 am Reply
    1. idiot

      what are you talking about goon being assisted by nc? they are nc

      January 30, 2011 at 12:50 am Reply
  21. god speaking

    nah we just put up ghost CSAA and share the reward with pl so we all have something out of it and IT pays there own death !!!

    January 29, 2011 at 5:25 am Reply
  22. Mintrolio



    January 29, 2011 at 6:37 am Reply
  23. smurfslayor

    Have i understood what some are saying? It are pussies for hiring 1300 friends? And they ofc have ccp in their pockets? Riiiight fuckin tin foil hatters , you’re just afraid that they could win, in my opinion.

    January 29, 2011 at 7:59 am Reply
    1. tow bogdan

      Not because of that… Becasue of how sure they were about not having problems to drive Goons away by themselfs. And how they use hated PL to save their asses, after also saying that they have many ideas and will take strategic initiative very soon (ofc by themselfs). BoB is getting more and more pathetic over time, tho ofc, they’re saving their asses from certain destruction, hard to blame them for that. :)

      January 29, 2011 at 9:31 am Reply
  24. BOB vet

    Best article ever written on this website. I should post this on our forums, maybe our crappy leadership wakes the fuck up.

    Another mistake,that manny members agree upon,was killing AAA, long time allies and friends who always fought well for us,except during the north invasion.

    January 29, 2011 at 9:14 am Reply
    1. -A-

      Except you didn´t really kill -A- now did you?

      January 29, 2011 at 11:50 am Reply
  25. tow bogdan

    Very poor pay for PL standards… I wonder why they accept a contract on these rules, and from IT, no other work anywhere?

    January 29, 2011 at 9:28 am Reply
    1. Vuk Laos Love Child

      Desperation act imho to pick on PB and Deklein lesser areas for easy fights and a damage control from their bruised egos losing all of this titans 😛

      IT have no friends so they have to pay for some.. gotta say its a classic which will troll both PL and IT for along time!

      January 29, 2011 at 12:52 pm Reply
  26. Epic

    Read tghe article. I’ve to say it has sence. But I’ve to admit that molle will never do any of this stuff listed above. He’s to errogent to do such thing. All he did was backstabbing people who fought with him against his enemies. Look at -A- now, once they were friendly, now theya re invading Delve/Querious. Goons hitting Fountain. I’m about to start hitting IT supply lines to fountain/delve/querious. I think this alliance will die and reason for that will be narrowminded leadership.

    January 29, 2011 at 10:26 am Reply
  27. The Warmonger

    Test alliance cant stand goons thats a fact – its easy to see KB and Test killing Goons ratters – theres a few kills there worth over 2 bill and some comments on them saying its about time we reset these pathetic goons – have a look – pretty easy to find if u know how to use a search engine – Test will turn and destroy goons after this – i put u isk on it

    January 29, 2011 at 12:52 pm Reply
    1. lawl

      fail IT propaganda trying to turn Goons against TEST.

      January 30, 2011 at 1:48 am Reply
  28. TruthAsIs

    Quite stupid and extremely biased article.
    1. IT brings no SC in battle just because IT knows the result – disaster. Last attempt to use SC by IT give IT nothing except 2 dead titans and 3 dead supercarriers.
    2. GSF is better organized(probably ratting is only thing where IT is still better).
    3. GSF/DC have good FCs. Do you know good IT FC? No.
    4. Morale and numbers. GSF&allies may bring more than 1000 pilots online. What about IT? One hundred? Two hundreds? wow. It will not help against DC.
    5. There are no pets in DC. Just allies. Compare this with bloody IT pets, all those Talos, BLASTS, HUNs, etc. They are just dumb animals.
    6. IT is not Rome, influence of IT on Eve politic is near zero. IT is cemetery of pilots ambitions.

    And, by the way everybody hated BOB, but everybody held BOB in high respect. IT is different stories. They are just clowns, ratting in Delve.

    January 29, 2011 at 1:13 pm Reply
    1. BOB vet

      Riiiiiiight…..Thats why u are so obsessed with us?
      Now, show us on the doll where the big bad clown touched u.

      January 29, 2011 at 1:54 pm Reply
      1. TruthAsIs

        You are so stupid…
        Clowns are most contemptible community in Eve. Whole Eve is acclaiming Goons, because Goons are killing clowns. Clowns are kind of venereal disease.

        January 29, 2011 at 4:09 pm Reply
        1. BOB vet

          Why are u so mad? C`mon, is it because u liked it and wanna be touched again but u are too ashamed of the filthy feelings u gettin`,that u like so much,but u dont want to tell anyone u just want to happen again? And again?
          Now,now, this are not nice thoughts, this are dirty and despicable but if u play nice the big bad clown may do it again. Now go to the corner,kneel and face the wall for 1h as punishment for beeing dirty.

          January 29, 2011 at 4:30 pm Reply
          1. TruthAsIs

            You are so stupi
            Clowns = most contemptible community in Eve. Whole Eve is acclaiming Goons, because Goons are killing clowns. Clowns are kind of venereal disease.

            January 29, 2011 at 5:51 pm
        2. BOB vet

          Why do u repeat yourself? Cant u reason more then one sentence a day? Are u some sort of retard? Do tell,plz. Share with us.

          If u have a problem,take it up with my butt, coz he`s the only one who gives a crap.

          January 29, 2011 at 7:19 pm Reply
    2. Not to nick pick but

      IT lost 2 tit/SC and killed 1. Didn’t lose 5 supers, only 4. Killed one from OWN (nc alliance).

      January 29, 2011 at 4:59 pm Reply
    3. BntyHunter

      Truth this was written before they lost the SC battle.

      Also what ever people say IT is a grandson of BOB who was the Rome of Eve.

      Do you think Rome was loved by people? Hell No but everyone respected there power. Thats what I mean.

      Lastly the Fight would have massively changed if X13 and FInfleet had come to the battle, Titans in Huge Lag battles are King, where as normal smooth engagements SC`s are IMO better, Higher DPS but no cooldown.

      It was good on SC`s but FB`s arent great in those conditions, X13 and Finfleet would have brought around 15 -25 more Titans and 25-35 more SC`s wit halot more Carriers etc, that would have made the fight in IT`s favor, they didnt come to show how important they were to the alliance.

      Also SC`s should have been used alot previously not in huge Defenses but regular fights to keep Dek guessing, of course they had NC batphoned for a huge fight that both sides knew was going to happen.

      I was saying in alot of these fights where goons brought no SC`s or Caps you could Ninja drop on them, and it would have made them think twice about things. But IT passed its time and now Dek is on hi alert 23/7 it seems.

      January 30, 2011 at 2:50 am Reply
  29. Rage Cage

    At all POS have been offlined by IT spies within GSF.

    That is all. No grand conspiracy here.

    January 29, 2011 at 2:53 pm Reply
  30. ohnoes
    January 29, 2011 at 6:49 pm Reply
  31. Gossip Whore

    49-U6U i-hub destroyed and station in final reinforced today.

    January 30, 2011 at 12:35 am Reply
  32. He just anameless goon pet

    He is just another nameless Gewn or gewn pet, actually I have noticed the Pets are the most vicious as they are in real life.

    Also since Goons dont need to brag as bad but Pets have small E-Peni they usually try to make fun of others in failed attemps.

    I do think is very funny how the Dek Pets or NC Pets who talk shit about Hisec`rs think they are much better, they are protected by there masters just like HISEC dwellers are by concord.

    I agree he looks like he would beat your Arse, and give you a solid thrashing.

    But you could bite him maybe like the dirty ass goon pet you are.

    January 30, 2011 at 12:46 am Reply
    1. Vuk Laos Love Child

      u mad bro? don’t hold your feelings back let it out… cry your little heart out we won’t think less of you for it

      January 30, 2011 at 12:37 pm Reply
  33. bobbit

    the 4 sources are second hand sources going back to a first source..

    read: you got trolled awesomely

    January 30, 2011 at 1:26 am Reply
  34. Molle has lost his mind & has NO IDEA!

    You know PL have been screwed in a way as they failed to get something for each super they lose, had they done that they would probably now be the richest group in the game! They are elite at how to not use supers.

    I think that when an entity the size of IT alliance has to go hiring the likes of PL to save them there is something really wrong within their ranks.

    Having 1 person that is actually capable of running things & 5000 or 6000 that are drones doesn’t work & it will bite back just like what happened with Atlas & No Hope Bobby.

    Wonder what IT would do if PL back stabbed them & went on a campaign to bring them down also? (Apart from crying & carrying on I mean)

    January 30, 2011 at 1:49 am Reply
    1. BOB vet

      Yes, coz we are very well known for our crying and bitching and whining all the time on every forum. Oh waaaaaiiii….

      January 30, 2011 at 10:47 am Reply
  35. Eve GM

    The logs show nothing.

    Have a nice day.

    January 30, 2011 at 4:35 pm Reply
  36. Lawl

    Yeah lawl I think most the nerds in Eve think anyone who is over 200 lbs of muscle or otherwise is Fat lol because most of them are 125 LBS nerds who can barely life there keyboards.

    It always was a wonder how haters in Eve in general have such mean streaks, it goes from arguing a game to personal insults in less than seconds.

    So ignore the 125 lbs weaklings who consider anyone else than Kate Moss fat, they probably get laid few and far between.

    January 30, 2011 at 10:44 pm Reply
  37. […] how does this save the day for IT? In a recent article Chad Mesiroff articulated some very prescient views on the situation in Fountain and IT (I’m sure one the […]

    January 31, 2011 at 9:22 am
  38. Tacony


    now PL has finally hit bottom… to accept a contract from the ones that royally f*** you up with a pleasure moment, is really the last thing someone would do…
    It is hard to understand that PL troops actually stay on for this, even Phreeze has to have enough honour left to see that (I would have guessed)….
    But well, getting raped changes people…

    January 31, 2011 at 10:13 am Reply
  39. […] Pandemic Legion redeployed to X-7OMU in Pure Blind after being driven out of Venal; the alliance is currently under contract to IT to kill CSAAs and supercapitals in the area (while overall contract details may possibly be […]

    January 31, 2011 at 11:27 am
  40. IT Vict- Oh wait.

    "his predictions seemed too outlandish even for EVE News 24"

    I didn't think there was such a thing.

    February 4, 2011 at 6:10 pm Reply

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