When Test Alliance Please Ignore (TEST) were dropped before extended downtime in Delve (NEWS24 here – http://www.evenews24.com/2010/11/02/gm-intervenes-and-kills-14-test-tcu%C2%B4s/ and http://www.evenews24.com/2010/11/02/ccp-gm-answer-to-test/), they were all destroyed with the remark:

Hi there,

I am writing you in regards to a number of TCUs which were anchored by your alliance a few minutes prior to Tranquility being taken down for an extended patch deployment downtime today. This rather ingenious timing on your part did give you an unfair advantage of sorts as any potential player entities which could’ve disputed these sovereignty claims were unable to do so due to the onlining period of the TCUs almost exclusively coinciding with the server downtime.

In light of this we will be offlining the TCUs in question and your alliance will need to re-online them should you wish to obtain sovereignty in the systems affected. Thank you for your attention.

Best regards,
Senior GM Lelouch
EVE Online Customer Support

CCP also labeled the tactic as an ‘exploit’ and threatened to ban anyone who continues to use it.

Today, 2 minutes before extended downtime due to Incursion (edited) Patch deployement IT Alliance (IT) drops SBU´s in 9R4-EJ (Fountain) and after server got back up sieged the system without any problems. There were 2 SBU’s onlined during the extended DT and 2 more were onlined after the extended DT in total.

Several TEST members contacts various blog sites and game magazines (Massively etc.), which made CCP take the cause seriously suddenly. TALOS Coalition onlined a TCU during the down time as well.

CCP response after the threadnaught on forums and several petitions is:

Hello everyone. SBUs found violating the rules regarding extended downtime were removed; thank you for the petitions with information regarding this incident. Remember that in the event something happens along these lines the best thing to do is file an exploit petition with information about the situation and where it’s taking place. Take care and fly safe everyone.

Best regards,
Senior GM Nythanos
The EVE Online Customer Support Tea

We won´t know how CCP would reacted, if there wasn´t the public forcing them to do the right thing. Rules should apply to everyone and i think CCP isn´t very skillful at diplomacy and social abilities. Especially in such causes, where their image towards the player base is at stake.

Clearly there is only one easy solution. Stop counting time during downtime. Problem solved. I hope this arrives in some of the upcoming patches.

128 Comments

  1. Rak

    By this point in time a responsible journalist would correct the errors in their original report.

    January 19, 2011 at 10:09 pm Reply
  2. Just a pet!!

    This site is a joke, maybe time for a balanced site to be put up. You should change the name from Eve News to NC Propaganda.

    January 20, 2011 at 2:20 am Reply
  3. mmo doug

    `CCP response after the threadnaught on forums and several (thousand) petitions is:`

    January 20, 2011 at 3:11 am Reply
  4. Common sense

    Let me let you in on a secret kiddies, CCP is a company like all companies they only care about money. They don’t give a fuck about test, IT or any other alliance so cry more pls.

    January 20, 2011 at 7:49 am Reply
  5. Space Harrier

    Let’s be honest about this, CCP don’t like TEST, or Goons. And that’s because they behave like utter twats and babies, lowering the tone of this game for everyone. If I worked for CCP I’d tell TEST and Goons to effectively fuck off too :)

    Simples!

    January 20, 2011 at 12:19 pm Reply
  6. Shoikan

    Though I agree with the fact that all should be treated equal, CCP still is made up out of people. And people make mistakes (even when they should not). Ah well, tough noogies.

    As for stopping time during downtimes… They are working to stop requiring downtimes at all… Let’s hope they get that down sooner rather than later (if only to be able to play 24/7 instead of 23.5/7)..

    January 20, 2011 at 1:07 pm Reply
    1. Captain Hindsight

      They’re working on eliminating daily downtimes, not patch downtimes. So there will still be extended downtimes for things like this, that will be exploited in this way, and then corrected when and if someone complains.

      January 21, 2011 at 12:48 am Reply
  7. Darkblad

    When Test Alliance Please Ignore (TEST) were dropped before extended downtime in Delve, they were all destroyed.

    […]

    Today, 2 minutes before extended downtime due to Incursion (edited) Patch deployement IT Alliance (IT) drops SBU´s in 9R4-EJ [… and] SBUs found violating the rules regarding extended downtime were removed.

    So much for the facts.

    What would’ve happened if no one had petitioned the IT SBU’s remains pure speculation. Also – assuming the possibility that TEST TCU’s also got deleted only in reacton to petitions filed by opposing players – what would’ve happened to TEST SBU’s?

    Did you dig deeper to find the cause for the downing of the TEST structures? No reference to it.
    Stop accusing CCP of being IT biased while being TEST biased yourself

    January 20, 2011 at 1:30 pm Reply
  8. bobbit

    so in both cases, after petitions, the sovereignity structures where removed?
    where is the bias there?

    January 20, 2011 at 7:25 pm Reply
    1. Che Guevara

      In the article, didn’t you read it?!

      January 20, 2011 at 8:56 pm Reply
  9. Binary

    CCP is working for BOB erm … IT. Wait I’ve heard this before, riiiiiiight, stop reporting four year old news.

    January 21, 2011 at 4:06 am Reply
  10. Segway

    If we really want to point fingers, Gentlemans Club anchor SBU’s which would come online during the extended downtime in YVBE-

    January 21, 2011 at 4:24 am Reply
  11. Whateverlol

    Apparently IT dropped SBU’s in one of Goonswarms fountain systems 2 hours before DT today.

    Expect to see a threadnaught about it on caod as the coalition goons are part of apparently couldnt match the 20 man IT gang that placed them and will be petitionspamming instead.

    January 21, 2011 at 2:17 pm Reply
  12. Cost you 10 Bil

    To get this whole sorry issue resolved.

    January 21, 2011 at 7:22 pm Reply
  13. No one important

    Perhaps a simple rule-change: don’t allow SBU’s to begin onlining x amount of time prior to downtime. Alternately, pause the onlining process during downtime. Both would require code changes, but would remove the exploitative nature of this tactic.

    January 24, 2011 at 3:47 am Reply
  14. psy

    “Clearly there is only one easy solution. Stop counting time during downtime. Problem solved. I hope this arrives in some of the upcoming patches.”

    Fail. ^^

    this would mess with character training server wide, as characters keep training 24/7 no matter what, u stop the counters and everything stops. skill training, REINFORCED TIMERS everything and anything with a timer on it

    it would break too mnay things to make it even remotely plausible

    “Rules should apply to everyone ….” <- EQUALLY
    ^^ agree on that point

    January 26, 2011 at 4:04 am Reply

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