The supercapital construction system of B-R5RB (Immensea) was the stage for another huge drama in the conflict in the south. Already a nyx in construction was destroyed VIDEO:, Another CSAA had been reinforced in-system and was timed by INIT come out in late US timezone.

So far IT Alliance and The Initiative. have been able to use their numbers in the US timezone to save assets and reinforce StainWagon structures. Things changed this week, when Test Alliance Please Ignore (TEST) announced their move to Curse in order to fight INIT. TEST  are primarily a US TZ alliance. This could potentially cause serious harm to IT/INIT plans in the US TZ. It is difficult to judge the impact TEST will have in supporting StainWagon given the inexperience, and that this is TEST Alliance’s first major deployment without Goonswarm Federation.

TEST showed up with surprisingly big numbers and occupied the B-R5RB system. They proceeded to kill all the guns/modules on the CSAA tower in system, bubbling up on the tower. INIT demonstrated a weak presence with low numbers in system. Intel suggested that an IT/INIT capital fleet of repping carriers/supercapitals was on standby to be dropped. StainWagon (SW) and loyal Providence forces of Important Internet Spaceship League and Dirt Nap Squad. also appeared, bringing the SW/TEST numbers to 400.

Once the Tower came out of reinforced, a cyno was lit. INIT/IT carriers jumped into the system with support and immediately began fighting the SW/TEST fleet. Due to the numbers and bubble placement of TEST/SW, INIT support was wiped out as their carriers moved toward the CSAA tower to begin repping, attempting to stop the TEST/SW forces from destroying the structure. The logistic teams of both fleets are able to repair each other and heavy repping from the INIT carrier fleet stalls the damage to the tower by TEST/SW. Heavy lag sets in and pilots report being forced to manually cycle modules.

TEST/SW concentrated all firepower on the tower and finally managed to break through the reps of INIT/IT and destroy the tower. Seconds before the tower goes down, the IT segment of the carrier fleets jump out of system, leaving the remaining INIT carriers to their fate. Most of them are killed on the tower. With the CSAA destroyed TEST/SW loot the field before leaving system.

As usual the big question now is what did the CSAA contain? Was it empty (as some INIT sources suggest) or did it contain a baby Titan or Supercarrier. The desperation actions of the INIT capital fleet attempting to save the tower, which included several suicide triage carriers, suggests the latter. EN24 sources also suggest that it was an INIT Titan in build.

Summary from Montolio (TEST) for EN24:

Got into destination system by 3:30
Rape caged station with large T2 bubbles
Disabled both jump bridged
defanged tower
for CSAA
and then put 2 large T2 bubbles on the CSAA tower
INIT/IT took down the jammer and cynoed in a bunch of carriers + subcap fleet on the jammer tower, which was mostly ECM
We engaged them on the tower, killed the battleships first, picked off some BCs next
IT/INIT started hovering in and out of the shields, so we warped off
Went to CSAA, started shooting
IT/INIT warped carriers to the opposite side of the CSAA and started to rep the tower
Our DPS was too high for the carriers, we slowly whittled away at the CSAA
IT carriers cyno’ed out leaving INIT behind
Drakes burned down and tackled INIT carriers
INIT started to self destruct all the carriers while we were killing them
Stainwagon showed up about ~20 minutes before the CSAA was out, so sometime around 05:00, they alarm clocked for it I believe

Battle Summary:
for B-R5RB, 2010-12-10 03:28 – 06:49

Kills: 200
Losses: 96
Damage done (ISK): 30.01B – 30011.57M
Damage received (ISK): 4.15B – 4145.1M
Efficiency: 87.86%

System lcoation:

KB links:

Battlereport by FinalShowdown – TEST (link)

On 2010/12/08 TEST began their first strategic assault against The Initiative. with the reinforcement of a CSAA POS in B-R5RB (Kicking an NC. gang’s backside during an intermission), while trying out the new “alphafleet” doctrine for the first time. INIT was unable to adjust their strontium timer before the POS was reinforced, and as such the POS was scheduled to come out during US Prime–much to the benefit of TEST. The following day, word was quickly spread by INIT that the CSAAs were empty, contrary to TEST intel.

Last night, 2010/12/10, TEST and the numerous southern alliances fighting with them formed up early with a strong shield/alpha fleet with large numbers of tackle/ecm/logi support and proceeded to B-R5RB. TEST gained control of the system through the placement of bubbles and the incapacitation of both jump bridges, while waiting for the POS timer to end. As the POS came out of reinforcement, a cyno beacon appeared and a INIT/IT fleet jumped in with a fleet consisting of repping carriers, miscellaneous battleships, and drakes. TEST & Co. warped to the beacon and proceeded to slowly dismantle the INIT/IT support fleet, who were unable to break TEST logi. INIT/IT repping carriers took advantage of this distraction to warp to a position under the POS and began repping the “empty” POS. The TEST FC then made the decision to abandon the remaining enemy support and carriers at the beacon, and warped the TEST fleet to a position above the POS. With carriers already beginning to rep the tower, TEST concentrated all DPS onto the tower in an attempt to out-DPS the carrier’s repping capabilities, while sending frigates and interdictors to tackle the carriers. TEST slowly chewed away at the POS, and eventually it began to break. Realizing that failure was a possibility, IT carriers began jumping out of system, leaving INIT carriers in TEST’s merciless grasp. With the tower losing reps, it burned, and the CSAA was destroyed. DPS was shifted to the remanining INIT carriers, and they all quickly died-in-a-fire. Field was looted and TEST & Co. turned in for the night. Entire operation lasted nearly five hours.

Battlereport by TrojanMan – IT (link)

formed up with init. CSAA was coming out in USTZ prime (WTF???) so our normal we will drop penis caps was suspect.

bridged in about 150 support… lag hit like a hammer. INIT didn’t reinforce node and at 500 in local system went ape shit. Personally took me 5 min to load system and my ship was unresponsive, had to relog. thankfully I didn’t die.

Manual cycling of guns was a must, test alone had approx 40-50 maelstroms and they made a huge difference.

our bridge put us on a cyno jammer pos, carriers began repping sub caps and shooting primaries with fighters. FC chose not to send caps immediately to pos to rep it up for whatever reason. With the amount of caps on field sending all of them to CSAA and entering triage would have allowed repping in one triage cycle. Instead caps jacked eachother off on jammer pos while our support fleet, outnumbered, was slowly whittled down. INIT triaged 4 carriers on the CSAA, but with the horrendous lag it wasn’t enough to rep pos.

Eventually IT FC warped capitals to CSAA POS (after the drake blob warped there) and started repping, but with lag and no triage it wasn’t enough. Eventually IT jumped out, but INIT caps were tackled on pos and died.

Poor call to not triage all caps on the pos at the onset, poor call to stront for USTZ and poor call to not reinforce node. Any one of those may have changed the outcome of the battle. Lag did save our sub caps from slaughter, but it also made repping the pos with the shitty number of carriers that were repping almost impossible. Maelstroms alpha worked well in the lag. Suicide triaging the carriers would have been well worth it assuming the CSAA’s had supers cooking.

GF to all though.

Battlereport by Vorrk – BDEAL (link

The early stage was a lot of grinding. We took out two jump bridges in the system and then slammed all of the defenses at the target tower. With as many ships as we had, each weapon went down but there were a lot of guns to grind through. There was a problem before the battle with non-blues joining the field, so we had to establish proper discipline on firing.

We joined battle at a cyno just before the tower came out of reinforced, where IT and INIT had jump bridged a fleet with carrires in onto another tower. The battle was incredibly laggy, requiring manual weapon cycling. After a while, people started getting into the ryhthm of it, but the enemy fleet primaried (including carriers and fighters) our pivot (a command ship). Despite the blistering firepower and our pivot dipping into deep shields, our logistics cruisers kept him alive. The battle was actually NOT the laggiest I’ve ever been in. Grid loaded almost immediately as we came in, and the module lag wasn’t as bad as I’ve seen. At its peak, over 500 combatants were on the field.

Titan Deconstruction
Once the FC was satisfied with beating down the enemy fleet, we left them behind and moved on to the titan’s cradle tower. The enemy responded by warping in their carriers and desperately trying to shield boost the tower while sending fighters after our fleet. We kept to the opposite side of the shield to make life harder on them, while slowly winning the DPS battle on the tower.

Carrier Turkey Shoot
As the tower started going down, we started bubbling their carriers and moving the fleet in after them. As soon as the first set of bubbles went down, IT Alliance jumped out their carriers without telling The Initiative. The remaining 14 carriers (all Initiative) were quickly tackled by the remains of the skirmish/tackle fleet and annihilated over the course of 10 minutes.

We looted the field, popped the remaining wrecks and tower modules, and went home.)


  1. brochacho

    1st faggot.

    December 11, 2010 at 2:06 pm Reply
    1. Troll

      sweet input to the topic douchebag

      December 11, 2010 at 3:49 pm Reply
      1. brochacho

        you are right.

        December 11, 2010 at 4:38 pm Reply
        1. brochacho

          lol nice edit job

          December 12, 2010 at 3:12 am Reply
  2. -a- grunt

    Again they loose caps hope there wallets are as deep as there insanity

    December 11, 2010 at 2:20 pm Reply
    1. Dumb fool. Our wallets are as juicy as your mothers c*nt

      December 13, 2010 at 11:15 am Reply
  3. Lemming

    there was no INIT Titan in build

    December 11, 2010 at 2:23 pm Reply
    1. Farging Icehole

      There is no spoon!

      December 11, 2010 at 2:47 pm Reply
    2. Hock

      Yes, because everyone knows you send a 50 carrier fleet and suicide triage several carriers to defend an empty CSAA.

      December 11, 2010 at 6:14 pm Reply

    I do have an alt in INIT on the production side. I can confirm it was a baby titan.

    December 11, 2010 at 2:36 pm Reply

      I do have an alt in INIT on the production side. I can confirm it wasn’t a baby titan.

      December 11, 2010 at 6:33 pm Reply

        I do have an alt in empire space. I can confirm you’re both faggots.

        December 12, 2010 at 9:45 pm Reply
  5. ummm

    god back to hating this site… i was so proud when we finally got a anti -A- story last week…. just curious why is the headline “baby titan” if no one really knows what was in there? ohhh right to stir propaganda/ hype up stories……

    December 11, 2010 at 2:49 pm Reply
    1. Southerner

      Well risking dozens of carriers jumping into a heavily camped system to save an empty tower just does not seem very convincing.

      December 11, 2010 at 3:18 pm Reply
      1. lulz

        And looks like squeezing those INITITs is fun for the whole family ))

        December 11, 2010 at 3:44 pm Reply
      2. IT Member

        or bad intel ?

        December 11, 2010 at 8:25 pm Reply
        1. sour

          yeah and in order to maintain the myth u guyz send and lose a shitload of carriers. nice, we believe u xD

          December 12, 2010 at 2:21 pm Reply
    2. A

      We know there was a Titan in it as it was confirmed by your side also. And the side only has Pro AAA+SW treads because you guys haven had a SINGLE achievement except from reinforcing the systems you lost by retarded sov transfer.

      December 11, 2010 at 3:53 pm Reply
      1. ummm

        all that weve done is take back those systems? how about reinforcing all of impass? or holding off every futile attempt from you guys to take stations? where on the defensive dumbass… what have you done?

        December 11, 2010 at 4:25 pm Reply
        1. Monkey

          “what have you done?”

          Put you on the defensive.

          December 11, 2010 at 8:30 pm Reply
        2. Pilot

          Learn how to spell.. for fucks sake!!!

          December 13, 2010 at 4:46 am Reply
    3. News Reader

      Do not hate the site, hate yourself for not successfully defending the tower. Loser.

      December 11, 2010 at 4:47 pm Reply
  6. Scotsman

    I like the views from diffreant sides of the fight, good battle report and good show of force from TEST in there first solo campaign. Grats

    December 11, 2010 at 2:50 pm Reply
    1. Tests first SOLO campaign..

      Ye they all out here on their lonesome.


      December 11, 2010 at 3:23 pm Reply
      1. James T Dirk

        Learn to read retard. It says TEST first solo campaign with ought Goonswarm. So its the correct use of the work in this sentence.

        December 11, 2010 at 3:55 pm Reply
        1. “I like the views from diffreant sides of the fight, good battle report and good show of force from TEST in there first solo campaign. Grats”

          Yes I am the one with reading impairment.

          December 11, 2010 at 4:11 pm Reply
      2. Scotsman

        TESTs other campaigns were with Goons and the DC, the article says TEST were first in system with a large fleet before any other blues arrived.
        And realy there was no need for insult there was there.

        December 11, 2010 at 4:53 pm Reply
        1. Being first in system hardly counts as “first solo campaign”

          Just sayin.

          December 11, 2010 at 5:13 pm Reply
          1. poastin toaster

            why are you so mad, bro?

            December 11, 2010 at 5:43 pm
    2. I wanna make isk

      I lol’d when I read that IT left INIT carriers to be killed. Having friends is nice; but if you can’t actively defend large sov space, then your gonna loose majority of the time. That goes for both sides of the conflict. IT slapped INIT in the face with this one and I wouldn’t be surprised if when INIT looses space, some of the corps join up with TEST or AAAC to take over Delve and Querious. I’m hoping TEST cause their pro. :)

      December 11, 2010 at 4:05 pm Reply
      1. somedude

        SO IT should have just stayed and died with them in solidarity? Brilliant idea.

        December 11, 2010 at 6:33 pm Reply
        1. I wanna make isk

          Mistakes are being made on both sides. What is a concern to the rest of the community is that IT pulled out at a critical moment when their friends needed them the most. An alliance as massive as IT should have been able to compensate all loses during that engagement; which they didn’t and that’s unfortunate. It would have spoken volumes if IT leadership spoke out on comms to hold the field even if that meant getting carriers killed. The INIT and IT bonds would have been solidified by that simply act of brotherhood and togetherness. War is a nasty business and if you’re not willing to go the distance for your allies then why even bother showing up. IT has made their final critical mistake and the sov maps will definitely be a different color in D&Q by spring.

          Of course I’m just speculating and my opinion is laughable at times even to myself.

          December 11, 2010 at 7:08 pm Reply
          1. Bitter CH Vet

            You are a slanted Testist-Cle.

            1st It wasnt crucial timing, they were gonna lose anyways.

            2nd Most other Alli`s would have left them on there own ever since IT has outnumbered Init in FLeets by 2-3 Times.

            Its not even there space, and while they are losing Fountain they stay and fight, and what really did they lose 10+ or minus a few Carriers, that were in wrong timezone?

            As said before mistakes on both sides, but all in all this isnt some Huge demoralizing loss.

            Also why would init Put Csaa`s that were cooking huge things in a border zone? Why not Immens where AAA woudnt get them? Awnser they didnt, so unless Someone has proof, you know the things you used to need to post stories, I cant believe it was a Titan.

            December 11, 2010 at 7:46 pm
          2. I wanna make isk

            You make a valid point, if there was something of great value then they would have fielded more then what was there. I think we can all agree there was something of value and that’s why the composition of the fleet was created. I guess one could also say that if INIT really wanted that POS, then they would have showed up in force. Then again, why cry wolf to an ally, have them field a massive fleet, only to defend an empty csaa?

            “2nd Most other Alli`s would have left them on there own ever since IT has outnumbered Init in FLeets by 2-3 Times.”

            There in lies the problem. IT and INIT are not balanced correctly with regards to war. It’s one thing to show up with fancy ships, it’s another thing to use them for actual engagements. It’s one thing to boast that you have massive pilots in your alliance, it’s another thing to show up with small fleets.

            As I said before in another thread, the deciding factor will be if the drone region (russians) become involved in the conflict. Well, it’s now reported that the Red Alliance and friends are taking over some of INIT space. INIT did not rightfully take space and it shows. They will not be able to defend their own space and IT needs to remove their Caps from the field and start preparing for the MASSIVE invasion that will be occurring soon.

            Dig those trenches IT and stock up on supplies cause you have now been put on notice!!

            December 12, 2010 at 5:12 am
  7. Dutchman

    [quote]As usual the big question now is what did the CSAA contain? Was it empty (as some INIT sources suggest) or did it contain a baby Titan or Supercarrier. The desperation actions of the INIT capital fleet attempting to save the tower, which included several suicide triage carriers, suggests the latter.[/quote]

    I believe it is not up to you to speculate about what was or was not in that CSAA.

    December 11, 2010 at 4:15 pm Reply
    1. Bugaga

      Why not? Every posters do speculate, so why author cannot provide his opinion?
      No offence, but in the same way I may tell you that I believe it is not up to you to speculate about what author may do and what he may not. You condemned author, but you did the same.

      December 11, 2010 at 4:25 pm Reply
    2. Deniera

      Media outlets speculate all the time.

      December 11, 2010 at 4:26 pm Reply
      1. please realize that this website ‘media outlet’ is entirely one sided in almost every article, it’s very biased, also media outlets should not speculate they should report facts and sometimes do interpretation, speculation/bias are reasons this site is not very good

        December 11, 2010 at 4:30 pm Reply
      2. Dutchman

        Perhaps, but that doesn’t mean they should. If you wish to be an objective reporter, in my opinion you should leave all the speculating to the readers.

        December 11, 2010 at 4:33 pm Reply
        1. lulz

          Tell that to FoxNews tbh)) Not sure from what imaginary world you are coming from))

          December 11, 2010 at 5:21 pm Reply
          1. somedude

            be sure to tell it to MSNBC too.

            December 11, 2010 at 6:35 pm
        2. Airdefense

          Did they
          1) lose a nyx/baby Titan
          2) fail
          3) lose a bunch of carriers
          4) did IT jump out to save carriers/supers

          I don’t call it one sided reporting I see fact.

          December 11, 2010 at 5:43 pm Reply
    3. Lorren Canada

      What? Are journalists not longer allowed to put 2 and 2 together theses days, cause it might hurt someone’s sensibilities?

      I didn’t see it as speculating, so much as stating the obvious.

      December 11, 2010 at 5:10 pm Reply
  8. Pepo

    Iam really wondering about tomorrow articles 😀 how AAA bravely defended their stations 😀

    December 11, 2010 at 5:14 pm Reply
    1. Komolov

      You’ll be surprised by headlines.

      December 11, 2010 at 5:29 pm Reply
    2. Everyone

      Im sure it goes… “Init did not have the balls to take 68FT”

      December 11, 2010 at 6:10 pm Reply
  9. tow bogdan

    Damn, when TEST first announced their move into Catch I didn’t know what to think, but it seams that their help really makes a difference, they show up suprisingly with strong and well-composed fleets. Good Job Testies! :)

    December 11, 2010 at 6:03 pm Reply
  10. Bestest Spai

    I heard a 3rd party is building carriers/drakes/rapiers in massive amounts for Init/IT for free – pretty good intel as i have never been wrong but will try and find more out – am 99% sure who it is but cannot confirm until i am 100% sure

    December 11, 2010 at 6:26 pm Reply
  11. Bestest Spai

    oops sorry – found out more – carriers they gettin for 350 mill and its scimi’s not rapiers – my bad

    December 11, 2010 at 6:28 pm Reply
  12. Helm

    Im red to IT but how the fuck can you title a new with “baby titan down” and finish the report with “the big question now is what did the CSAA contain?”.
    Fuck learn to investigate and let the especulation behind.

    December 11, 2010 at 6:33 pm Reply
  13. i wish that i could say, i wish that i could be your…

    December 11, 2010 at 8:14 pm Reply
  14. Minitit

    There was never ever a single CSAA shot down that was building anything other than a Titan lol.

    December 11, 2010 at 8:53 pm Reply
  15. M

    There was not titan. There was, in fact no battle. This was just a test/troll. Please ignore this entire article.

    Also, if the non-existent IT/INIT cap fleet had decided to triage up, instead of bailing, then the non-existent TEST/Stainwagon gang would not have been able to out dps the reps. After all, it was theoretically 52 carriers.

    Also, there was also not reports from non-existent multitude of spies in various INIT/IT locations that there was indeed no baby titan. This fictional butt hurt was entirely created by pro-TEST/anti-IT propaganda spies for the purpose of informing the EVE world about fictional internet spaceship battles.

    December 12, 2010 at 12:03 am Reply
  16. Zak Z

    You people whine about everything.

    Everyone whines about one sided BR’s.
    You get a post with many BR’s (from diff’t sides) so then,
    You whine about some pretty reasonable speculation on the part of our journalist.


    December 12, 2010 at 4:01 am Reply
  17. some body

    How is this still top news?

    GOONS losing enough isk to make 2 Super Carriers with a fight efficiency of near 10%. AT THEIR PEAK TIME /o\

    December 12, 2010 at 12:27 pm Reply
    1. Bort

      Why you no read article? GOONS no involved with op and TEST be super efficient.

      December 13, 2010 at 2:04 am Reply

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