Welcome to Part 2 of our RMT Uncovered series. Today we´ll try to introduce you to the basic system and mechanics of RMT. Don´t forget to check Part 1 of the series
Part 1: Former AAA Leader explains
Part 2: Introduction and examples
Part 3: Interview with biggest RMTrader

We should start with what you will need. A pc, software and some brain (well its really simple so a little bit of brain). Talking about the bot program, there was an evolution in the bot software. It started with simple bot, that needed to “read” pixels, and control the mouse in order to be usefull.
Iam sure many reader will know that from start of ads in internet, where such bots were used to make money. This program is called – H-bot (Promotional video here – http://reboot.gr/index.php?page=14).

About 6 months ago a new software has been launched, that can read directly the client, isnt using the mouse and can disable graphic rendition. This means, you can run 4-8 bots on a good PC without any problems as the use of CPU/RAM is much lower compared to the normal Eve graphical client. Before with mouse control, you could use one bot per machine. Now this limitation is gone and huge productivity increase is happening.

UPDATED: Such programs should be for more than 2 years on the market. Thx unknown email sender :)

Our nest guest for interview – will be published tomorrow – is using this setup. 3 PC´s with 4 bots each – together 12 bots at once, and uses teamviewer to save money for monitors.
YOu can even run such system over mobile devices etc. (http://www.teamviewer.com/index.aspx)

Software used for this:

innerspace +isxeve

New multiclient software:

Price of innerspace as 3 months subscription is around 19 $.

Now what can such bot do?
Pretty much anything you can think about. If it is killed, it goes in pod back to tower and grabs a new raven. It can deposit all loot to selected cans/hangars. It can divide loot from faction to normal ones. It can refill ammo, warp out, warp in, choose which NPC´s to attack, chain spawns, look only for faction or officer spawns, you can skip belts if there is someone friendly and so on.

What is required from you? Bring jump freighter every once 2 weeks and pick up stuff / bring new ammo/ ships and pos fuel.

Can they do missions and wormholes?
Absolutely. Very easily scripted all lvl 3,4,5 missions and as bots are connected with IRC, they can even send you updates, how they are doing. As our friend told us, he gets every now and than sms to his cell phone….HEY I Found a officer item. Sweet isn´t it. Bots follow exact path or you can programm alternative ones if you want. So even if missions gets random, thats easy as eating a cake to master.

Bots work as a team as well. One can mine, other can pick up ore and move it few systems away and back. One can scout, other can rat. They can take on sleepers and repair each other, you can precisely set what level of capacitor and armor/shield damage should be used to determine, when to do something.

Bots can even pvp, and help you pvpv with like 10 chars is cool. Imagine 10 motherships ddrops on you and they all operated by 1 guy…ridiculous but reality. YOu can use traget broadcasts to let them fight, deploy fighters, anything. For FC´s having automated scouts is golden and they can report much faster and more precisely than any human scout. Plus no spies as its you and you and you.

Where should i put the bots? It doesn´t really matter, for example Stain is run literally by bots and no need to pay rent. But be ready than many of those are guarded by players :). Competition for best system can be fierce. YOu can rent a system (former Atlas nowadays WN renter heaven is heaven for them as well.) YOu can make a corporation of bots and apply to some shit alliances and they will accept you (why wouldn´t them when you show you have 10 titans or if you just started, will supply free ships for the alliance or just throw few billions isk monthly – you are a nice guy or girl and like to share).

So the question is how much money you can make and how you get the isk changed into RL cash. Its very simple. Going through middle man is for those without connections or starting in the business. But as CCP tracks the transactions, many of these “chinese” isk sellers started bypassing this limitation, by telling the isk makers (bot masters) to sell isk directly to the customer. Well one day you will come with this, why do i need the chinese, as i know the customer. Voila and you sell without any broker charges. Don´t do it too sonn though, first build some nice customer list.

Is there enough demand?
Yes it is. Due to nature of Eve and actually being one of the hardest markets to make ISK (compared to other mmorpgs) you will always find more customers than ISK at hand. At least thats the situation right now. Things can change quickly, and over time usually price decreases slowly (in 1 year about 30% of value). But after some massive bans of idiots (people who just transferred 50billions every day here and back) by CCP price for example increased for some time. The price varies, but its around 30 dollars per billion isk. Money is transferred through paypal mostly and don´t bother to tax it or report it. If you use chinese, you make screenshot of the transaction and they pay from what the customer paid them. How much per bot and month. It varies again but await around 20-25 billions isk per character (if you run like my friend 12 characters its 250-300billions monhtly).

Its very simple and clear. For more informations you can visit http://www.reboot.gr/ site, the “official” eve bot community. Its dominated by russians, so better know how to speak it, but google translator makes here a good service as well. English forums part of it as well.

So what is safe ammount to transfer?
0,2-1,2 billions and you should always work through contracts with items (as CCP is less touchy about such transactions). If you need to move large ammount from your bot accounts? Hmm use chribba and sell between chars motherships and titans, its easy and CCP considers Chribba clean and thus you just legalized 50-250 billions isk. CCP pretty much overlooks anything related with Chribba due to his community status, so thats a way how to do it (note: Chribba mostly doesn´t know where the isk comes from and there is no reason why he should care if he does, in the end, hes just the middleman in the business). Don´t do it too often though.

When comparing the different methods in turning in game stuff into cash, this is the hierarchy: ISK, characters, ships and modules. Stuff like titan are openly sold for around 2000 dollars per piece on auction sites or through contacts/contracts. Be aware of the risks though, as delivering bigger amounts of cash through paypal versus digital items you cant proove you delivered can make the customer accuse you by paypal and without your proof, your cash is gone and virtual stuff too. Sites for reselling of accounts/ships/mods/etc is www.realpoor.com. If you use it, have good clients, that made several transaction with you already. As many people were scammed in this so be careful. Start with small transactions first and always watch out…..like in any business.

How is this even possible you might ask. Well “local” is only a visible tool for you as client builder, your client knows already that someone jumped into the system, cause the node already sent such information to the client. Point is, at current software level the client is wild open and can be as such used for this easily by the software above and thus enable previously unseen automatisation.

Removing local as some players suggest won´t change anything, as local is just a graphical interface for you to interact with. There are ways how to prevent it, but that will be in latter parts of this series. And also why CCP is perfectly fine with current situation.

Tomorrow be ready for our special guest, guy who made 50.000+ Euros in few months through RMT. And changed eve political landscaped with rest isk so much, that it shows, that one man with large wallet can make ten thousands of eve players do what he pleases to do.


  1. unknown

    “About 6 months ago a new software has been launched, that can read directly the client, isnt using the mouse and can disable graphic rendition. This means, you can run 4-8 bots on a good PC without any problems as the use of CPU/RAM is much lower compared to the normal Eve graphical client. ”

    You should research abit more sir. There are software out able to manipulate eve while its being in the memory and full bots with that kind of technology have been deployed already 2 years ago.
    Also 10+ clients isnt a problem.

    December 5, 2010 at 12:01 am Reply
    1. unknown

      Did a research its even more than 3 years. Sorry for the wrong statement. :-)

      December 5, 2010 at 12:09 am Reply
    2. Someguy

      Bravo on getting the dirty laundry out in the open. Now for CCP’s reaction. Lets hope they don’t choose to go for the t20 ‘kill the messenger’ route they’ve enjoyed employing so much in the past.

      The bots need to stop. Here’s the last vestige of your plausible deniablity being stripped away CCP.

      December 5, 2010 at 5:34 pm Reply
  2. dfbdfs

    isxeve was available for long ago, but it was shit.

    You would need to write your own bot to make it work and if you can code, why pay those leechs monthly fee, when you can code into client directly.

    isx still can’t read scanner and can’t read local properly…

    December 5, 2010 at 12:23 am Reply

    December 5, 2010 at 12:32 am Reply
    1. Fix the graphic on the front page (for the second day in a row)

      December 5, 2010 at 12:33 am Reply
  4. horus

    program exist since years, and used for many other games like wow, but only in this year, it got developed much more, expecial in eve.

    and about change landscape, is an exageration, yes i moved around 10k ppl, in last 3 months (various alliances) but they not where the main cause of the change of the landscape.

    Obviously it helped speed such process.

    but the point is what a single man can do with 250-300b monthly backbone. can potentially change in some conflict the balance of power, so what will happen when corp-ally will do that at highers levels? is already happened in eve, wn, xdeathx, ra .

    December 5, 2010 at 12:38 am Reply
  5. Anyone

    ffs stop buying isk of these fags…

    December 5, 2010 at 1:20 am Reply
    1. Dodo

      This really.

      The buyers are just as culpable as the sellers. There’s just no excuse. They’re all leaching scumbags thieving off someone else’s work IRL.

      December 5, 2010 at 7:35 pm Reply
  6. ISK Sellers are Putrid Scum

    Using BOTS &/or selling ISK (RMT) is putrid! It stuffs games up & causes a whole plethora of problems within the game community.

    There is NO excuses for using Bots or taking part in RMT other than the fact that these people are leeches that destroy good games for others. They don’t care for the game or for anyone but themselves & the time the developers/GM’s have to put into doing something about them could be better used to continue to improve the actual game.

    I read about something in another article where the FBI has found organised crime gangs using this sort of trade to wash/launder their money, so maybe other Governments are doing the same & will help to eradicate these pests from ALL games & not just EVE..

    December 5, 2010 at 2:38 am Reply
  7. swe

    this news make me puke…

    December 5, 2010 at 2:58 am Reply
  8. Don't Understand

    I’m all in favour of bringing out to the open this horrible aspect of MMO’s (it’s truly sickening, and needs to be dealt with), but this article confuses me: rather than an incensive report/analysis, it seems more like a manual of how to go about RMT. I’m afraid you are just encouraging people to try it out for themselves. Pathetic “journalism”.

    December 5, 2010 at 3:34 am Reply
    1. creep

      No, no and NO, sir. These things MUST be dragged into the open, there is simply NO other way to make CCP react. If there would have been any other way to make CCP getting their ass up… CCP would have reacted long ago.

      December 5, 2010 at 9:02 am Reply
  9. derrr

    As much as I appreciate someone actually talking about this, until CCP actually does something this article basically just showed the average joe where to go to set up their own bot.

    All bots need to be banned, but CCP seems to be pretty lethargic in dealing with botters. Part of the problem is its extremely difficult to prove someone is botting to CCP. Part of the problem is that bots can log on/off on a schedule, so its easy to have a bot run for 8 or 16 hours, something that appears humanly capable (as opposed to 23/7).

    I used to go after macro miners, but the real money is macro botting in 0.0, especially NPC 0.0 because its the best rats and increase in faction/officer spawns. I’ve been afk cloaking in a botting system for weeks. The bots just hide in a POS or cloak as long as I am on. Its easy to tell when my client crashes because I can check dotlan and see a spike in ratting during the times my character was offline.

    December 5, 2010 at 4:15 am Reply
  10. brrr

    making basement bombs is scandalous, here’s how you do it…. more at 11.

    evebattles.com did the same story without telling everyone hw to do it.

    December 5, 2010 at 4:22 am Reply
    1. creep

      Telling EVERYONE, how to do it is the last chance to get CCP to make their mind up about the problem. All other actions, like petitioning something or writing nice comments on official forums wont get shit done.

      December 5, 2010 at 9:14 am Reply
  11. EVE guy

    Holy fucking shit, I can read broken English, awful grammar, even l33t speak from a supposed native English speaker. When the number of typos and misspelled (yes, that is how it is spelled) words doesn’t even pass MS Word, I can’t even try. Stopped half way through an article that seemed to be getting going.

    December 5, 2010 at 4:38 am Reply
  12. nig

    Dear Faggots,

    Don’t download anything from shitty russian sites, your account credentials will be stolen by those bots.

    >Hmm use chribba and sell between chars motherships and titans,

    Always knew that faggot was upto something


    December 5, 2010 at 4:48 am Reply
  13. Dodo

    “For more informations you can visit http://www.reboot.gr/ site, the “official” eve bot community. Its dominated by russians, so better know how to speak it, but google translator makes here a good service as well.”

    From the site forums:

    English forum: 2884 Posts in 515 Topics (19 pages)

    Russian forum: 906 Posts in 147 Topics (8 pages)

    And that’s only for the section of the forums that have a Russian subsection. The rest of the forum sections are English only.

    That’s some domination.

    Sounds to me like the author is playing on the audience’s prejudices and expectations to shift the focus away from the real EVE cheaters and leachers – NC &co.

    December 5, 2010 at 5:13 am Reply
    1. derrr

      Forum posts means nothing. I’m not disagreeing that there could be an exaggeration of the russian population. However I think the telling stat would be the percentage of botters to a population. There’s probably more english speaking botters than russian speaking botters as there’s much more english speakers than russian speakers. But the ratio of botters to non botters is unknown.

      December 5, 2010 at 6:38 am Reply
      1. Dodo

        That’s just bullshit logic.

        The other referenced sites have English speakers-only forums, no Russian section. Any way you cut this you’ll end up with the vast majority of EVE RMTers being non-Russian, including Horus (Italian apparently), the main reason for this “expose”.

        The only reason Russians are mentioned by these scumbags exposing themselves is to gain some cheap acceptance and popularity from the audience that needs some place to channel their hate. I mean, you can see the groupies in the kugu thread lining up to service their new idol.

        December 5, 2010 at 7:46 pm Reply
        1. derrr

          “OMG THERE’S MORE ENGLISH BOTS THAN RUSSIAN BOTS!!!!” Nice observation, dipshit. Thats because there’s many, many more english players than russian players.

          So lets say there’s 1000 english players and 20% of them are bots, and lets say there’s 200 russian players and 75% of them are bots. Who has more bots? The English speakers simply because there’s more of them. Who is more likely to be a bot? The russian player.

          Obviously the equalizing factor among unequal population sizes is to use proportions. Thats why using the sheer number of posts on a forum is a shitty way to prove a point. You didn’t even take into account the number of russian players who might have posted on the english forums, or take into account the average number of posts per english or russian players. If you want to talk about shitty logic, take a look in the mirror.

          December 6, 2010 at 11:02 pm Reply
          1. Dodo

            Thanks for the 5-th grade math lesson. Now try to use that fancy education to actually read my response to the article.

            The article’s contention is that the macroer’s main site is somehow dominated by Russians ’cause it’s got a Russian language forum section. I pointed out that that claim was baseless and had an ulterior motivation; and furthermore that by that logic the whole macrobotting population is actually dominated by English speakers, or non-Russians at any rate.

            Hope this helps.

            December 7, 2010 at 7:51 pm
  14. lol

    i say if you cant beat them join them. i personally dont see how it is killing the game its actually supporting it because the isk always goes somewhere and it could be the modules or ships you are selling that you are buying + if they banned all the rmt im willing to bet you would see the collapse of almost all 0.0 alliances

    December 5, 2010 at 5:29 am Reply
    1. Buzz Kill

      Well, I guess some people can’t see past their own ignorance. Proven by your “If you can’t beat em, join em” comment.

      If you can’t see how it’s ruining the game, you need to use your brain for more than 5 minutes. It’s quite simple really.

      December 6, 2010 at 7:00 pm Reply
    2. honest pilot

      the shutdown of almost all 0.0 alliances? Good, good ridance! Opens up space for us honest players!

      December 7, 2010 at 9:08 pm Reply
  15. against all "northern coalitions"

    communist ruskies n chineses know how to make money.

    they should go on sharing their knowledge to ccp, so they can pay machines to run our big lagfights without lag!

    December 5, 2010 at 6:11 am Reply
  16. Hiring lazy developers who learned to program in two weeks results in bug ridden code and poor design that allows such bots to exist. CCP says all the other poor design decisions are ‘features’ so I say everyone should take advantage of this one. Get yourself a bot to do your dirty work and you’ll have more time to enjoy the game. Not only that, but you’ll be hurting the RMT guys by lowering the value of isk. WIN WIN!!!

    December 5, 2010 at 6:26 am Reply
  17. News Reader

    Chribba works together with RMTs?!?!?


    December 5, 2010 at 8:37 am Reply
    1. creep

      Intentional or not – he does. Because no single guy can buy a capital without getting his hands on MANY ISK. And MANY ISK you dont get by farming veldspar with your velator in 1.0 space. So its totally clear, that he is helping rmt’rs here and there washing some piles of ISK.

      December 5, 2010 at 9:10 am Reply
  18. Xavier Saskuatch

    This is totally sickening and undermines the point of Eve. At the start of Eve I liked the fact it was your ability & dedication that governed if you were successful or not, (in any domain.).

    Roll forward 7 years and we have a situation where we are people buying / botting isk for new toys rather than earning them. Tranqulity, Singularity whats the difference these days!

    December 5, 2010 at 12:05 pm Reply
    1. humm

      Belive me, it’s the same situation as in all MMORPGs, any moajor title, be it EVE, WoW, Aeon or anything else, draws attention of botmakers, goldslellrs etc. It’s game developers who should fight such things, and tbh they do.

      As for russians – can we all stop with this irrational fear of “red threat” already? It’s almost 20 years since it’s gone off the map. For example, I know for a fact, that russian players do report other players for botting if they spot such things and those people get banned.
      In the end it’s your personal choice if you’re goting to use bots or not, has nothing to do with nationality.
      If you realy want to spew some hartered over other nations, why won’t you go abuse in spannish bot forums or german bot forums? Just because some incompetent journalist think it’s cool to play with words, you don’t have to follow him, you can use you own brain.
      Furthermore, you can have my word, that CCP is doing everything they can to get rid of bots. It’s just a matter of time. As for you, you can start with yourself – stop playing SOMER secured shit, EOH, using eve-files and other Chribba’s sites. Oh wait, you can’t? Well then, suck it up and shut up.

      December 6, 2010 at 3:41 am Reply
  19. Knox Harrington

    Well done bringing this out in the open! Personally this makes me consider cancelling my accounts.

    December 5, 2010 at 1:40 pm Reply
  20. Eve player

    I hope CCP do something about this ASAP

    December 5, 2010 at 4:43 pm Reply
  21. Other Eve player

    This is the beginning of the end of this wonderful game called EVE.

    December 5, 2010 at 4:48 pm Reply
  22. Space Harrier


    December 5, 2010 at 6:42 pm Reply
    1. ZEnDon

      Believe me, mate, not only russians are involved in this business. All eve economics holds on bots and unfair isk making, or using bad game mechanics to get additional benefits.

      December 5, 2010 at 8:40 pm Reply
  23. Cool Interview

    About a big RMT broker. See the link.


    December 5, 2010 at 6:55 pm Reply
  24. Velios

    As someone that’s had more than my fair share of fighting Russians in EVE over the last 7 years – it’s got to the point where I just wont bother anymore – they seem to play for different reasons than I and most the people I play EVE with do and no matter what you do to them, they just worm their way back… because clearly… they have to to keep the RL cash coming in.

    Complete cunts – they should be taken off tranquility altogether and let those that want to play EVE for fun and thrills get on with it.

    December 5, 2010 at 7:00 pm Reply
    1. Dodo

      That’s certainly a lot of generalization and hyperbole. I sense a lot of butthurt and feelings of inferiority over bitter defeats. All justified, I might add!

      December 5, 2010 at 7:12 pm Reply
      1. Velios

        What, you read all this stuff above and think it’s completely OK do you? It’s not about being ‘butthurt’ as RA have some fearsome pvp’ers however any credibility they do have is completely smashed when the truth (^^) comes out.

        I’m sure most alliances would up their game if real money depended on it.

        December 5, 2010 at 7:28 pm Reply
        1. Dodo

          It’s certainly *not* ok with me; all you gotta do is read my other comments.

          I am curious though, where in all of this do you see “the truth” about RA (or Russians)? Does presumption of innocence not apply to them? Isn’t the burden of proof on the accuser? And I mean real proof, not the “I’ve heard from such and such”, “everyone knows”, and “all you have to do is see for yourself” kind of ‘proof’.

          December 6, 2010 at 1:06 am Reply
          1. humm

            Let the idiot be… little does he know about what “home defence” and “motherland” means. Even in a computer game.

            Plus, ask any russian player, except for 1,2 or 3 alliance bosses, if he ever saw any money profit out of his/her EVE game? How do you think it happens? They share the money around? LoL, certainly not. And you get beaten again and again not by those alliance bosses that MAYBE trade isk (there’s no proof that they do), you get beaten by hundreds of players that just love to fight and have fun and play EVE for exactly same reasons as you (or at least you say so).
            So just face it that you’ve been beaten. Be a man.

            December 6, 2010 at 3:26 am
  25. Lorren Canada

    This article really pisses me off. Why the hell are some peeps just leeching and no one is doing something? Im going to start hunting isk farmers in-game.

    December 5, 2010 at 7:21 pm Reply
  26. OHgod

    Thx for info where to buy legit eve bots – now i’m starting my new e-bussines.

    December 5, 2010 at 9:19 pm Reply
  27. horus

    for all who not get the “chribba things”

    chribba not know he is transfering “bot isk”

    is simply a trick, for abuse of chribba position, for make ccp not control big isk transfers.

    chribba not have any tools for know that seller and buyer are same person. and is only transfering his own titan-ms, for transfer from a char to another char (thrue chribba) 70b.

    December 5, 2010 at 10:08 pm Reply
  28. RMT/Bots/Macros are neccessary to CCP

    There are some tweaks to make it harder to use bots, but CCP wont make them. The whole economy is based on RMT/Bots/Macros, now that it has gone on for so long. Also using bots and macros is the way that CCP itself uses to manipulate the markets in EVE. They can’t pay enough people to keep prices and materials/modules in the corrrect ranges, so bots and macros are used. It would be impossible to make this method accessable to CCP and not others. A recent example is the PI element of EVE. Why is it designed the way it is? Because to make it simple to farm for CCP market manipulation/correction. And with CCP moving on to other products now, it seems it this will never be solved.

    December 5, 2010 at 11:41 pm Reply
  29. Cyrus Doul

    Any and all things like that are money laundering. EOH and somer.Blink are horrible for it. I bet if EOH went though their database they could find certain chars losing billions to the same set of people over and over. And Blink, well. take the GTC’s or any lotto. You see one person bid on just enough slots over and over again so they can make sure they win more then they lose, By doing so the money can leave their account. get washed by blinks account and sent back as an actual item instead of isk again. Adding one more layer of masking to it. you see people like Quazal Atreides on there 15+ hours a day. at this point they have bots for the bots. He at this point has put at least 55 billion isk into the game as shown by his achievements.

    And don’t forget, Chribba, EOH and Somer are all actively making isk off of this. Somer says that they have handed out 9.2 trillion isk since they started. Theres no way for a normal player such as me to see who is a bot or legit. But you know a lot of that money are payouts that are going to be used for RMT and Somer keeps something like 15 to 20 percent house Rake. so they have 1.38 trillion isk laying around that is prolly a good half made from laundering payouts.

    December 6, 2010 at 12:40 am Reply
    1. Firstly who the **** are you calling me a bot, I am a player who has enough isk to gamble just because you have to beg borrow steal to get enough isk to play per month that aint my problem

      and for the record this is taken directly from Somer site

      ISK Deposited 118,500,000,000 ISK
      Blinks Played 8,433
      Promo Blinks Played 49
      Blinks Won 1,138
      Megablinks Won 96
      Win Ratio 13.49%
      Value of Blinks Won 160,076,000,000 ISK

      So a bot am i :) the fact if you even bothered to get off your lazy arse and investigate is that i sit in the blink channel all day and chat away you can pop in most times and say hi.
      Hey half time im in game half time im the fact that i can do research on my final dissatation paper and click a button and win things is non of your F****ing business.

      So next time you decide to call someone a bot please get off you lazy arse and do some investigation.

      If you even bothered to do checking on me on the forum you would see that i run succesfull business and ddonate to the community (not much granted) but more than some whiny ass 2isk pimp like you.

      Thanks and good night!


      This script wasn’t written by a Bot but a ****ed of player who like most people in eve takes great pleasure in killing/and hutting out ratting/mining macros

      December 6, 2010 at 4:19 pm Reply
      1. Cyrus Doul

        And his email:
        get your facts right
        From: Quazal Atreides
        Sent: 2010.12.06 15:14
        To: Cyrus Doul,


        Who the **** are you calling me a Bot.

        If you have a link to an imaginary site i want it, becaue i will personally respond to their ignorance.

        I suggest you read my post on the forum and appologise

        Dont bother trying to come out with some ****, simply your a lazy ****tard who doesn’t know what its like to have 1mill isk let alone the amount that i can gamble and lose at my own expense.


        Post 78 is my response.

        Now next time you want try to be deflamatory do your ****ing investigation on the person first.


        Also if you really want feel free to get CCP to investigate me, because it would take all of 5 mins to see that i rarely go 5 mintues without talking in one of the many public trade channel that people know (and have known me for 2/3 years) or in the blink public channel..

        So report me if im a bot… if not **** you …… and an apology would be appreciated.

        End mail correspondance

        I’m happy for you that you can respond to posts. But your numbers are just helping me out here really. And the fact that you rage that hard core by me using you as a username example. I could have said the TYKONDEROGA guy that has now racked up 352 billion isk in winnings. I guess if you can manage to play a game 12 to 15 hours a day while doing your dissertation in how to write a better bot program more power to you.

        The fact stands is that I randomly picked one of the people that you can see betting on EVERYTHING with the same style all day on something that is a known way to launder money and you responded ridiculously over the top. I have noticed that you have toned it down since the article came out and I made my statement that made you rage oh so much. Good way to show what ones the bots might be.

        Or to lay low…

        Btw your not getting an apology. So you talk in the in game channel occasionally, doesn’t mean you aren’t botting blink. And petitioning CCP won’t help as they can only get you on EVE not some third party page. Basically this whole thing is calling out how Botters or non botter RMT people can launder. I guess I’m sorry you fit the description of a bot user perfectly.

        December 6, 2010 at 8:00 pm Reply
        1. eyvi

          lol you randomly accuse someone of being… naughty and wonder why they are angry? getting angry is a pretty typical response to a ridiculous or otherwise silly accusation. It DOES NOT mean he is probably guilty. i’d say the opposite, yet it’s still possible. A guilty person might’ve opted for letting it slide so that he wouldn’t arouse suspicion.

          the fact is, as you admitted, you randomly accused someone because he “fit the bill”. and when you get a response to said accusation, you come to the conclusion that he’s naughty because he’s rich and then you say that he shouldn’t get pissed off . this has IDIOT written all over it.

          your logic is flawed. either give a proper explanation and send it to ccp so they can confirm or stop being an idiot.

          lol i just had to post cause i accidentally gave ur post a thumbs up /facepalm

          December 6, 2010 at 9:56 pm Reply
        2. eyvi

          lol you randomly accuse someone of being… naughty and wonder why they are angry? getting angry is a pretty typical response to a ridiculous or otherwise silly accusation. It DOES NOT mean he is probably guilty. i’d say the opposite, yet it’s still possible. A guilty person might’ve opted for letting it slide so that he wouldn’t arouse suspicion.

          the fact is, as you admitted, you randomly accused someone because he “fit the bill”. and when you get a response to said accusation, you come to the conclusion that he’s naughty because he’s rich and then you say that he shouldn’t get pissed off . this has IDIOT written all over it.

          your logic is flawed. either give a proper explanation and send it to ccp so they can confirm or stop being an idiot.

          lol i just had to post cause i accidentally gave ur post a thumbs up! /facepalm

          December 6, 2010 at 9:58 pm Reply
  30. GetRidofRATS!

    You will never get rid of bots completely, but there are ways to reduce the issue.

    1) Remove RATS! That means anoms, belt rats the whole bit. This is where the majority of the casual botters are getting their income.

    2) Give sleeper AI to missions. Not only would this make them more interesting, it would make programming a bot for them just that much harder

    3) Shrink Hi-Sec down to 5 systems for each race and boot players out once they have passed a newbie “Trial” period and don’t let them back in. Have low-sec areas around the newbie areas for people to transition into. Make the rest Empire 0.0 and have the higher level missions located there. This way mission runners are always at risk of being killed, bots don’t deal well with real world threats in highly populated systems.

    Taking these steps would bring this game back to where it should be. Where money is made from mining, manufacturing, trade, missions and piracy (how it SHOULD be).

    December 6, 2010 at 1:30 am Reply
    1. WOW

      Your an idiot

      December 7, 2010 at 2:54 am Reply
    2. Bleh

      Yeah.. lets break the game even more stupid.. go play WOW or something

      December 7, 2010 at 12:52 pm Reply
  31. SirMum

    Shamis and Fintroll are paid 10k $ in total to protect drones for next 2 months. UaxDeath told me. He is not giving the money. Solar is.

    December 6, 2010 at 2:23 am Reply
  32. Kiss of the Dog

    This whole issue is disgusting. It is not a secret where these “bot armies” are; just gab some buddies in SB’s and go check it out. Essentially, it exposes certain null-sec power blocks for the frauds that they are. Easy to keep and hold space if you have an unlimited supply of bot-generated isk.

    And folks wonder why more guys don’t hang out in null? This locking up space through EULA bannable activities makes it damned near impossible to compete through “legit” means. What is more alarming is CCP’s attempts to stiffle discussion of this issue in forums and their stated lameness in being able to do anything about it. Something stinks in Island and it ain’t the herring.

    December 6, 2010 at 4:12 am Reply
  33. News Reader

    To Czech Lion:

    Please, if you find the time then write about those who pay real money for these ISKs as well. So far this report is very interesting and informative to read, but even in its current length does it only describe one half of what is happening here. Some light needs to be shed onto those who buy ISKs for real money and what they do with it. Without these people – the other half – would RMT not work.

    December 6, 2010 at 9:58 am Reply
    1. Staintrain passenger

      I know a few people who buy isk and then buy plex with it to pay for their account. Thats 50% cheaper plex.

      Can’t prove anything to ccp though :(

      December 6, 2010 at 10:10 am Reply
  34. FH

    I am pretty curious as to what the intention of this article is. Do you think the details supplied will put off cheaters? encourage CCP to pull their thumbs out of their arses? or do you think it will increase the number of these botters? Unfortunately i think it will be the latter though as i am frequently wrong maybe this will not be the case.

    December 6, 2010 at 10:50 am Reply
  35. vukpak

    First, spitting on russians only is faggotry. Russians are not the one buying the ISK to begin with. When there’s a need there will always be a provider.
    Then I really hope CCP will do smthg about it, and not some Unholy Rage PR bullshit. They need to change design of their game or to protect the client memory somehow.
    I hope CSM will help players on this one.

    December 6, 2010 at 11:23 am Reply
  36. shreak

    Topic starter. are you writing part 3? i am like reading this.

    December 6, 2010 at 1:47 pm Reply
  37. Maybe its time to move the Russians to the Chinese server?

    December 6, 2010 at 7:17 pm Reply
    1. Dodo

      I got a better one: how about we move all the xenophobic assholes to their own server.

      December 6, 2010 at 10:27 pm Reply
      1. derrr

        I spy an angry russian

        December 7, 2010 at 12:54 am Reply
        1. -A- roxx

          i spy a kid that has no brain of his own

          December 14, 2010 at 2:03 pm Reply
  38. mymindisglowing

    Wildly speculative comment made as an assertion of fact. Absolutely nothing constituting proof and not even plausible, inferential circumstantial evidence rising to any standard of quality.

    Grandiose posturing and pretending to be in the know. Racist, xenophobic comments (or not). Hyperbole and histrionics.

    Sophistic, laughable conclusion.

    December 6, 2010 at 9:23 pm Reply
  39. mymindisglowing

    P.S.: the above comment is a prototypical comment from Eve News 24 comments section. Sorry, but if the shoe fits…..

    December 6, 2010 at 9:24 pm Reply
  40. […] more information regarding the RMT issues Read this, this, and this.Tweet var addthis_config = {"data_track_clickback":true services_exclude:"twitter"}; […]

    December 7, 2010 at 6:13 am
  41. […] RMT Uncovered pt2 – EveNews24 […]

    December 7, 2010 at 6:15 am
  42. WTF

    Ok, honest anwser, and i dont macro mine/rat btw, but seriously what real effect is this having on ANY of you personally? Seriously? None whatsoever. Try looking at what eve does anyway. CCP allows Large alliances to make so much isk its crazy. The removal of poses for sov saved billions for large alliances, and then they added tech moons to the moon gold for even more billions! RMT Does not effect the game whatsoever, infact probably gives the poor fella a bit more of a fighting chance to get goods ingame CCP wont allow him to, because the favour of large alliances.
    And so what if some is macroing to make a money, so what i say? good on them. They are not harming anyone, its not like they are drug dealers or something, Seriously get a grip..and stop making it into something its not.

    December 7, 2010 at 11:25 am Reply
    1. this

      The effects are twofold.

      First -> player base aspect.

      More RMTers -> ppl buy isks from them instead of converting RL to plexes -> less supply of plex in the market. Then RMTers buy plex to fund their activity -> increased demand for plex in the market. Thus price of plex is going up (this is what we observe atm.-> they have gone up in price from 270mil to 370mil).

      Effect -> less people are able to fund their chars by buying plex. They have 3 choices -> suspend account (reduce number of alts), redeem RL for plex or buy iskies from RMTers (which is cheaper than from CCP) and they buy PLEX. People chosing option no 3 will further fuel demand for RMTers. Thus this is vicious cycle when in the long term number of players will stagnate (because of high plex price some of player base will be unable to play) and the number of RMTers relatively to other normal accounts will increase (higher demand for ISK, more chars needed to generate same RL cash income etc.)

      Ultimately there will be just people that pay for the game (via RMTers or CCP) and second half comprised of bots farming for the first half buying from them. Great:(

      Second -> moral and apartheid aspect

      There is also second effect -> this creates iron curtain when there are regions controlled by normal players and special zones of interests when regular players have no chance to play (because they are guarded by guys multiplexing 8 supercaps or 6 titans additionaly having unlimited funds from RMTers to fund military acitivites).

      Also there will be also players of category A (with RMT income) and B (everybody else). The first one will be able to outmach cat. B in a way they could use unlimited funds and focus solely on combat, whereas players from cat. B will have to carry on as normal and probably suffer from more and more harrassment from cat. A. Then who really will be interested to generate normal income when there are RMT bots giving afk income that couldn’t be outmached.

      So summing if CCP doesn’t do anything with RMT we will leave more in banana republic world as opposed to the west model. There will be privilaged class controlling RMT regions and having superb support in terms of isk, supercaps, bought loyalty, bought mercanaries etc. Then there will be the rest of players which will be more like servants for the first class, dependent and minor to the ruling class. In other words we will see world more like Cuba than like West Countries.

      CCP seriously think about this for a moment.

      December 7, 2010 at 7:24 pm Reply
    2. Uncle Andy

      lol not surprised a member (judging by your handle) of the NC PB shorbus crew is defending the botters and RMTers.

      December 7, 2010 at 7:30 pm Reply
  43. Johann

    Yep. This sucks. I have four accounts, I used to pay for time with Plex earned in game. Plex have been getting so expensive I won’t do it anymore, so… all cancelled! CYA CCP!

    December 7, 2010 at 10:00 pm Reply
  44. Eve user

    @WTF It devalues the ISK that you, I and others have to mission/mine/rat/manufacture. More ISK on the market means that it is worth less making things cost more

    December 7, 2010 at 10:31 pm Reply
  45. Sly

    does cccp know of this series of articles?

    December 9, 2010 at 9:39 pm Reply

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