StainWagon (SW) started the evening by setting the YHN- station into second RF timer, while INIT+IT were controlling GE-8JV (Catch). As next RF timer ws in roughly 70 minutes, SW headed back to LGK-VP (Stain) for regroup and reship.

Instead of waiting INIT+IT grabbed the initiative and cynoed into system right at the station with 250 men fleet. SW undocked 200 and the slugfest started. Do to initial fc/organization problems, IT lost whole battleship fleet and had to get new ships. Both sides sent every possible pilot into battle, with local being around 600, 300 for each.

The k/d ration equaled as INIT/IT killed several SW capitals that were deployed to counter to number superiority that was due to timezone differences. In the end an NCDOT gang came to support SW, but didn´t change the outcome, as INIT/IT left the system and went home. For many eastern TZ players it ened at 3-4am in the night.

One of most notable battles in 2010 for sure, which both sides got everything and can claim victory. One side repaired a station and 2 IHUBS and the other held the field and looted it.

Battle results from INIT/IT pov:
for LGK-VP, 2010-12-03 19:50 – 03:03

Kills: 583
Losses: 548
Damage done (ISK): 38.81B – 38805.59M
Damage received (ISK): 28.02B – 28022.08M
Efficiency: 58.07%

System location:

KB links:

Comments regarding the battle:
JustAnInitGrunt The Initiative

Day of the Dead Drake sounds better then “Day of the Dead Shield Tanked Stuff”. Just in the memory of the “Drake Memorial” in 68F -> But anyhow about that shield tanked BS stuff I hope our Bosses (and they like BS!) will have a look at that. Most are getting bored with the damn Drakes already! Don’t know how the Russians are doing that they still like that shit..

And I would give a lot for a real neutral killboard that fetches kills and cleans the KB sides (our Init Killboard has friendlies and enemies all of the left/right side).

I’m sure there will be a nice graphic by -A- in a few hours showig 95% or there Kills but only 40% of there losses and lots of chest beating. WTB somebody to code something like that to have a real view. But from what I have seen so far both sides are doing good and lots of ships die. But Init does have a positive Killeath ratio and as we all fly cheap shield shit also ISK should be positive.

Prsan IT Alliance

Fight was fantastic, props to all involved…
at last CAAASROL deployed carriers, we were killing support what left when there was news of NC coming to join fun…
Fight issued on gate when NC was jumping in, Init/IM fleet wasn’t much targeted (was in logi, not much request for reps) so my guess is that they were going for IT fleet…
NC showed up in armor BS with guardians, we manage to kill several guardians while they were loading, and they we started on BS-es… after several minutes NC and CAAASROL started to bail out, we chased little through system and then FC decided to call the night and get us home… so fight finished about 01:30 eve time, not sure about numbers but I already seen a lot of ppl reshiping 3-4 times (easier for CAAASROL which needed to dock) but Init/IM keep bridging reinforcement in till the end… props to dude who was running around, buying frigs to make cyno for titan bridge and keep geting killed ( I think he lose 4-5 frigs)…
All in all epic fight, dotlan reported 1550 kills (500 pods) we will tomorrow fight forum war about who win but it was fun, especially at end when lag was clearing and we finnaly had ships with working mods and normali locking targets…

Questo Stain Empire

Well if we assume this link…kll_id=8186555 to be the most accurate then we have 706 Ships killed (45.85B ISK) 642 Ships lost (39.07B ISK) for Init side (including pods which are like 5-10% of the kills for each side). Pretty fun (not for me def) and in terms of k/d in a 10% favor of our opponents (according to Init kb). During the fight Init side had like 30% advantage in terms of active pilots engaged in battle in every moment of a fight but AAA/Stain had few caps at the station which we had to use due to the lack of logis. That was a good fight and I think that was possible because we had the emergency cta (not sure bout Init/IT) so both side’s numbers were pretty low for such fights and reinfircements compensated those who died/went to sleep. Stain held the field. 1 Init station is in the second rf, 1 station and 2 hubs are repped (by init). We should start such an events a bit earlier so we could have the whole day.

Graphs made by Stain Empire regarding the battle results:



  1. nobody

    i may ad that at jump in, it fleet showed neutral for init fleet, no ideea if the same for the it; and by neutral i mean neutral with no ticker added to the pilot name, so until the things where sorted few it pilots ended on init killboard 😛
    gg ccp :-)

    December 4, 2010 at 1:49 pm Reply
  2. ED funboy

    Blowing up ships, this is what Eve Online should be all about! Server acted reasonable so CCP should keep killing the lag monster!

    December 4, 2010 at 1:53 pm Reply
  3. On comms

    Ah well, not really hard to hold the field in the end in your unconqueable home system..

    December 4, 2010 at 1:54 pm Reply
  4. Kuka

    That isnt Stain Empire graphs, AAA pilot made them.

    December 4, 2010 at 2:21 pm Reply
    1. Komolov

      It doesn’t matter tbh. At current cooperation level it is hard to say where SE ends and AAA starts to be honest. (Except SE lemmings are getting immediately raped by SE leaders, while AAA lemmings allowed to stay alive :) )

      December 4, 2010 at 2:39 pm Reply
      1. sour

        true 100%. SW should be proud that they have achieved such a lvl of cooperation.

        December 4, 2010 at 2:44 pm Reply
  5. sour

    woot epic battle, lag was bad sometimes, but also manageable some other times. props to both sides for rising to the task. it was fun. may we all have many mnay more battles like that. in terms of killz init&co seem to have a slight upper hand, but surely SW got to win the isk war given that the battlefield was looted by them. thats alot of isk there 😛

    December 4, 2010 at 2:43 pm Reply
  6. Random IM Dude

    Most notable in that fight was the ability to actually fight… CCP seemed to have definitely sorted someof the lag issues to the point of playable. I really doubt that LGK was reinforced.. Even so – it remained far better for issues than before the 1.0.0 patch. If it was reinforced… well – i still say it felt better :)

    As for the fight – awesome. Great fun on both sides. Lets keep this post clear of bitching/moaning/gf slapping etc and just sit there and remember the lolz that were had and the epicness of a 7-8 hours fight!

    December 4, 2010 at 2:56 pm Reply
  7. Mistake?

    Both Graphs are exactly the same, Shiptype one doesnt show shiptypes.

    December 4, 2010 at 3:00 pm Reply
  8. Some Random Guy

    Wow, an almost unbiased news and no premature troll comments alá “no, that’s wrong! we owned them and they ran! xxx is shit!” yet. That’s how a news site should be. Keep it like that!

    And GF all who were there! o/

    December 4, 2010 at 3:02 pm Reply
  9. W S
    December 4, 2010 at 3:11 pm Reply
  10. IM guy

    Thanks for all parts :) Epic battle with lots of fun.
    This is truely what eve-online is all about.

    This is one battle i wont forget for sure :)

    lag: Some had alot of lag, and some did’nt. Maybe its a combination of hardware and connectiontype on the user end that’s creating the lag? maybe.

    December 4, 2010 at 3:13 pm Reply
  11. Lorrenzzo

    When the United States was fighting a war in Southeast Asia the President of the Unites States would ask the generals how the war was going. The generals always responded with statistics of how many enemy combatants had been killed and gave the president a kill/loss ratio that made the war effort seem very productive. A few years later the last American troops were evacuating the country off the roof the embassy.

    Why does everyone have such a hard on for kill/loss ratio? Init/ED/IT/CO2/DT have lost every important strategic battle in this ongoing war. People should look at the big picture and stop analyzing the KBs to see who is winning. Just open up Dotlan and look at the damn map.

    December 4, 2010 at 3:37 pm Reply
    1. another grunt

      i agree with you general statement, that strategic victories are more important than K/D ratios, but what about GE-8 or B-R? Did INITeditCO2dt loose them to Käserolle yet?

      December 4, 2010 at 3:57 pm Reply
    2. nobody

      so mister lorenzo, let me see if i understand: when stainwagon win it’s a strategic battle, when they faill it’s just a battle.

      December 4, 2010 at 4:14 pm Reply
      1. Lorrenzzo

        I’m saying you win when you accomplish your objectives, it doesn’t matter how many ships you kill unless it is your objective to kill more than you loose.

        December 4, 2010 at 4:37 pm Reply
        1. nobody

          “I’m saying you win when you accomplish your objectives, it doesn’t matter how many ships you kill unless it is your objective to kill more than you loose.”
          objective like saving stations/ihubs? init saved 2 ihubs and 1 st while that fight was going, so was this a strategic battle then?

          December 4, 2010 at 4:48 pm Reply
        2. Wat?

          What about when Init saved a station last week but lost more ships than AAA/Rol/SE? AAA/Rol/SE were all saying it was a victory for them, but they didn’t complete their objective and Init did. Or when Init. saved all of their CSAAs. They again completed their objective. They stayed in system to finish repping rather than go chasing after AAA/Rol/SE. Yet, again, AAA/Rol/SE were saying that Init were chicken for not leaving system (while they were still repping I might add) to go fight AAA/Rol/SE.

          I do agree with you that whoever completes their objective is the winner and kill/death ratios aren’t nearly as important. Personally I’m just sick of seeing alliance members jerking each other off with whatever bs they decide to pull out of their ass that day. Both sides do it, it just seems like AAA does it with far more frequency than Init.&Co.

          December 4, 2010 at 8:33 pm Reply
        3. IT pilot

          and what did IT/INIT do last night?

          December 4, 2010 at 9:50 pm Reply
          1. Sexy Time

            Apparently not much since the fight looks to be +/- 50 ship kills depending on whos kb you look at.

            It looks like IT/INIT lost as much as -A-/Friends did.

            Isk war thou looks like -A-/Friends won that so far.

            Could care less either way, and now apparently TEST/GOONs coming to play in the south as well?

            Should be interesting in the coming days.

            Maybe WN jumps in too?

            December 5, 2010 at 12:53 am
    3. Jaddar Kampton

      “Why does everyone have such a hard on for kill/loss ratio? Init/ED/IT/CO2/DT have lost every important strategic battle in this ongoing war. People should look at the big picture and stop analyzing the KBs to see who is winning. Just open up Dotlan and look at the damn map.”

      done. all i can see is that you oh so glorious victories didnt do a serious change.

      December 4, 2010 at 4:30 pm Reply
    4. sour

      well mate that happened cos kill rations or even map changes for that matter do not reflect the truth. the americans abandoned the war u mention cos they could not affort to continue it.

      yes stainwagon has made alot of progress lately, practicly destroying 3 alliances so far and pushing into the initiative home. but dont forget that 1 month ago -A- lost all their space and ROL almost half of theirs, while things for coven or SE werent very promising too. now SW is on the offense with very high morale, lots of clear victories while next to none defeats but dont forget: tomorrow there might be a different story to tell.

      December 4, 2010 at 4:47 pm Reply
    5. Joe

      We didnt loose moron, Both sides did awesome. -A- that was a f’in fun battle. I am very happy there is many more to come! Will fight you guys any day.

      December 4, 2010 at 8:06 pm Reply
    6. Jesus H Christ

      WTF? your comparing k/d ratio to the Vietnam war? Your a fing moron. Please do not pull out the RL card ever again.

      Comparing something that can be verified to something that couldn’t be verified.

      Now Please go away.

      December 5, 2010 at 1:06 am Reply
  12. bs maker

    Of course, objectives are decided AFTER the fight so the proper spin can be put on yer performance.

    December 4, 2010 at 4:44 pm Reply
  13. Cattys_SS_ghost

    More ships in lgk market :)… last night some of the stoven undock in 4/5 ships ..last one was capital tipe…
    FUCK THE ISK/RATIO..hope everyone have a lot of fun…was around 6 h of fight…

    December 4, 2010 at 5:00 pm Reply
    1. sober

      ignore cattys and stainwagon grunts comments, lets stay with GF and more and more pew pew, i pity those 2 little hurt fags that always want to be in center of attention.

      December 4, 2010 at 5:41 pm Reply
  14. Very fun fight, had a great time. Glad to see a nuetral article for once.

    December 4, 2010 at 5:15 pm Reply
  15. Dental Floss

    I’m sorry, but since when did 583+548=1700?

    December 4, 2010 at 6:03 pm Reply
    1. batphone

      The topic states 1700 ships killed.

      I lost 3 ships. Most people lost 2 or 3 also. Easy to make 1700 kills out of 700 man fight that way.

      December 4, 2010 at 6:23 pm Reply
  16. good article


    December 4, 2010 at 6:37 pm Reply
  17. hussy

    best fight in a long long time, Props to everyone who took part.

    Special Thanks to CCP for making it manageable

    December 4, 2010 at 7:02 pm Reply
  18. Therefore Questo is not Stain Empire member…

    December 6, 2010 at 8:15 am Reply

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